Crazy confession

[Don_Ruggero]

Please don’t throw around the word “modernist” like that. In the Church, it has a specific meaning for a specific heresy. Accusing your RCIA instructress of modernism is a very serious accusation, one which only the Church’s appointed hierarchy, and certainly not a recent convert, is in a position to make.

You know what is my pet peeve on this forum? New converts coming in and throwing around all sorts of accusations and making all sorts of criticisms without sufficient knowledge. By all means ask questions when you don’t understand something, but don’t pretend to know better than someone that the Church’s lawful hierarchy has appointed to teach you in the faith.

I’ve been a Catholic for nearly 60 years, and I’ve paid pretty close attention to the faith for the last 20 of those 60 years. To have a newly converted Catholic call his RCIA instructress a heretic, is simply insolent.

Very very well said.

 

[Inisfallen]

This seems so simple to me. Did the priest say that you’re absolved? Then you’re absolved.

As to the wearing or not wearing of a stole, it doesn’t matter. He could have been wearing jeans and a t-shirt for all the difference it makes.

 

[OraLabora]

None of that makes you qualified to levy the charge of “modernist” towards her. That is not your determination to make. Moreover, none your points provide prima facie evidence of heresy. For example you say that she promotes the “spirit of Vatican II” without specifying what, exactly she is promoting. You are also accusing Fr. Richard Rohr of heresy. AFAIK he is a priest in good standing with his order. Again, you are way out of line. You may not like what Fr. Rohr teaches (I admit I find some of his stuff off the wall, but on the other hand, some of it I have found inspiring; I’m not a black-and-white person that thinks if someone makes a mistake, all his or her work is a mistake).

If you have a beef with your RCIA instructor, take it up with the Chancery office. But don’t go calling her a “modernist”. If you are such a stickler for all the details of the faith, then you should know that accusations of heresy are not yours to make and by doing so you are in fact carrying out calumny.

As an aside, one hopes that with growth in faith comes a spirit of discernment. Even the Church is not averse to using the orthodox writings of known heretics. Origen was anathematized as a heretic later in life, yet his teachings are still widely read in the Office of Readings of the Liturgy of the Hours. I have read Rohr and have found many things of value in what he says, even if he sometimes tests the very limits of orthodoxy, and thus at the same time, my patience.

 

[YehoiakhinEx232]

Were the laity of late antiquity guilty of calumny when they warned their fellow-layman about Arian parishes? Were Origen’s writing objectively okay before he was anathematized?

I really hope you’re serious when you say you have no idea what the “spirit of Vatican II” is, because quite frankly your indifference to crisis in the Church borderlines on spiritual callousness. I’m not joking around here! I am fighting tooth and nail here to save my soul and you are basically telling me to role-over and die spiritually, on the grounds that the ecclesial authority figures must always be right until undeniably prove false, (And I’m actually a person who is somewhat reluctant to criticize that Pope and the Hierarchy!) as well a few other troubling views that I won’t get into.

I have reported my RCIA Instructor to my parish priest, I did so last summer, I have seen improvement in parish though it is very slow. The views this instructor has promoted were objectively erroneous and dangerous to souls, any less educated soul would have been led astray and end up having a dysfunctional relationship with God.

 

[OraLabora]

I didn’t say I didn’t know what the spirit of Vatican II was. I said I didn’t know what specifically she did to warrant your accusation. you gave no evidence to support your accusation, in other words. Without prima facie evidence, you are in fact spreading calumny.

If the Church doesn’t openly declare someone a heretic, then you shouldn’t be calling someone a heretic. It’s way above your pay grade, or mine.

Enough said,there is no point in debating with you.

 

[YehoiakhinEx232]

I was deliberately vague to avoid sins of tongue, which you narrow down to calumny, implying that my accusations are false, and you’ve just admitted that your judgement is false by saying that what “the spirit of Vatican II” means.

The “spirit of Vatican II” is simply a rejection, in-whole, or in part, of “pre-Vatican II” Traditions as well as the Second Vatican Council itself as it never promoted the things promoted by the folk who follow this. Thus, the person who promotes this. Thus, the person who promotes the “spirit of Vatican II” is guilty of material heresy, as the “spirit of Vatican II” is a rejection of Church Tradition, as well as the authority of the Second Vatican Council itself.

I have more evidence that my RCIA instructor has taught things that are material heresy. But as you have stated that you don’t want to debate me, I will not bring the evidence forward but enjoy the peace.

 

[OraLabora]

I know what is meant by the « spirit of Vatican II ». I’m not an idiot, nor a recent convert.

You have not, again, said what she did to warrant your accusation. All I have is hearsay with no specifics. And, again, it is not your call to say if she’s a heretic or not.

Being wrong about something, assuming she is wrong, doesn’t make one a heretic, but just wrong. The very serious condemnation of heresy is not yours to make.

 

[Inisfallen]

Thus, the person who promotes the “spirit of Vatican II” is guilty of material heresy, as the “spirit of Vatican II” is a rejection of Church Tradition, as well as the authority of the Second Vatican Council itself.

You’re still in RCIA, and you’re issuing pronouncements on who is a heretic? Do you think maybe you’re jumping the gun a bit? You should wait until you’re a bishop, at least, maybe even a cardinal, before you start issuing fatwas.