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saved75 said:
Check out the catholic history, Or ask you priest, And if he knows and isn’t a liar He will tell you.
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Uhhhhhh, no.
You said:
…the catholic church was’t formed until 300-600 years later.
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It is YOUR claim, YOU provide the documentation, with referances.
 
Gorgias said:
Oh, I read what you wrote – but you really didn’t establish the ‘brothers of the same womb’ assertion. Yes, you asserted it, but you failed to establish the context that you claim to have done.

which I refuted.

And your assertions aren’t your own opinions? 😉

My… when you don’t have an attempt at a refutation, you certainly turn to ad hominem attacks quite easily, don’t you? 😉

Peace,

G.
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I think you should read my post again.

And what is so hard to understand about.

The Greek word for “Brethren” is Adelphos"
Matt 13: 55. Mk 6: 3. Jn 7: 3-5. Acts 1: 13–14. 1 Cor 9: 5.
In this context it means, I Quote,
“Brothers of the same womb as Jesus”.
 
saved75 said:
My authority to teach the Bible is, 1 Cor 12: 28. Eph 4: 11–13.

Also.
My authority to believe and teach the Bible, Comes from the Holy Spirit,
Jn 14: 26. Jn 16: 13–15.
My Authority is in the name of Jesus, Jn 14: 12. Mk 16: 17–20.

Or isn’t God’s word good enough for you??.
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Circular reasoning. You cannot use the very Book you are interpreting as PROOF you have the right to interpret it.
Let’s try this again.
Show us how you know the Holy Spirit gives you the authority to interpret the Bible.
 
Gorgias said:
Oh, I read what you wrote – but you really didn’t establish the ‘brothers of the same womb’ assertion. Yes, you asserted it, but you failed to establish the context that you claim to have done.

which I refuted.

And your assertions aren’t your own opinions? 😉

My… when you don’t have an attempt at a refutation, you certainly turn to ad hominem attacks quite easily, don’t you? 😉

Peace,

G.
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The only reason you refuted what the Bible says, Is because you would rather believe what the catholics say,

I have given you scriptural and Greek texts proof, But you still believe what the catholics say.
 
saved75 said:
The only reason you refuted what the Bible says, Is because you would rather believe what the catholics say,

I have given you scriptural and Greek texts proof, But you still believe what the catholics say.
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By what authority are you interpreting the Bible?
 
saved75 said:
My authority to teach the Bible is, 1 Cor 12: 28. Eph 4: 11–13.

Also.
My authority to believe and teach the Bible, Comes from the Holy Spirit,
Jn 14: 26. Jn 16: 13–15.
My Authority is in the name of Jesus, Jn 14: 12. Mk 16: 17–20.

Or isn’t God’s word good enough for you??.
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Okay, let’s try this another way.
My (CatholicRaven’s) authority to teach the Bible is: 1 Cor 12: 28. Eph 4: 11–13.

Also, my authority to believe and teach the Bible comes from the Holy Spirit:
Jn 14: 26. Jn 16: 13–15.
My Authority is in the name of Jesus: Jn 14: 12. Mk 16: 17–20.

Or isn’t God’s word good enough for you?

And I disagree with your interpretation. Now what? 😉
 
CatholicRaven said:
Okay, let’s try this another way.
My (CatholicRaven’s) authority to teach the Bible is: 1 Cor 12: 28. Eph 4: 11–13.

Also, my authority to believe and teach the Bible comes from the Holy Spirit:
Jn 14: 26. Jn 16: 13–15.
My Authority is in the name of Jesus: Jn 14: 12. Mk 16: 17–20.

Or isn’t God’s word good enough for you?

And I disagree with your interpretation. Now what? 😉
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You immediately hang up a shingle announcing formation of The First CatholicRaven Hellfire and Brimstone Bible Church of…wherever you are.
😃
IOW, you start your own denomination.
 
…and notice he high-tailed it.
Anytime you ask for proof, and identify thier circular reasoning they suddnely remember they left the oven on.
:rolleyes:
 
saved75 said:
Jesus didn’t establish the catholic church, He established His Church
And He gave it authority.
the catholic church was’t formed until 300-600 years later.

