Court Ordered Civil Priests & Priestesses?

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Is there any precedence or examples in history where a judge or court appointed civil priests?

Just as the courts have allowed absurd homosexual civil unions, what would happen if the courts allowed a civil priesthood capable of performing civil unions, civil baptisms, civil benedictions, and ran civil churches?

What would happen if federal judges gave court orders for civil priests and priestesses?
 
James Cody:
Is there any precedence or examples in history where a judge or court appointed civil priests?

Just as the courts have allowed absurd homosexual civil unions, what would happen if the courts allowed a civil priesthood capable of performing civil unions, civil baptisms, civil benedictions, and ran civil churches?

What would happen if federal judges gave court orders for civil priests and priestesses?
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Can not happen.

Specifically the First Amendment of the Constitution prohibits the State from doing this.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
 
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ByzCath:
Can not happen.

Specifically the First Amendment of the Constitution prohibits the State from doing this.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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Excuse me, but judicial activists do not shirk at violating the separation of powers act implicit within the U.S. Constitution, examples are forced busing, minority quotas, affirmative action, and now homosexual civil unions. Judicial activists are not shy at threatening congress or congressmen, the senate or senators. There are many more examples of judicial activists violating the constitution which I don’t have immediate examples at my fingertips.

That is why I ask this question: What would happen if a Federal Judge , Surpreme Judicial Court, or a state judicial court ordained a civil priest or priestess through a court order?
 
It would be appealed and overturned. There will never be a “civil religion” without the complete repudiation of the Constitution. Such a thing is equally offensive to sincere American athiests and theists alike.
 
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patrickmichael:
It would be appealed and overturned. There will never be a “civil religion” without the complete repudiation of the Constitution. Such a thing is equally offensive to sincere American athiests and theists alike.
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And since when has offensive behaviour ever stopped judicial activists from offending anyone before?
 
James Cody:
Excuse me, but judicial activists do not shirk at violating the separation of powers act implicit within the U.S. Constitution, examples are forced busing, minority quotas, affirmative action…
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Yeah, you’ve got to hate it when the court makes sure the oppressed have an equal opportunity. Though they are now becoming less necessary, when they were passed they were much needed.
 
James Cody:
And since when has offensive behaviour ever stopped judicial activists from offending anyone before?
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The judicial activists are irrelevent. The subject at hand is the subject of one of the founding principles of the nation (one of the few zealously upheld by the moral majority and minority alike). It would not go unnoticed, it would not be tolerated. The Constitution is definitively clear on the point.

For civil priests and the like to become a permanent institution would mean the destruction of the American state as we know it, with God knows what in its place. I don’t think we are at that point yet, and if we are, then the new world civil religion is the least of my worries. The concentration camps will be worse.
 
James Cody:
Is there any precedence or examples in history where a judge or court appointed civil priests?

Just as the courts have allowed absurd homosexual civil unions, what would happen if the courts allowed a civil priesthood capable of performing civil unions, civil baptisms, civil benedictions, and ran civil churches?

What would happen if federal judges gave court orders for civil priests and priestesses?
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The only country that may do it is China
 
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wabrams:
Yeah, you’ve got to hate it when the court makes sure the oppressed have an equal opportunity. Though they are now becoming less necessary, when they were passed they were much needed.
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It has been accepted for decades here in Massachusetts that the courts create victims, victims of forced busing, victims of affirmative action, victims of minority quotas. And so called ‘white flight’ is just one result of oppressive judicial activism.
 
ROBERT CARRUCAN:
The only country that may do it is China
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How? In what capacity? What kind of civil priests are produced in communist china?

My guess was in ancient Rome. If U.S. courts began to experiement with court ordered civil Priests, that would just make the USA the new Rome! A nation of soldiers, engineers, lawyers, and pagans.
 
If I’m not mistaken, there is a state sanctioned church in China (illicit but valid???) plus a valid underground church.

In times past, it was fairly common in Europe for royalty to have a great deal of influence over the appointment of bishops.

In the U. S., before we see court appointed priests, we will, unfortunately, probably see all religion banned by the courts. Of course, exceptions would probably be made for Muslims, Hindus, etc.
 
