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In regards to the Ecumenical Councils, are the Eastern Catholic Churches required to accept the same number as the Latin Church?

I’ve heard it said that some Eastern Catholic Churches only accept 7, as the Eastern Orthodox do. Is this true? If so, how does this work exactly?
Does this then mean that the Armenian Catholic Church only accepts 3 (as the Armenian Apostolic Orthodox Church) and the Chaldean Catholic Church only accepts 2 (as the Assyrian Church of the East)?

This has probably been asked before but the answer didn’t appear anywhere I could find so sorry for asking again.

Thank you and look forward to hearing informed replies.
 
Could you provide a link to exactly where it says that please? You’re refering to the Melkites there right aren’t you?
 
Blind_Didymus said:
In regards to the Ecumenical Councils, are the Eastern Catholic Churches required to accept the same number as the Latin Church?

I’ve heard it said that some Eastern Catholic Churches only accept 7, as the Eastern Orthodox do. Is this true? If so, how does this work exactly?
Does this then mean that the Armenian Catholic Church only accepts 3 (as the Armenian Apostolic Orthodox Church) and the Chaldean Catholic Church only accepts 2 (as the Assyrian Church of the East)?

This has probably been asked before but the answer didn’t appear anywhere I could find so sorry for asking again.

Thank you and look forward to hearing informed replies.
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All the ecumenical councils are binding on the whole Catholic Church.
 
Paleocon said:
All the ecumenical councils are binding on the whole Catholic Church.
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Thanks for your note but in that case there are only 2 seeing none of the later ones have ever been accepted ecumenically by the Church catholic.
 
Seraphim73 said:
8. How many Ecumenical Councils were held?
A. Seven Ecumenical Councils

9. Was the Vatican council an ecumenical council? Why?, why not?
A. The Vatican council was not an ecumenical council – no participation from the Orthodox

melkite.org/faith/religious-education/melkite-challenge-2005-set-2
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Thank you 🙂 This answers the first part of my question and that link answers many other things also.

Now, the rest of the question which remains to be answered is as follows:

Does this then mean that the Armenian Catholic Church only accepts 3 (as the Armenian Apostolic Orthodox Church) and the Chaldean Catholic Church only accepts 2 (as the Assyrian Church of the East)?

Thank you again for informed answers.
 
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Blind_Didymus said:
In regards to the Ecumenical Councils, are the Eastern Catholic Churches required to accept the same number as the Latin Church?
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No.
Blind_Didymus said:
I’ve heard it said that some Eastern Catholic Churches only accept 7, as the Eastern Orthodox do. Is this true?
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Yes, but only a fraction of ECs.
Blind_Didymus said:
If so, how does this work exactly?
Does this then mean that the Armenian Catholic Church only accepts 3 (as the Armenian Apostolic Orthodox Church) and the Chaldean Catholic Church only accepts 2 (as the Assyrian Church of the East)?
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It’s a possibility, but it doesn’t seem to happen in practice.
 
Actually, Ecumenical Council means that … many denominations of Christians participate… Otherwise, its just a Council…

Am i wrong?
 
Yago said:
Actually, Ecumenical Council means that … many denominations of Christians participate… Otherwise, its just a Council…

Am i wrong?
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Ecumenical, for this purpose, means that all the various Churches, parts of the one universal Church which God established, are called from all over the world, with their bishops representing. Nothing to do with denominations unless by that we mean the names of the locations-cities, nations, etc, that the Church is located in.
 
Okay. Well, considering that (at least according to Wikipedia) the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church venerates Mar Nestorius, this would seem to indicate that they don’t accept the Council of Ephesus.
Is anybody able to confirm or deny whether or not this is the case please?
 
fhansen said:
Ecumenical, for this purpose, means that all the** various Churches**, parts of the one universal Church which God established, are called from all over the world, with their bishops representing. Nothing to do with denominations unless by that we mean the names of the locations-cities, nations, etc, that the Church is located in.
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you mean sui iuris churches?
 