There are far to many differences between the Biblical Church and the catholic church for the catholics to be the Church that Jesus built.

I think you should read the Bible carefully, DON’T YOU??.
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G3650
ὅλος
holos
hol’-os
A primary word; “whole” or “all”, that is, complete (in extent, amount, time or degree), especially (neuter) as noun or adverb: - all, altogether, every whit, + throughout, whole.

Catholic is an adjective derived from the Greek adjective (katholikos), meaning “universal”.

thefreedictionary.com/catholic

Catholic

[Middle English catholik, universally accepted, from Old French catholique, from Latin catholicus, universal, from Greek katholikos, from katholou, in general : kat-, kata-, down, along, according to; see cata- + holou (from neuter genitive of holos, whole; see sol- in Indo-European roots).]

St. Ignatius, around 110AD

Chapter 8. Let nothing be done without the bishop

See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.

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Your insinuations are rude and could be considered offensive. Just food for thought. Catholics read their Bibles, and submit to an authoritative interpretation besides a personal interpretation.**
 
saved75 said:
Jesus didn’t establish the catholic church, He established His Church
And He gave it authority.
the catholic church was’t formed until 300-600 years later.

There are far to many differences between the Biblical Church and the catholic church for the catholics to be the Church that Jesus built.

I think you should read the Bible carefully, DON’T YOU??.
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G1577
ἐκκλησία
ekklēsia
ek-klay-see’-ah
From a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564; a calling out, that is, (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both): - assembly, church.

G2596
κατά
kata
kat-ah’
A primary particle; (preposition) down (in place or time), in varied relations (according to the case [genitive, dative or accusative] with which it is joined): - about, according as (to), after, against, (when they were) X alone, among, and, X apart, (even, like) as (concerning, pertaining to, touching), X aside, at, before, beyond, by, to the charge of, [charita-] bly, concerning, + covered, [dai-] ly, down, every, (+ far more) exceeding, X more excellent, for, from . . . to, godly, in (-asmuch, divers, every, -to, respect of), . . . by, after the manner of, + by any means, beyond (out of) measure, X mightily, more, X natural, of (up-) on (X part), out (of every), over against, (+ your) X own, + particularly, so, through (-oughout, -oughout every), thus, (un-) to (-gether, -ward), X uttermost, where (-by), with. In composition it retains many of these applications, and frequently denotes opposition, distribution or intensity.

G3650
ὅλος
holos
hol’-os
A primary word; “whole” or “all”, that is, complete (in extent, amount, time or degree), especially (neuter) as noun or adverb: - all, altogether, every whit, + throughout, whole.

Catholic is an adjective derived from the Greek adjective (katholikos), meaning “universal”.

thefreedictionary.com/catholic

Catholic

[Middle English catholik, universally accepted, from Old French catholique, from Latin catholicus, universal, from Greek katholikos, from katholou, in general : kat-, kata-, down, along, according to; see cata- + holou (from neuter genitive of holos, whole; see sol- in Indo-European roots).]

St. Ignatius, around 110AD

Chapter 8. Let nothing be done without the bishop

See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.

**
Your insinuations are rude and could be considered offensive. Just food for thought. Catholics read their Bibles, and submit to an authoritative interpretation and not a personal interpretation.**
 
CatholicRaven said:
Okay, let’s try this another way.
My (CatholicRaven’s) authority to teach the Bible is: 1 Cor 12: 28. Eph 4: 11–13.

Also, my authority to believe and teach the Bible comes from the Holy Spirit:
Jn 14: 26. Jn 16: 13–15.
My Authority is in the name of Jesus: Jn 14: 12. Mk 16: 17–20.

Or isn’t God’s word good enough for you?

And I disagree with your interpretation. Now what? 😉
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Of cause you disagree with what I say, And that’s because you disagree with the Bible.

Please note, I give scriptures to back up what I say, And you just give your opinions.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
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G1577
ἐκκλησία
ekklēsia
ek-klay-see’-ah
From a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564; a calling out, that is, (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both): - assembly, church.

