Covington Bishop clarfies praying posture during mass

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pnewton said:
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About six minutes into this link, Cardinal Arinze addresses this. I like what he said. It is not proscribed. If a person wants to hold his hand this way, that’s okay, or this way, that’s okay. But when he goes proscribing, that is too much.
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So is what you’re saying is that Cardinal Arinze, prefect for the Catholic Church, says that the Bishops are not to proscribe, or the laity is not to proscribe? It’s not okay to proscribe this posture within the liturgy and making it a rubric?
 
I close my eyes, bow my head and clasp my hands. I don’t look at anyone and I don’t care if anyone looks at me. I used to worry that others would think I was rude or something, but it really doesn’t bother me anymore. I’ve just gotten used to refusing to hold hands.
 
Dominique1234 said:
So is what you’re saying is that Cardinal Arinze, prefect for the Catholic Church, says that the Bishops are not to proscribe, or the laity is not to proscribe? It’s not okay to proscribe this posture within the liturgy and making it a rubric?
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As the bishop is in charge of the liturgy, and since he was speaking to the laity at the time, I am sure the Cardinal never meant to tell the bishops what they could do in the liturgy by this statement. The bishops know their limits and their authority.

The context was a layperson Q and A. The question dealt with the parish level. On a practical level, if someone tries to grab a hand that is not outstretched, that is an attempt to get another lay person into a posture not proscribed and is a no-no. Likewise and announcement to join hands would be proscribing a posture. A bishop prohibiting it, this is not proscribing a posture and is within his authority. That’s my take on his answer.
 
pnewton said:
As the bishop is in charge of the liturgy, and since he was speaking to the laity at the time, I am sure the Cardinal never meant to tell the bishops what they could do in the liturgy by this statement. The bishops know their limits and their authority.

The context was a layperson Q and A. The question dealt with the parish level. On a practical level, if someone tries to grab a hand that is not outstretched, that is an attempt to get another lay person into a posture not proscribed and is a no-no. Likewise and announcement to join hands would be proscribing a posture. A bishop prohibiting it, this is not proscribing a posture and is within his authority. That’s my take on his answer.
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That totally makes sense. Thanks for the clarification on this. That’s how I sort of viewed it as well.

God bless!

Dom:)
 
pnewton said:
As the bishop is in charge of the liturgy, and since he was speaking to the laity at the time, I am sure the Cardinal never meant to tell the bishops what they could do in the liturgy by this statement. The bishops know their limits and their authority.

The context was a layperson Q and A. The question dealt with the parish level. On a practical level, if someone tries to grab a hand that is not outstretched, that is an attempt to get another lay person into a posture not proscribed and is a no-no. Likewise and announcement to join hands would be proscribing a posture. A bishop prohibiting it, this is not proscribing a posture and is within his authority. That’s my take on his answer.
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Oh, and another thing… I was confused when they started teaching this to people taking RCIA in my old parish, as well as those in some other Churches in the diocese where I now reside. Is this supposed to happen? Are they supposed to teach this posture to people taking RCIA and telling them it’s what’s supposed to be done during the “Pater Noster”. ?

I’m confused about all this.

Dom
 
There are two schools of thought in the post Vatican II Church. One is that church, and Mass, are all about community. That’s the hippie/sandalista view. The other is that the Mass is all about Christ and the sacrifice.

The holding hands during the Our Father is part of the “community” school of thought. It fosters community through connections to your fellow Mass goers.

The “community” school has taken almost total control of a lot of parishes. The “sacrifice” school is becoming resurgent as more people look at where we are and are not happy.
 
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