Couple to form their "own church" ?

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A friend has informed me that a mutual acquaintance and her husband plan to form their own church. This is in response to a change in the leadership of their non-denominational church wherein the pastor is hiring a man who has been divorced and remarried as co-pastor.

They base this decision on Jesus’ admonishment against divorce in the Gospel, as well as something in the New Testament about a bishop only being married once.

My concern for them is the responsibility of taking on for themselves a position of authority, thereby making themselves responsible for the souls in their congregation.
  1. Where does the authority over their prospective congregants come from?
  2. How do they think they will be able to escape the same pitfalls as their current pastor?
If I were they, I would be scared to death to take on such a weighty task. They seem to be very comfortable with this, however, they are still discerning the move.

Those of you who come from this faith tradition, can you answer the above questions, and, can you comment on whether you think they are on dangerous ground?
 
Welcome to Protestantism. That’s the whole idea: anyone can start a church and the answer to problems is usually to leave. That’s my take anyway.
They probably think their dissatisfaction is a sign from God that He may be calling them to do this and therefore giving them authority to run their church. As to avoiding the same pitfalls, they will be praying and studying their Bibles, I assume, in search of ways to avoid it. Eventually their congregation will split in turn over something.
 
Those of you who come from this faith tradition, can you answer the above questions, and, can you comment on whether you think they are on dangerous ground?
Yes, they are on dangerous ground. they need to find a cover church ASAP. Even a lose cover organization like Vineyard Churches is better than nothing at all.
  1. Where does the authority over their prospective congregants come from?
It comes from God, but you are 100% correct that they are responsible for those who follow them . That is a huge responsibility and they need to take it very very seriously.
  1. How do they think they will be able to escape the same pitfalls as their current pastor?
Ask them. How could anyone on this forum know what they are thinking??
 
This is the tragedy of Protestantism and it happens all too frequently. I have personally witnessed this many times.
Kind of knocks the wind out of Jesus’ prayer for the unity of His Church in John 17. Then again, maybe it just affirms St. Paul’s warning against factions . . .
 
Who cares? They can play “Bible Church” all day long, but the Kool-Aid is still Kool-Aid.
 
A friend has informed me … to form their own church.
Hi

Yet, another church/denomination has been formed to add to the confusion, 32000plus denominations.

Please work for One United Christedum, for humanity’s sake.

Meanwhile I pray.

Thanks
 
years ago I was invited by a former college classmate turned “financial advistor” to attend a tax shelter seminar. the shelter in question turned out to be a way to get a mail order (now internet I imagine) ordination and form your own religion, with yourself as its principal minister. The burden of the presentation was the tax advantages involved–your home, car and all assets are owned by the religious body and therefore you incur no liability or personal expense for same, and the expenses are counted against any (tax-free) income generated by your “ministry” which can comprise any activity the doctrines of your self-styled religion dictate.
 
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Please work for One United Christedum, for humanity’s sake.
You speak as if we haven’t been working to bring the separated back into the truth.
Hi

No, I know that people have been working on it, yet there is no result, if at all it is very slow. I only want that such efforts should be geared up. I see still more denominations being formed adding to the already divided Christianity into 32000plus denominations. This is no good by any standards.

One of our friends here perceived that unity is a precondition for descent of Jesus in second coming, so the delay in forming unity tantamount to wilful delay in his descent as per the Christian faith.

I think it is not a good phenomenon.

Thanks
 
Oh, honey, house churches are all the rage. It’s the next step past “nondenominational” churches. The inherent anti-Church perspective of Protestantism became the inherent anti-church perspective of nondenominationalism became the inherent anti-church perspective of house churches.

These people aren’t necessarily going to be “pastors” in charge, per se. They will group with other “seekers” and be exploring and discerning together. If the potluck and the music are good and there’s some magnetic personality exuding charisma, they might get a following going…until the inevitable human conflicts and disagreements come up yet again…and the split happens and part of the group breaks off into their own house church…

Hey, ordination for tax breaks. Would it be considered a sin? After all, if I render less to Caesar, I could render more to God. heh heh heh
 
Ah, now it’s become clearer. The tax break and the latest fad of a home church. That would fit in with these people. This area of the country (the midwest) seems to have its share of the nondenominational type church.

Many people in the rural areas are a hodge-podge of different beliefs without a specific church. They seem to think that they’re going to heaven simply because they acknowledged Jesus once or twice
 
It’s sad and funny at the same time. Catholic priests go through intense study and formation before they become ordained, sometimes the time they have spent in the study of theology would be equivalent to more than a brain surgeon and a lawyer put together, and Jesuits go even longer.

Then we have people who believe all they need is a bible and a desire and it is just as good as spending the time in study. I think I would rather have a doctor who went to medical school then one who got his degree online.

I’m reminded of an episode of the Simpsons. Homer signed up to become a minister. He went to the website to fill out the application. The site asked him for his first name. After he punched it in, he hit enter and his printer printed out a paper collar and the screen flashed “congratulations you are an ordained minister”. Funny, but closer and closer to the truth these days.😦
 
I remember sitting in a Wesleyan Sunday School class having just been glared down by the “elder”, who was “teaching” on salvation, for questioning him. He was merely an old guy who gave a lot of money to the church and that was what qualified him to sit in authority over us, (an adult class).

