Creation/Existence of God: Catholic Philosophers, Doctors of the Church

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I’m thinking of giving an Adult Education Course for our parish on Catholic Philosophers/Doctors of the Church who had something to say about “Creation” and “Proofs for the Existence of God” . (“In the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is king” ;)). Right now I’m thinking of St. Augustine, St. Anselm, St. Thomas Aquinas, Bernard Lonergan as possible subjects. I’d be most grateful for any suggestions (with short reasons) for others or why any of those mentioned shouldn’t be included. The course will be four or five two-hour sessions, so coverage has to be limited, Thanks in advance.
PS–trenchant references or web sites would also be welcomed (I have access to a good University library).
 
I’m thinking of giving an Adult Education Course for our parish on Catholic Philosophers/Doctors of the Church who had something to say about “Creation” and “Proofs for the Existence of God” . (“In the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is king” ;)). Right now I’m thinking of St. Augustine, St. Anselm, St. Thomas Aquinas, Bernard Lonergan as possible subjects. I’d be most grateful for any suggestions (with short reasons) for others or why any of those mentioned shouldn’t be included. The course will be four or five two-hour sessions, so coverage has to be limited, Thanks in advance.
PS–trenchant references or web sites would also be welcomed (I have access to a good University library).
Anselm:

Don’t forget some Maritain and Chesterton, Scotus and Adler, Kant and Spaemann. Not as big as your guys, some of them, but, each with a different askance view of rational proof.

God bless,
jd
 
From astrophysicist Dr. Ross’ seminar (pg 7 of 19):

cosmicfingerprints.com/audio/newevidence.htm

"Another way of looking at this incredible fine-tuning of the universe in this one characteristic is to compare it with the very best that we humans have achieved. It’s not built yet, but towards the end of this year, a machine will come online at Cal Tech. This machine will have the capacity to make measurements to within one part in 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (10 to the 23rd power). The best machine man has ever designed.

But the very best machine that man has ever designed, with all of our money, technology and education, falls one hundred trillion times short of the level of fine-tuning that we see in just this one characteristic of the universe.

Purposefully, I didn’t choose the best example. In my book, The Creator and the Cosmos, I describe two other characteristics of the universe that are much more fine-tuned than the balance of electrons to protons. Some of these characteristics reveal more than what I’ve described here.

**If the universe is fine-tuned in one part to the 10 to the 37th power, one part in 10 to the 40th power and one part in 10 to the 55th power on three different characteristics, then that tells us that God must be personal; that He’s not only transcendent, he’s personal!

God: 100 Trillion Trillion Times More Precise than Man

Why do we say this? Because only a person is capable of fine-tuning to the degree that we’ve observed, and that person must be orders of magnitude more intelligent and creative than we human beings. One hundred trillion times more intelligent and creative than we human beings, just based on that one characteristic. But he’s also creative and loving. **

Earth: An Insignificant Speck?

When I was a young man, questioning the holy books of the religions of the world, I knew God must exist because of the Big Bang. There’s a beginning, there must be a beginner. But I doubted that God was personal and caring because I felt that planet Earth was just an insignificant speck in the eyes of a God that created a hundred trillion stars. What could we matter to such an awesome God?

Mass of the Universe

Astronomers have discovered that the total mass of the universe acts as a catalyst for nuclear fusion and the more massive the universe is, the more efficiently nuclear fusion operates in the cosmos. If the universe is too massive, the mass density too great, then very quickly all the matter in the universe is converted from Hydrogen into elements heavier than iron, which would render life impossible because the universe would be devoid of Carbon, Oxygen, Nitrogen, etc.

If the universe has too little mass, then fusion would work so inefficiently that all that the universe would ever produce would be Hydrogen, or Hydrogen plus a small amount of Helium. But there again, the Carbon and Oxygen we need for life would be missing.

**What does this tell me about the Creator? That God so loved the human race that he went to the expense of building one hundred billion stars and carefully shaped and crafted those hundred billion trillion stars for the entire age of the universe, so that for this brief moment in time, we could have a nice place to live. **

It’s the same logic that my five and eight year old sons use on me. They measure my love for them by how much money I spend on the gifts that I buy for them. We can use the same kind of logic to draw the conclusion that the God who created the universe must love we human beings very much, given how much he spent on our behalf."
 
Anselm:
Don’t forget some Maritain and Chesterton, Scotus and Adler, Kant and Spaemann. Not as big as your guys, some of them, but, each with a different askance view of rational proof.
Thanks for the suggestions.
I’m not familiar with any of the above–are Kant and Spaemann Catholic? (That’s my preset limitation). Do the others discuss a) Creation, b) Proof for the existence of God? I’ll do a Google search to see.
 
I would read up on and include some of what St. Francis of Assisi and St. Bonaventure say on the relation between God (thus, the existence of God, Our Creator) and Creation. There is a great article entitled, “A Restored Harmony In Creation,” by a Fr Mark Elvins OFM Cap, that may offer some resources to your project as well. Enjoy!

PS Sounds like a great topic 👍 Maybe you can somehow share it here??
 
