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How should I best handle a priest who creates his own version of the Eucharistic prayer even to the point of slightly altering the words of consecration? He changes other words during the Mass or adds his own reflections at times, but at the Eucharistic prayer, none of the four options for the prayer is recognizable. I wonder if others are not aware of this because we no longer have books in the pews with which to follow the Mass. This priest started out making just a few alterations and now it is to the point of being a totally ad-libbed version of his own. Thank you for your help with this.
 
Contact your Bishop. This is his issue to deal with, not yours.

~Liza
 
Liza,
Do I owe him the courtesy of approaching him first before going to the Bishop? Maybe he has an explanation.
 
How should I best handle a priest who creates his own version of the Eucharistic prayer even to the point of slightly altering the words of consecration?
This is a really serious issue; if he’s changing the words of the consecration, he might be invalidating the sacrament entirely. :mad:

I would suggest asking him privately what Eucharistic Prayer he’s using. When he spills the beans, ask him why he’s using his own and not one that the Church allows. If he tells you that he’s allowed to, he’s wrong. Maybe he thinks he’s allowed to; maybe he’s seen bad examples and thought they were good examples. If he’s not the pastor, speak to the pastor about it too, if the priest doesn’t seem open to adjusting his personal practices to the liturgy of the Church.

You might even need to take it to the bishop.

(I’m not sure you should do this, but I think it drives the point home well: ask him if, since he’s allowed to make up what he says during the Mass, if you can make up your own responses.)
 
There are actually more than four “approved” Eucharistic Prayers; including those for Masses with Children–all together I think there about 11 or so. They include at least 2 different 'Eucharistic Prayer for Reconciliation", some which are ‘Proper’ to certain solemnities, etc.

It is possible that SOME of the ‘differences’ you hear are from approved prayers.

It is also possible–Lord KNOWS I have met more than one priest in the last 30 years who thought so highly of his own ‘style’ that he added words, omitted words, ‘changed’ words to make ‘more personal and relevant’. . .and thought himself well within his RIGHT to do so. If that is the case, then you have to be very careful to be respectful of this priest’s OFFICE (which is separate from his own personal ‘wrong’ actions if he does them) but you must let your bishop know.

You’re in our prayers. Keep up your hopes! 10 years ago virtually ‘all’ the priests in my former diocese made ‘changes’ through the Mass; 5 years ago the percentage was down to 50/50, and today of the 5 to 10% of 'incorrigibles, let’s just say that the bishop ‘cracked down’ and removed them to different parishes RIGHT UNDER HIS WATCHFUL EYE this month. . .

10 years ago, having ‘sat’ through the gradual ‘liturgical circus changes’ for more than 20 years and seen them get worse, and worse, I would NEVER have pictured that 10 years later (now) most of those changes would be ‘dust in the wind’. . .

God is good!
 
How should I best handle a priest who creates his own version of the Eucharistic prayer even to the point of slightly altering the words of consecration? He changes other words during the Mass or adds his own reflections at times, but at the Eucharistic prayer, none of the four options for the prayer is recognizable. I wonder if others are not aware of this because we no longer have books in the pews with which to follow the Mass. This priest started out making just a few alterations and now it is to the point of being a totally ad-libbed version of his own. Thank you for your help with this.
I will be meeting with my pastor tomorrow about this very thing. When others have asked him why he does this, he has said that it means the same thing. In other words, they haven’t gotten very far. (They, by the way, have given up attempting to follow him with a missal.)

One thing that I hope will make a difference is that I have a hidden weapon (more than just the Rosary! :p). I have prepared notes with quotes from applicable Church documents. I also wrote a few paragraphs of introduction to explain why this (and the other topics I plan on bringing up and the ones that can wait longer) are important. Applicable to this situation is Redemptionis Sacramentum no. 51:
Only those Eucharistic Prayers are to be used which are found in the Roman Missal or are legitimately approved by the Apostolic See, and according to the manner and the terms set forth by it. “It is not to be tolerated that some Priests take upon themselves the right to compose their own Eucharistic Prayers” or to change the same texts approved by the Church, or to introduce others composed by private individuals.
The priest does not say the words on behalf himself only or even for the people present; he said them on behalf of the entire Church.
 
Every Catholic has a right to attend a proper Mass. No priest, even the pope himself has the right to just change things willy nilly.

Depending on the changes in the consecration formula, you could very well be attending an invalid Mass. I can’t think of anything else that could be so bad for a good Catholic. Even if the consecration is valid, the abuses should not be allowed. I say notify the bishop and let him take care of business. At least this way there might not be bad blood between you two.
 