G2596
κατά
kata
kat-ah’
A primary particle; (preposition) down (in place or time), in varied relations (according to the case [genitive, dative or accusative] with which it is joined): - about, according as (to), after, against, (when they were) X alone, among, and, X apart, (even, like) as (concerning, pertaining to, touching), X aside, at, before, beyond, by, to the charge of, [charita-] bly, concerning, + covered, [dai-] ly, down, every, (+ far more) exceeding, X more excellent, for, from . . . to, godly, in (-asmuch, divers, every, -to, respect of), . . . by, after the manner of, + by any means, beyond (out of) measure, X mightily, more, X natural, of (up-) on (X part), out (of every), over against, (+ your) X own, + particularly, so, through (-oughout, -oughout every), thus, (un-) to (-gether, -ward), X uttermost, where (-by), with. In composition it retains many of these applications, and frequently denotes opposition, distribution or intensity.

G3650
ὅλος
holos
hol’-os
A primary word; “whole” or “all”, that is, complete (in extent, amount, time or degree), especially (neuter) as noun or adverb: - all, altogether, every whit, + throughout, whole.

Catholic is an adjective derived from the Greek adjective (katholikos), meaning “universal”.

thefreedictionary.com/catholic

Catholic

[Middle English catholik, universally accepted, from Old French catholique, from Latin catholicus, universal, from Greek katholikos, from katholou, in general : kat-, kata-, down, along, according to; see cata- + holou (from neuter genitive of holos, whole; see sol- in Indo-European roots).]

St. Ignatius, around 110AD

Chapter 8. Let nothing be done without the bishop

See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.

**
Your insinuations are rude and could be considered offensive. Just food for thought. Catholics read their Bibles, and submit to an authoritative interpretation and not a personal interpretation.**
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You can quote who you want and believe what you want, But I will believe and quote the Bible.

Catholics might read the Bible, But they believe the catholic chutch rather then the Bible.

for instance catholics believe they are saved by works, Yet the Bible
says we sre saved by grace NOT BY WORKS. EPH 3: 8-9.
 
saved75 said:
You can quote who you want and believe what you want, But I will believe and quote the Bible.

Catholics might read the Bible, But they believe the catholic chutch rather then the Bible.

for instance catholics believe they are saved by works, Yet the Bible
says we sre saved by grace NOT BY WORKS. EPH 3: 8-9.
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I suggest you first find out what Catholic’s really believe and what The Church teach…:cool:

This might help.
usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/what-we-believe/catechism/catechism-of-the-catholic-church/epub/index.cfm
 
CatholicRaven said:
False.

1996 Our justification comes from the grace of God. Grace is favor, the free and undeserved help that God gives us to respond to his call to become children of God, adoptive sons, partakers of the divine nature and of eternal life.46 (Catechism of the Catholic Church)
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It is quite obvious that you don’t know what the catholics teach, They say,
,
Anyone who says they are saved by faith alone, Without works of satisfaction, They let that person be anathema.
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So catholics say Paul lost his salvation, Because he said, [Inspired by God],
By grace are you saved by faith, NOT BY WORKS, Lest any man should boast.
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And,
Not by WORKS of righteousnes that we have done, But by His mercy we are saved.
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So Either God got it wrong or the catholics did, I will leave you to judge.
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saved75 said:
I know what the Bible teaches and I know what the catholics teach, And I know they are not the same.
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No you don’t know what the Catholic Church teaches…
If you did you would not have stated that we believe we are saved by works.
If you take a gander at that link, you will also see the the ref to the bible passages…
So again first find out what we really believe. Get it from the source. Not from some anti-or non Catholic source…
 
saved75 said:
Of cause you disagree with what I say, And that’s because you disagree with the Bible.
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The Catholic Church gave you Bible you keep quoting. Why would the Catholic Church put together a Book that disagrees with what she teaches?
saved75 said:
You can quote who you want and believe what you want, But I will believe and quote the Bible.
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By what authority are you interpreting the Bible?
saved75 said:
I know what the Bible teaches and I know what the catholics teach, And I know they are not the same.
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False. The Bible, which the Catholic Church GAVE YOU, is exactly in line with what the Church teaches. Our authority is based on 2000 years of the Holy Spirit guiding his Church.
Where do you derive your authority?
 
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