Aquinas proof for God; Summa Theologica for the Five Proofs
Anselms proof for God; Proslogion for the Ontological argument
Scotus proof for God; Tractatus de Primo Principio for the most argument from essential order
Ockhams discussin on proofs for God; Quaestiones in Lib. I Physicorum for a full comentary on Scotus essential order argument
Kant’s proof for God; Critique of Reason; s87 for the Teleological argument
Anonymous discussion on the via negative; The Cloud of Unknowing for the via negative argumentation

These are the essential arguments for the existence of God.
 
Thank you.
QUOTE=JohnDamian;7038243]Aquinas proof for God; Summa Theologica for the Five Proofs
Anselms proof for God; Proslogion for the Ontological argument
Scotus proof for God; Tractatus de Primo Principio for the most argument from essential order
I’ve been reading about Scotus from the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy…Seems interesting.
Ockhams discussin on proofs for God; Quaestiones in Lib. I Physicorum for a full comentary on Scotus essential order argumentCritique of Reason; s87
for the Teleological argument

Anonymous discussion on the via negative; The Cloud of Unknowing for the via negative argumentation

These are the essential arguments for the existence of God.]
 
Hi. Pascal was Catholic. Although he later would convert to Jansenism, his arguments for belief in God in the “Pensees” don’t contain anything heretical. Descartes was also a devout Catholic, and his arguments for God are found in his “Meditations”. I would suggest reading the book “Introduction to the Philosophy of Religion” by Brian Davies (he is Catholic). They should have it at your library. It basically summarizes all the modern arguments people are going to hear today, giving you a good ground for modern apologetics work. At the same time, it is both easy to read (I finished it in a couple of days) and makes things very clear. In the mean time, check out most of Saint Thomas’ writings available online for free.
 
Thanks for the suggestions.
I’m not familiar with any of the above–are Kant and Spaemann Catholic? (That’s my preset limitation). Do the others discuss a) Creation, b) Proof for the existence of God? I’ll do a Google search to see.
Anselm33:
Robert Spaemann is a Catholic, but, Immanuel Kant is not. His ideas were somewhat opposed to Catholic metaphysics, no matter what; however, some of his ideas were foundational. Only his foundational philosophy, such as, Critique of Pure Reason is important, IMHO.
 
Hi. Pascal was Catholic. Although he later would convert to Jansenism, his arguments for belief in God in the “Pensees” don’t contain anything heretical. Descartes was also a devout Catholic, and his arguments for God are found in his “Meditations”. I would suggest reading the book “Introduction to the Philosophy of Religion” by Brian Davies (he is Catholic). They should have it at your library. It basically summarizes all the modern arguments people are going to hear today, giving you a good ground for modern apologetics work. At the same time, it is both easy to read (I finished it in a couple of days) and makes things very clear. In the mean time, check out most of Saint Thomas’ writings available online for free.
Thanks, I’ll try to pick that up.
 
I’m thinking of giving an Adult Education Course for our parish on Catholic Philosophers/Doctors of the Church who had something to say about “Creation” and “Proofs for the Existence of God” . (“In the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is king” ;)). Right now I’m thinking of St. Augustine, St. Anselm, St. Thomas Aquinas, Bernard Lonergan as possible subjects. I’d be most grateful for any suggestions (with short reasons) for others or why any of those mentioned shouldn’t be included. The course will be four or five two-hour sessions, so coverage has to be limited, Thanks in advance.
PS–trenchant references or web sites would also be welcomed (I have access to a good University library).
Anselm:

Contrary to what some have said, teaching Immanuel Kant is not a good idea. Indeed, the very foundation of his thought is at odds with the Catholic faith, which states as dogma that the existence of God can be proven with certainty by the light of human reason. Kant undermined (or tried to) the most fundamental principles of metaphyics - i.e. the laws of contradiction and causality. He is mainly responsible for the cultural relativism of today (Nietzsche, for example, praised him for this). He himself was a fidiest, believing that no one can rationally know anything about God, and that his existence must be taken on pure religious feeling. His principles taken to their logical conclusion result in univesal skepticism and the philosophies of the absurd. Many Catholic apologists would agree, and Kant views are never looked upon favorably by orthodox Catholic theologians.

Since your time seems to be limited, I would suggest really digging deep into St. Thomas’ five ways. There is a lot of literature about them, but not much of it is very good. I would suggest looking at Father Garrigou-Lagrange’s treatment of God and his existence. Much of his commentary on the summa can be found here: thesumma.info/index.php

Admittedly, it is quite involved, but it is my firm belief that, if one builds a strong foundation on Thomistic metaphyics, the rewards are worth every effort.

Also, you may be interested in a more scientific approach. This book just came out and seems to be very well endorsed by modern science and physics. It also answers many current day objections in cosmology such as “the universe just came out of nothing”: magisreasonfaith.org/
 
Thanks again. I’ve read Fr. Spitzer’s book; some parts may be useful, but all in all it may be a little too much meat for the students involved. Also, I’ve given a couple of courses on Science and the Church to the same group, so this will be only on philosophy.
 
Excuse, me. but Kepler was NOT Catholic.
He was a devout and uncompromising Lutheran till the day he died. He stuck with Lutheranism and its adherents even after they excommunicated him and wrongly accused, tried and tortured his mother for being a “witch.”

Many of his Catholic friends and acquantances tried and failed for years to bring him into the Church.

As for answering the question the OP posited, I agree with those who mentioned Pascal. He was a Jansenist for years but was never excommunicated and made peace with the Church right before he died.
 
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