Council of Jerusalem

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Why does the lastest This Rock magazine, in the question and answer section, say that the Council of Jerusalem didn’t define any doctrine, but merely set down principles?? Acts 15:19 is clear that the Council decided that one can be saved without being circumcised (see Acts 15 verse 1)
 
interesting note: why in Acts 15:13 does James mention Peter’s comments but not those of Barnabas and Paul which everyone had just heard (verse 12 right before)? Papal primacy!
 
interesting note: why in Acts 15:13 does James mention Peter’s comments but not those of Barnabas and Paul which everyone had just heard (verse 12 right before)? Papal primacy!
How does that say Papal Primacy? St. James mentioned St. Peter because of his witness. St. Paul didn’t bring a witness of Divine Revelation.
 
Why does the lastest This Rock magazine, in the question and answer section, say that the Council of Jerusalem didn’t define any doctrine, but merely set down principles?? Acts 15:19 is clear that the Council decided that one can be saved without being circumcised (see Acts 15 verse 1)
Because it was not a “new” doctrine – the disciples already believed and were teaching that salvation came “through the grace of Jesus Christ”.

Because of God’s revelation to Peter, and Peter’s subsequent experience with the gentile Cornelius (Acts 10), the apostles already knew that circumcision was not required for gentiles to be saved; gentiles were already being baptized without having to be circumcized - either before or after Baptism. This was the existing teaching and practice. However, just like today, there were dissenters who started teaching contrary to Church teaching.

*Acts 15:5-12 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up, and said, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to charge them to keep the law of Moses.” …Peter…said…"Brethren, you know that in the early days … And God…made no distinction between us and them, but cleansed their hearts by faith. … But we believe that we shall be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will. * (“we believe that we shall be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will” is doctrinal – but it was a doctrine that already existed. It was not “new”.)

The “principles” set down by the council are contained in Acts 5:20 - abstention “from the polutions of idols and from unchastity and from what is strangled and from blood”.
 
Well, I guess this comes down to the question of when the Apostles were infallible. Acts 15:6 shows us that that the Apostles needed to get issue poised in verse 1 settled, at least in their own minds. The fact that Peter Barnabas and Paul all had to present arguments for the Christian doctrines shows that they were clarifying this matter. The Christians did not have disciplinary rule commanding the practice of the Mosiac law, but at the Council considered it. The “party of the Pharisees” mentioned in verse 5 certainly did NOT believe that they should impose the mosiac law as a discipline, but that it was still the Law of God. Although the “apostles and elders” already had a grip on the truth of this issue, verse 6 clearly tells us that the Council was called to consider the question. Verse 24 shows that the Council’s decree was sent to those who were being troubled by the “party of the Pharisees”, who told them, not that they were violating a non-existent decree of the new Christians, but the old Law of Moses, which they thought was still in place. The mention of the Holy Chost in verse 28 indicates that this issue was now settled dogmatically.

St. James may have pointed to the earlier testimony of Peter alone, instead of along with that of the other two apostles who had just spoken, because it relates how right from the beginning of the Church the Gentiles received the Holy Ghost without the “law” (which definitely was understood as a “necessity of means” for salvation, as opposed to a “necessity of precept”, as the arguments of the Apostles at the Council proves). So in that regard the This Rock response was correct: its merely one example among many of the prominence of Peter. This was brought to light even further for me, however, when I found out why James may have had such a central part to play at this first Council:

“The chair of James, who first received the episcopate of the church at Jerusalem from the Saviour Himself,…” Eusebius, Church History, 7, 19,
 
This discussion and reading on Acts 15 have brought a few more points to mind for me. Acts 15:6-7 shows that it was very hard for early Christians to give up the Mosiac Law as a saving obligation; verse 6 indicates that even some of the apostles were attached to this Law like that. Peter’s speech shows that they were wrong, even that they knew the truth since Pentecast but hadn’t fully processed it.

Anyway, coincidently (or was it?) yesterday when I was thinking about all this, I also happened to be wondering about the teaching of Trent that one cannot know the state of his soul without special revelation from God. This troubled me. However, Acts 15:8-12 proves that Trent did not mean that an actual apparition or the like was necessary. The apostles, through a spiritual sense, could tell that supernatural grace was in the Gentiles. Could not such a spiritual sense be applied oneself?
 
