Creation to be major theme at WYD in Rio [CNAU]

[Tigg]

I’ll take another charity as an example. Water.org is a charity that helps get clean water to places in Africa and Asia through actions like micro-loans to people. It was co-founded by Matt Damon (the actor), who is apparently an Obama supporter. Does that mean you can’t support this charity, even though the only thing it actually does is help people in 3rd World Countries get access to clean water?

That’s the problem with such logic. Charities (the good ones) are set up to do certain actions, not to advance political points of supporters.

Many charities funded under the banner of social justice are the ones promoting political ideology and doing it through the legislative process. They may help to provide clean water while simultaneously promoting “reproductive health” and we well know what that means. Look at the expose of recent funding to CARE via CRS and the lame argument over what is fungible or not. And then there is the little matter of the latest Motu Proprio issued late last year in which the Pope said, “The Church’s charitable activity at all levels must avoid the risk of becoming just another form of organized social assistance,” and further that bishops must ensure that charitable agencies that pursue ends contrary to Church teaching not be funded. You may individually donate to these charities if your conscience allows - mine is not quite so free, nor am I inclined to dismiss certain connections that glaringly point to agenda-driven goals such as the creation theme which may take a sharp left turn into promoting aspects of the radical green movement.

I’m all for environmental consciousness as long as we remember the entire doctrine of creation, not just that God created, but that He cares for His creation and mankind through Divine Providence. I’m not going to support the “Gospel According to the Earth” and the WWF has me suspicious. We are called to be fruitful and multiply yet this seems to be the nemeses of anything relating to environmentalism (referring to my previous post that Planned Parenthood is the recipient of so much funding.) Odd, huh?

 

[curlycool89]

Many charities funded under the banner of social justice are the ones promoting political ideology and doing it through the legislative process. They may help to provide clean water while simultaneously promoting “reproductive health” and we well know what that means.

Thank you for this comment, because you have completely discredited yourself in front of the entire internet.

You didn’t even look up the charity, did you? Because all they actually do is help poor people get access to water. You can look it up, I even gave you the website. Your prejudice against anything “social justice” or “environmental” means that you can’t even accept that they might be trying to do good for others. All you have shown is that you are dogmatic about your pronunciations and are unable to accept the good people may be doing.

These comments of your tell us that your opinion basically doesn’t matter and we can ignore it because you don’t even know what you’re talking about.

I’m all for environmental consciousness as long as we remember the entire doctrine of creation, not just that God created, but that He cares for His creation and mankind through Divine Providence. I’m not going to support the “Gospel According to the Earth” and the WWF has me suspicious. We are called to be fruitful and multiply yet this seems to be the nemeses of anything relating to environmentalism

[citation needed]

Again, you’re throwing out accusations and conjecture without any proof. Maybe you can convince yourself that all the environmental movement is “out to get you”, but all you’ve told us is basically “trust me” without giving us any reason to do so. Your reasons are illogical and are based on invalid reasoning and unsupported by facts.

I don’t see any reason why I should take your opinion seriously when you’ve backed it up with nothing but conjecture.

 

[Brendan]

I agree with you.

Even the idea of overpopulation is not evil in an of itself.

Sort of. By definition, a Catholic cannot consider the world to be overpopulated. As God creates each individual by a positive act of His Divine Will, there can be no more people on the Earth than God desires there to be.

If anything, due to abortion and violence, there are most likely FEWER people on Earth than God desires there to be.

But there can never be more, and that would be a denial of God’s role in the creation of a new human person.

 

[Tigg]

Thank you for this comment, because you have completely discredited yourself in front of the entire internet.

You didn’t even look up the charity, did you? Because all they actually do is help poor people get access to water. You can look it up, I even gave you the website. Your prejudice against anything “social justice” or “environmental” means that you can’t even accept that they might be trying to do good for others. All you have shown is that you are dogmatic about your pronunciations and are unable to accept the good people may be doing.

These comments of your tell us that your opinion basically doesn’t matter and we can ignore it because you don’t even know what you’re talking about.