This site maybe helpful in dertermining if the prayers said by your priest are valid or not …

catholic-resources.org/ChurchDocs/EP.htm

I would simply ask your priest for a photo copy of the Eucharistic Prayer he uses … it should come out of the Sacramentary and if photo copied yu would know that immediately …

The Eucharistic prayers are very beautiful and can be used as a reflection in prayerful mediation on the mystery and great gift of the Eucharist …
 
How should I best handle a priest who creates his own version of the Eucharistic prayer even to the point of slightly altering the words of consecration? He changes other words during the Mass or adds his own reflections at times, but at the Eucharistic prayer, none of the four options for the prayer is recognizable. I wonder if others are not aware of this because we no longer have books in the pews with which to follow the Mass. This priest started out making just a few alterations and now it is to the point of being a totally ad-libbed version of his own. Thank you for your help with this.
You should have the courtesy to talk to your priest before doing anything. What happened to innocent until proven guilty? You are judging him without even hearing his story.
 
You should have the courtesy to talk to your priest before doing anything. What happened to innocent until proven guilty? You are judging him without even hearing his story.
What? That makes absolutely NO sense! He was proven guilty of changing the prayers when he changed the prayers!

This isn’t some liberal American court. This is the Catholic Church!
 
But, belgian, the OP originally (or so I think) thought that there **were only 4 approved Eucharistic Prayers. **

There are actually several more (I think 13, all together, from I think Yada’s post which gave them). Today when I went to Mass at a new church (no missalettes) the priest prayed a prayer which was ‘different’ from Eucharistic Prayers 1 through 4. It turned out to be, word for word, the Eucharistic Prayer for Reconciliation I.

So the priest MAY BE USING an ‘approved prayer’ with which the OP is not familiar.

And that is why the priest needs to be asked. Imagine how awful everybody involved would feel if it turns out that the priest IS using approved prayers and is thus ‘falsely accused’ of altering prayers.
 
What? That makes absolutely NO sense! He was proven guilty of changing the prayers when he changed the prayers!

This isn’t some liberal American court. This is the Catholic Church!
But Thistle has a point the OP was looking only at the four Eucharistic Prayers most commonly used [and typically printed in a Missal] not at all of the potential Eucharistic Prayers … there are many more than four …

I posted a link to them in an earlier post … the OP has not came back to verfiy that his priest is in fact deviating from all of the Eucharistis prayers …

As I noted I would just ask for a copy of the prayer the priest used …

And I am all about proper liturgy … 👍 that is important … but we had a priest a few years back that occassionally used one of the Eucharistic prayers at the “Family” friendly Mass … you would not find it in the missal but it is an official and proper Eucharistic Prayer …
 
What? That makes absolutely NO sense! He was proven guilty of changing the prayers when he changed the prayers!

This isn’t some liberal American court. This is the Catholic Church!
I don’t know which prayers the priest is using, but there are more than the four Eucharistic prayers we usually hear. If he is changing the words that’s a serious problem. If he’s using an unfamiliar prayer then the problem is with the person making the complaint.

I agree that it would make more sense to approach the priest and say that you’re not familiar with the prayer he’s using and ask about which one it is.

The Carmelites have a collection of the different Eucharistic prayers here.
 
There are two more Eucharistic Prayers, these are the Swiss Canons that are approved for use in the United States. The prefaces take their root from Jesus’ conversation with the two disciples on the way to Emmaus. These versions also exist in Spanish.

Check this link out from the USCCB:

usccb.org/liturgy/q&a/mass/eucharistic.shtml

and this link from Adoremus:

adoremus.org/497-Swiss.html

Why not casually and gently ask the priest which Eucharistic Prayer he is using? Then, if he starts hedging on an answer, simply tell him that the words do not sound familiar to you. If he is reluctant, then, charitably discuss Redemptionis Sacramentum.
 
First of all, I am so grateful for everyone’s feedback and instruction. I have some reading to do and thank you for the references. The only thing I would like to add, and please realize, I have not read all 13 Eucharistic prayers yet, is that Father’s eucharistic prayers seem off the cuff…each Sunday he relates back to the readings of the day, as if to make the prayer more relevant to us. I will be surprised if he can give me a “copy” as it seems he is inspired as he goes. But I certainly can ask.

Question: may I call him or write a letter? I was going to approach him after Mass yesterday, but it is such a busy time and did not seem appropriate.
 
I would call and make an appointment to speak with your priest … yes they are busy people …

I would not email this question nor attempt to discuss it over the phone …

Remember, priests are people too 😉 my opinion …
 
Question: may I call him or write a letter? I was going to approach him after Mass yesterday, but it is such a busy time and did not seem appropriate.
I think that if you are “well prepared” (i.e., you know how to respond to different responses :D) a meeting would be best (ask to setup an appointment to talk to him). In my case, I have heard what path he took from others who have talked to him, so I know how I need to direct my thought process.