James Cody:
That is why I ask this question: What would happen if a Federal Judge , Surpreme Judicial Court, or a state judicial court ordained a civil priest or priestess through a court order?
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I think they will come disguised as anything but agents of the “government religion.” I absolutely agree that the mentality is there on the part of many in and out of government, but I think even they would use stealth methods to hide what they really are, because of the obvious Constitutional collision.

In a way, we already have this. Judges and other officials already have the legal power to perform civil unions, such as our first marriage before it was blessed in the Church.

Actually, I could be one of those people. As a tax preparer, if I file a joint tax return for you, then you are married and you must get an actual divorce or separate to file single again. During training this year I asked, specifically, if I could now file a joint return for a homosexual couple. The teacher said no, because the federal government does not recognize gay marriage, at least not for tax purposes – yet.

Alan
 
James Cody:
Excuse me, but judicial activists do not shirk at violating the separation of powers act implicit within the U.S. Constitution, examples are forced busing, minority quotas, affirmative action, and now homosexual civil unions. Judicial activists are not shy at threatening congress or congressmen, the senate or senators. There are many more examples of judicial activists violating the constitution which I don’t have immediate examples at my fingertips.

That is why I ask this question: What would happen if a Federal Judge , Surpreme Judicial Court, or a state judicial court ordained a civil priest or priestess through a court order?
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a civil judg cannot ordain unless he also is a bishop. unless the eeuu creates its own religion and gets a bishop to go along with it ala henryviii. ha ha.
all constitutional rights are being. violated the right to bear arms. there is/was a very valid constitional reason for this. if the jpeople can’t bear arms, the government then has free reign to become fascist or a dictatorship. and the people are helpless.
jerry springer for president!!! i think i like pogo better

in addition, freedom of worship is to protect the people from the government, not vice versa

all the rights are of and for the jpeople…
 
James Cody:
Is there any precedence or examples in history where a judge or court appointed civil priests?

Just as the courts have allowed absurd homosexual civil unions, what would happen if the courts allowed a civil priesthood capable of performing civil unions, civil baptisms, civil benedictions, and ran civil churches?

What would happen if federal judges gave court orders for civil priests and priestesses?
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Why would they. Most of the current judiciary thinks they are divinely appointed already. Civil priests would be competition.
 
I’d be more concnered with re-education camps for those of us who do not embrace “progressive” thought. It’s coming, I can see it on the horizon.
 
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jjwilkman:
a civil judg cannot ordain unless he also is a bishop. unless the eeuu creates its own religion and gets a bishop to go along with it ala henryviii. ha ha.
all constitutional rights are being. violated the right to bear arms. there is/was a very valid constitional reason for this. if the jpeople can’t bear arms, the government then has free reign to become fascist or a dictatorship. and the people are helpless.
jerry springer for president!!! i think i like pogo better

in addition, freedom of worship is to protect the people from the government, not vice versa

all the rights are of and for the jpeople…
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If you take the guns away from the people, then only the government will have guns! Very scary!
 
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AlanFromWichita:
I think they will come disguised as anything but agents of the “government religion.” I absolutely agree that the mentality is there on the part of many in and out of government, but I think even they would use stealth methods to hide what they really are, because of the obvious Constitutional collision.
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I already kinda feel like the Free Masons are already a secular man’s religion, with their belief in the great architect and all; plus their hierarchy is empirically based on the almighty dollar, and Mason rank is based on social standing (bankers, professionals, politicians, etc.).

Already I think there are certain Protestant sects which all you have to do is remove the theology and Free Masonry is the remainder, they are so pragmatic in their practice. Another reason to emphasize a celibate Priesthood, it stifles secularism.
 
See things like this is what the 2nd ammendment is for. The government tries to tell me what my faith is and the fire arms start to be cleaned and loaded. I would die before I let this government tell me what my faith is.
 
James Cody said:
That is why I ask this question: What would happen if a Federal Judge , Surpreme Judicial Court, or a state judicial court ordained a civil priest or priestess through a court order?
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Easy: we’d ignore it. There are already “civil priests” who can perform weddings–they’re called Justices of the Peace. In Florida, even a notary public can perform a wedding. In the meantime, if a court orders some sort of ordination, the rest of us say “That’s not our church” and pay no attention.
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