Did you mean Catholics? My experience is that it is Catholics who claim that the canon was settled in in the early councils.Every once in a while I hear from** Non-Catholics claiming the bible canon was decided at the council of Nicaea.** For the record I would like to say that was not the reason why the council was convened nor is there evidence about this particular council dealing with the bible canon. I would like to ask whoever believes this council dealt with the bible canon to please present their references/evidence.
Maybe they meant Nicea II:Every once in a while I hear from Non-Catholics claiming the bible canon was decided at the council of Nicaea. For the record I would like to say that was not the reason why the council was convened nor is there evidence about this particular council dealing with the bible canon. I would like to ask whoever believes this council dealt with the bible canon to please present their references/evidence.
Well, Jon…with the East also accepting the Hippo and Carthage…Now, this was modified somewhat when, at both the Byzantine Council of Trullo (692) and the Ecumenical Council of Nicaea II (787), both the church of Constantinople and the church of Antioch (along with Rome and Alexandria) recognized the binding canons of the Council of Carthage (397). (catholicbridge.com/catholic/orthodox/why_orthodox_bible_is_different_from_catholic.php)…would…would) you still refer to the earlier councils as regional? or the Canon unsettled?Did you mean Catholics? My experience is that it is Catholics who claim that the canon was settled in in the early councils.
Jon
Hi Pablope,Well, Jon…with the East also accepting the Hippo and Carthage…Now, this was modified somewhat when, at both the Byzantine Council of Trullo (692) and the Ecumenical Council of Nicaea II (787), both the church of Constantinople and the church of Antioch (along with Rome and Alexandria) recognized the binding canons of the Council of Carthage (397). (catholicbridge.com/catholic/orthodox/why_orthodox_bible_is_different_from_catholic.php)…would…would) you still refer to the earlier councils as regional? or the Canon unsettled?
Here is the corrected link: catholicbridge.com/catholic/orthodox/why_orthodox_bible_is_different_from_catholic.phpHi Pablope,
The link didn’t work for me.
It is my understanding that they accept them as regional synods, which differ in authority from ecumenical councils. I don’t know if all the Orthodox follow a canon with more than 73 books. Among those who do, they probably take Hippo and Carthage as evidence for the 73 books that Catholics and Orthodox agree upon, and look to other evidence to prove the canonicity of books beyond those 73.Do the Eastern Orthodox accept Hippo and Carthage? If they do, I would expect to see a pared-down Orthodox canon.
Neither Hippo nor Carthage are regarded by anybody as ecumenical. However, a case can be made that the Council of Carthage in 419 A.D. had its Canon confirmed with infallible authority by an ecumenical council agreed to by both the Catholic and the Orthodox. This position is defended in the link I provided you with above. If I understand their argument correctly, it can be presented in a logical syllogism like this:Otherwise, I certainly would not consider either as ecumenical, and my view of the canon is that it is far more settled than unsettled.
One piece of evidence that I am aware of is a comment made by St. Jerome in his Prologue to Judith. There, he writes, among other things, “[T]he Nicene Council is considered to have counted this book among the number of sacred Scriptures.” At one time, I thought I had tracked down a translation of the surviving canons and decrees of the Council of Nicea, or maybe it was just a blog post where somebody thought they had found something interesting in one of the more common translations. Anyway, I thought in one instance this particular translation demonstrated that the Council of Nicea, in one part of it, had quoted from Judith. If that is true, perhaps that is what St. Jerome was referring to. But I now think I was mistaken, because after a few hours of searching I haven’t been able to locate any evidence of such a quotation.Every once in a while I hear from Non-Catholics claiming the bible canon was decided at the council of Nicaea. For the record I would like to say that was not the reason why the council was convened nor is there evidence about this particular council dealing with the bible canon. I would like to ask whoever believes this council dealt with the bible canon to please present their references/evidence.
“The early councils,” yes, but not the Council of Nicea. I’ve never heard Catholics argue that the First Ecumenical Council took up the question of the Canon, but I have heard anti-Catholic Dan Brown followers say so. It is my understanding that Dan Brown’s book, “The Da Vinci Code,” claims that the Council of Nicea voted on the Canon in order to exclude the Gnostic gospels.Did you mean Catholics? My experience is that it is Catholics who claim that the canon was settled in in the early councils.
Jon
Jimmy Akin seems to take a neutral position on this.One piece of evidence that I am aware of is a comment made by St. Jerome in his Prologue to Judith. There, he writes, among other things, “[T]he Nicene Council is considered to have counted this book among the number of sacred Scriptures.” At one time, I thought I had tracked down a translation of the surviving canons and decrees of the Council of Nicea, or maybe it was just a blog post where somebody thought they had found something interesting in one of the more common translations. Anyway, I thought in one instance this particular translation demonstrated that the Council of Nicea, in one part of it, had quoted from Judith. If that is true, perhaps that is what St. Jerome was referring to. But I now think I was mistaken, because after a few hours of searching I haven’t been able to locate any evidence of such a quotation.
Hi Pablope,
The link didn’t work for me. Do the Eastern Orthodox accept Hippo and Carthage?