I could have easily written a letter that would respond to what his responses will probably be but I chose a meeting so I can better gauge how many other topics I can bring up. I’m saving the letter writing for the Archbishop.

This doesn’t mean, however, that you should go into the meeting empty handed. Make notes, even if only to prepare yourself better. (If you couldn’t tell, I’m tend to get nervous during meetings. ;)) I plan on leaving them in my briefcase, just in case I need them.

Or, just ignore me and do what you think would be the most effective and comfortable for you. 👍
 
You should have the courtesy to talk to your priest before doing anything. What happened to innocent until proven guilty? You are judging him without even hearing his story.
Laudatur Iesus Christus.

This seems to me to be both a matter of courtesy and of divine command. The document referenced earlier, Redemptionis Sacramentum, states both that it is the “right of all of Christ’s faithful that the Liturgy, and in particular the celebration of Holy Mass, should truly be as the Church wishes,” (Ibid., 12) , and that correction of every distortion of the Liturgy is “a most serious duty incumbent upon each and every one, and all are bound to carry it out without any favouritism,” (Ibid, 183). This seems to indicate that an offense against the proper form of the Liturgy is an offense against each member of the faithful. As such, one must recall the Lord’s commands set out in the Gospel of St. Matthew:

"If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. (Matthew (RSV) 18:15-17).

This suggests that one should personally approach the offending priest in the spirit of two friends seeking to reconcile and honor the will of Christ expressed through His Church in the Liturgy. If this one-on-one meeting (or series of meetings, so long as progress is being made) is unsuccessful, one should take one or two others to meet with the priest to try and come to loving and brotherly unity on the issue.

Only after these attempts at personal reconciliation and assisted and mediated reconciliation fail should one turn to the Church in a formal manner.

I suggest that the progress of all meetings be documented by confirming letters, clearly stating and demonstrating one’s desire to reach a friendly reconciliation, stating the points at issue and one’s basis for taking offense, and making clear the effort to work together as brothers in the difficulty. If the matter must ultimately be referred to the Church, copies of these letters will make clear that efforts at brotherly resolution of the problem have been attempted.

Once one has reached the point of taking the matter to the “Church,” one’s course depends on who has been involved with the matter up to that point. If the priest is not the pastor, then taking the matter to his Pastor would be a reasonable way to bring the matter to the Church – of course, if the Pastor is one of the “one or two others” that have tried to help already, the next step might be to go to the Dean of the area or to the Bishop himself.

For helpful advice on formal procedures, once the matter must be “taken to the Church,” the document on the website of Catholics United for the Faith, called “Effective Lay Witness Protocol,” may be helpful.

Priests are often difficult to approach. However, the statements in *Redemptionis Sacramentum *make it a mater of duty in upholding the Faith that one make the effort. Of course, the real challenge is to do this confidently and in an authentic spirit of love for the priest himself as a brother (even when he is acting badly); as *Redemptionis Sacramentum *puts it, “This is naturally to be done in truth and charity,” (Ibid., 184).

May you succeed in gaining your brother and in upholding the dignity of the sacred Liturgy. May the Lord give you courage in this matter, keep you free of anxiety, and keep you within the bounds of authentic love.

Pax Christi tecum.

John Hiner
 
Priests are often difficult to approach. However, the statements in *Redemptionis Sacramentum *make it a mater of duty in upholding the Faith that one make the effort. Of course, the real challenge is to do this confidently and in an authentic spirit of love for the priest himself as a brother (even when he is acting badly); as *Redemptionis Sacramentum *puts it, “This is naturally to be done in truth and charity,” (Ibid., 184).
If you’re lucky his response won’t be the one my pastor gave me: “We haven’t implemented that document in our diocese.” I should have realized that: they were/are using glass chalices and ciboria at the cathedral.
 
If you’re lucky his response won’t be the one my pastor gave me: “We haven’t implemented that document in our diocese.” I should have realized that: they were/are using glass chalices and ciboria at the cathedral.
My trump card, which I hope I won’t have to use, is that the authority of the Bishop of Rome, by whose mandate Redemptoris Sacramentum was written, is immediate and universal. He’s the big bishop. A mini-trump card would be that the same Bishop of Rome said it was to be implemented immediately. My mathematician thinking-cap says that’s zero seconds, but even my more flexible physics thinking-cap thinks four years is a bit much.

We’ll see how my meeting goes today.

Our ciborium at least is metal looking, but everything else is glass.
 
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