Blind_Didymus said:
Okay. Well, considering that (at least according to Wikipedia) the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church venerates Mar Nestorius, this would seem to indicate that they don’t accept the Council of Ephesus.
Is anybody able to confirm or deny whether or not this is the case please?
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I’ve never heard of that, i am SyroMalabar myself.
 
Yago said:
you mean sui iuris churches?
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That understanding would be correct, however it could well be understood to mean more than that as well. It means all of the apostolic churches, which should include the Eastern Orthodox, the Oriental Orthodox and the Church of the East as well.

Thank you also for your (name removed by moderator)ut as a SyroMalabar Catholic. You seem like a faithful person who loves Christ and your Christian brethren, however you appear to not know a lot about the complexities of the doctrines and history of the Church. As your Church was oppressed by the Portugese for quite a long time, it may be true that your Church has been forced to accept all that the Latin Church holds. But historically this has not been the case and multiple Popes have directed that your Church return to its historical roots, which would include the East Syriac tradition rather than the Latin tradition. But these are not matters you need to worry about if you are not interested in such things.

Is anyone else able to provide an answer with a reference please?
 
Eastern Catholic may see some Latin Councils as non-Ecumenical, but still worthy of respect and as a proper General Council. For example, I accept the 3 Ecumenical Councils the Oriental Orthodox consider Ecumenical, but still accept the 7 Councils accepted by the EO/Byzantine Churches as proper and authoritative, as well as the 21 referenced by most Latin theologians. These don’t necessarily contradict but may not apply to the OO Churches or their OC counterparts.
 
Blind_Didymus said:
Thank you also for your (name removed by moderator)ut as a SyroMalabar Catholic.
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You’re welcome.
You seem like a faithful person who loves Christ and your Christian brethren
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,Thanks for the compliments.
however you appear to not know a lot about the complexities of the doctrines and history of the Church.
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I consider myself knowledgeable on Church history. As for complexities of doctrines, it varies- there are many doctrines; but i believe in all of them.
As your Church was oppressed by the Portuguese for quite a long time, it may be true that your Church has been forced to accept all that the Latin Church holds. But historically this has not been the case and multiple Popes have directed that your Church return to its historical roots, which would include the East Syriac tradition rather than the Latin tradition.
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You see, 100% latinisation did not take place. Thomas48 might explain it better.

We have preserved our customs and traditions. We have a separate list of Doctors of the Church. We have distinctive liturgical vestments.

We use the East Syriac Rite.
If you want to know more about the SyroMalabar church divisions, vestments and qurbana, click here.

And what i am saying is-
take the council of constance. it ended the western schism. how does that affect the EC?
 
SyroMalankara said:
Eastern Catholic may see some Latin Councils as non-Ecumenical, but still worthy of respect and as a proper General Council. For example, I accept the 3 Ecumenical Councils the Oriental Orthodox consider Ecumenical, but still accept the 7 Councils accepted by the EO/Byzantine Churches as proper and authoritative, as well as the 21 referenced by most Latin theologians. These don’t necessarily contradict but may not apply to the OO Churches or their OC counterparts.
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I think I understand what you mean yet would it please be alright to ask you to clarify?

You said that you accept 3 Ecumenical Councils as the Oriental Orthodox (which makes sense seeing the Syro-Malankara Catholic Church is of the West Syriac tradition). Does this mean you venerate St Dioscorus of Alexandria and St Severus of Antioch?
If so, how do you reconcile the fact that the Council of Chalcedon deposed St Dioscorus and later councils condemned him along with St Severus, while still accepting those later councils as “proper and authoritative” (to borrow your words)?

Both the Oriental Orthodox and the Assyrian Church of the East are of the view that the Council of Chalcedon contradicted the Council of Ephesus. (This is one of the few things the pair seem to agree on.) If you hold to a miaphysic christological position, how do you reconcile this with the Council of Chalcedon and later councils?

Thank you for your (name removed by moderator)ut also 🙂
 
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