We endured more stories about his trips to Kentucky with his Bluegrass band, and what a wonderful guy he was than any type of theology. The class subject was on whatever he wanted to talk about on that day.

I remember thinking to myself, why am I putting my immortal soul into the hands of this pompous person? I suddenly had a strong desire to be sitting in a class being given the teachings of the apostles by ordained men commisioned as their successors to give me information I knew was correct. My Catholic Faith returned to me in a fraction of a second.

Since then I’ve never been able to tolerate Protestants teaching authoritatively to myself nor anyone else. To me it’s the height of arrogance and hypocrisy to imply that anyone not explicitly commisioned by the Church and giving Magisterial teaching knows what on earth they are talking about. I know that makes me intolerant, but I can’t help it.
 
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as well as something in the New Testament about a bishop only being married once.
1 Timothy 3:2, 1 Timothy 3: 12, and Titus 1:6 are the standard verses to support that doctrine. (I don’t have my e-Sword resources installed, otherwise I could cite the verses from the Torah, Writings, Prophets, Gospels, and Non-Paulian Epistles, and Revelation that support that doctrine.)
My concern for them is the responsibility of taking on for themselves a position of authority, thereby making themselves responsible for the souls in their congregation.
Not an issue. The reason why depends upon if one is Arminian, Calvinist, both, or neither.
  1. Where does the authority over their prospective congregants come from?
This looks to me like yet another example of a “home church”. One of the elements of “home churches” is that there is no distinction between laity and clergy. In theory, nobody claims authority over anybody else. (I don’t have the scriptural support for that memorized. It is somewhere in my working notes.)

OTOH, this could be a church splitting into two, or more parts. The divorcee may be the victim of a church seething in turmoil, that has decided to use him as the focal point, rather than the real issues that everybody is upset about. If this is the case, then expect to see ordained clergy at the same time as the church rents a place to meet at.

If, by “authority”, your concern is with “Apostolic Succession”, that concept isn’t part of Protestant theology.

The only authority clergy have, is that which is granted by a specific individual, to a specific member of the clergy. That usually doesn’t go much further than making sure the sermon is short, to the point, and “comfortable”.
  1. How do they think they will be able to escape the same pitfalls as their current pastor?
If there is really only one issue, that being the divorcee, then it is easy to escape. If more is involved, then how they intend to avoid that pitfall depends upon a number of other factors.
they are still discerning the move.
To me, this implies that there is a lot more than a divorcee being hired. That being the case, the economics of starting and running a new church are being worked out.
can you comment on whether you think they are on dangerous ground?
Starting a new church is not easy. The biggest hurdle are:
  • Money. Some churches never cross this hurdle.
  • Leadership: Who runs the church?
  • New members: Where do they come from?
  • Where to meet: Private home, rented storefront, share a church, other;
  • How to meet: Type of service. Frequency of services,etc;
  • Affiliation with other churches;
How difficult it will be for them to run a new church depends upon the experience that they have had in running churches. And their ability to adapt to a different set of circumstances.

Theologically, I can’t say.
Is it better to stay in a church whose leadership obviously condones that which is unscriptural, or to stay and try to persuade them to change their ways, or wait until the church kicks you out for raising unpleasant issues?
 
For information on home churches, house churches, house fellowships, etc
religioustolerance.org/chr_hous.htm

The intent is usually to return to what the participants see as the original model of the early Church before it became institutionalized and bureaucratic rather than to seek a tax shelter. Just because a group calls itself a church does not make it automatically eligible for either state or federal tax exemption.
 
Welcome to Protestantism; disintegrating and fragmenting 24 hours a day, seven days a week… this is what happens when you discard God’s Church to make your own (i.e., Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Knox, Menno…) Protestantism was never united. It’s spirit is the spirit of disunity and chaos.
 
A friend has informed me that a mutual acquaintance and her husband plan to form their own church.
I would ask the couple to show me the Book, Chapter, and Verse which says they can do this.
 
James 3:1 states: “Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, for you know that we who teach shall be judged with greater strictness”.

They will most certainly be teachers. And they will have to conduct themselves as examples, being leaders. Scary stuff, to me.
 
A friend has informed me that a mutual acquaintance and her husband plan to form their own church. This is in response to a change in the leadership of their non-denominational church wherein the pastor is hiring a man who has been divorced and remarried as co-pastor.

They base this decision on Jesus’ admonishment against divorce in the Gospel, as well as something in the New Testament about a bishop only being married once.

My concern for them is the responsibility of taking on for themselves a position of authority, thereby making themselves responsible for the souls in their congregation.
  1. Where does the authority over their prospective congregants come from?
  2. How do they think they will be able to escape the same pitfalls as their current pastor?
If I were they, I would be scared to death to take on such a weighty task. They seem to be very comfortable with this, however, they are still discerning the move.

Those of you who come from this faith tradition, can you answer the above questions, and, can you comment on whether you think they are on dangerous ground?
I am not sure their is such thing as a faith tradition as it relates to nondenominational churches.
I am also not sure they will see themselves as “over”. Having been to several house churches, including mine which started as such, I have seen the Holy Spirit convict those enslaved to sin and free them of their hold on them.
I wish them luck. I am not sure what exact pitfall you speak of.
 
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