Well, I guess this comes down to the question of when the Apostles were infallible. Acts 15:6 shows us that that the Apostles needed to get issue poised in verse 1 settled, at least in their own minds. The fact that Peter Barnabas and Paul all had to present arguments for the Christian doctrines shows that they were clarifying this matter. The Christians did not have disciplinary rule commanding the practice of the Mosiac law, but at the Council considered it. The “party of the Pharisees” mentioned in verse 5 certainly did NOT believe that they should impose the mosiac law as a discipline, but that it was still the Law of God. Although the “apostles and elders” already had a grip on the truth of this issue, verse 6 clearly tells us that the Council was called to consider the question. Verse 24 shows that the Council’s decree was sent to those who were being troubled by the “party of the Pharisees”, who told them, not that they were violating a non-existent decree of the new Christians, but the old Law of Moses, which they thought was still in place. The mention of the Holy Chost in verse 28 indicates that this issue was now settled dogmatically.
Remember that this was about Gentile converts, and not all Christians. Jewish converts were still expected to follow Judaic traditions including the law of Moses. They never abolished that, at least at the time of this Council.
St. James may have pointed to the earlier testimony of Peter alone, instead of along with that of the other two apostles who had just spoken, because it relates how right from the beginning of the Church the Gentiles received the Holy Ghost without the “law” (which definitely was understood as a “necessity of means” for salvation, as opposed to a “necessity of precept”, as the arguments of the Apostles at the Council proves). So in that regard the This Rock response was correct: its merely one example among many of the prominence of Peter. This was brought to light even further for me, however, when I found out why James may have had such a central part to play at this first Council:

“The chair of James, who first received the episcopate of the church at Jerusalem from the Saviour Himself,…” Eusebius, Church History, 7, 19,
Definitely it was James who was the presider of the council and ultimately the one who gave out the decision. But a council is a council and it was something that the members of the council needed to discuss and agree on. As presider of the council, it was upon James to make the declaration of the conciliar decision.
 
James seemed to have a special place at the Council because it was held at his local church, and perhaps those who opposed Peter’s viewpoint held James’s opinion in very high regard. That is all that can be proved about James’s position I think. Acts 15:23 is clear that this was a collegial act
 
James seemed to have a special place at the Council because it was held at his local church, and perhaps those who opposed Peter’s viewpoint held James’s opinion in very high regard. That is all that can be proved about James’s position I think. Acts 15:23 is clear that this was a collegial act
He was the chief elder of the Church in Jerusalem (ie. the bishop) and thus he presides the council.
 
I remember Robert Sungenis and Mark Shea (and Art Sippo?) having disagreements over whether it is possible that the Jews still need to follow the Mosiac Law as a “necessity of precept” (not means)
 
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Cantate Domino, 1441: “The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and teaches that the matter pertaining to the law of the Old Testament, of the Mosaic Law, which are divided into ceremonies, sacred rites, sacrifices, and sacraments, because they were established to signify something in the future, although they were suited to divine worship at that time, after our Lord’s coming had been signified by them, ceased, and the sacraments of the New Testament began; and that whoever, even after the passion, placed hope in these matters of the law and submitted himself to them as necessary for salvation, as if faith in Christ could not save without them, sinned mortally. Yet it does not deny that after the passion of Christ up to the promulgation of the Gospel they could have been observed until they were believed to be in no way necessary for salvation; but after the promulgation of the Gospel it asserts that they cannot be observed without the loss of eternal salvation. All, therefore, who after that time (the promulgation of the Gospel) observe circumcision and the Sabbath and the other requirements of the law, it declares alien to the Christian faith and not in the least fit to participate in eternal salvation, unless someday they recover from these errors.”

We need to see how to understand this in view of Acts 2 and 15, and the distinction between a “necessity (to be saved) of means” and a “necessity of precept or obligations”…
 
EX QUO (On the Euchologion) an encyclical of Pope Benedict XIV promulgated on 1 March 1756 bears on this question. I don’t have time right now to read it or try to flesh this whole issue out, but a Catholic on another forum quoted the this encyclical as follows “The first consideration is that the ceremonies of the Mosaic Law were abrogated by the coming of Christ and that they can no longer be observed without sin after the promulgation of the Gospel.” Yet I remember reading Benedict XIV’s encyclical also say that not all the rituals of the Mosiac law are forbidden for CHristian Jews. Forbidden by doctrine or disciple? Not sure right now… The assumption of the part of the encyclical quoted here seems to be part of the language of the day: that is, the assumption is that the laws are being observed through a culpable rejection of Faith in Christ (Ex Quo is a good example against bad interpreters like the Dimond brothers in this regard)
 
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