Please re-read my post. I clearly cited **CARE ** and altho they provide a clean water and sanitation program, they also provide contraception and promote abortion. CARE said on its own website:
“Effective programming in sexual and reproductive health (SRH) is a vital component of CARE’s work to reduce poverty and social injustice. Improving SRH and addressing the unmet need for family planning are central to CARE’s commitment to poverty reduction and gender equity.”

There is more than one thread about this here and it was covered by many Catholic news agencies. You, of course, may ignore it if you choose.

 

[CatholicGeek1]

Creation is about Adam and Eve. With the SSM heresy running wild people need to be reminded about Adam and Eve, what true natural marriage is all about. It’s very significant that Eve was actually created by God as Adam’s wife.

This is so far off of the topic that it is almost nonsensical. No wait, I take that back, it is completely nonsensical.

 

[livingwordunity]

Creation is about Adam and Eve. With the SSM heresy running wild people need to be reminded about Adam and Eve, what true natural marriage is all about. It’s very significant that Eve was actually created by God as Adam’s wife.

This is so far off of the topic that it is almost nonsensical. No wait, I take that back, it is completely nonsensical.

Are you being sarcastic? The topic of creation is inseparable from the topic of Adam and Eve. And the topic of Adam and Eve is inseparable from the topic of marriage since Eve was created as Adam’s wife.

 

[curlycool89]

Please re-read my post. I clearly cited **CARE ** and altho they provide a clean water and sanitation program, they also provide contraception and promote abortion.

And I was talking about Water.org, a different charity, which you unfairly lumped in with other charities (like CARE) without even thinking about it.

That’s why your opinion has been shown to be invalid, because you don’t actually look at what’s going on before jumping to conclusion. You just see the word “social justice” or “environment” and immediately jump to “population control” or “evil liberal conspiracy” without even checking the sources or substantiating them.

 

[lynnvinc]

Sort of. By definition, a Catholic cannot consider the world to be overpopulated. As God creates each individual by a positive act of His Divine Will, there can be no more people on the Earth than God desires there to be.

If anything, due to abortion and violence, there are most likely FEWER people on Earth than God desires there to be.

But there can never be more, and that would be a denial of God’s role in the creation of a new human person.

You are quite right. And if there is not enough food, then many will starve so the number will come out just right.

As mentioned at present there is enough food, only it is not being distributed so that all get some, resulting in starvation. Pope Francis is calling on us NOW to address this problem and make sure all have sustenance to sustain their lives. (Perhaps we can think of the capitalistic system as doing a fairly good job of this, with the Christian system as the main, overarching system to make sure all who fall thru the cracks get the needful for survival.)

However, in the future if we insist on harming the environment (including food productivity), then there may actually not be enough food for everyone, even if it is strictly rationed.

If you don’t like the term “overpopulation,” then we can use the term “under-resourced,” to indicate there is not enough for all.

The idea that God will provide and drop manna from the sky is … well, it is one of the temptations Jesus overcame in the desert. God has provided plenty, an abundance of material/physical sustenance for all. We are NOT to destroy that! We are to do the needful re environmental solutions and mitigation, joining with all others around the world to accomplish that – whether they be Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim, Christian, or the WWF. JPII said it is the responsibility of everyone. That means EVERYONE, no matter what their ideas, beliefs, or values.

We need ALL hands on deck, working to ensure that life can be sustained on into the future.

If God wants to destroy creation, that’s His prerogative. We should not be engaged in its destruction. We should be good stewards.

Easier said than done

 

[Brendan]

You are quite right. And if there is not enough food, then many will starve so the number will come out just right…

If you don’t like the term “overpopulation,” then we can use the term “under-resourced,” to indicate there is not enough for all.

Easier said than done

We cannot use the term, ‘under-resourced’ either.

Matthew 6:25-38 tells us otherwise. There will always be enough food for the people that God creates.

You are correct that it is a matter of getting the food to those who need it, but the resources will always be there to feed those whom God created.

 

[lynnvinc]

We cannot use the term, ‘under-resourced’ either.

Matthew 6:25-38 tells us otherwise. There will always be enough food for the people that God creates…

IFF people do not destroy their food productivity, such as thru environmental harm. God is not providing less – it is we who are in process of destroying the abundance God has provided us. We need to cease and desist. And I think WYD having “creation protection” as its theme is a great way to inspire the youth and us to do just that

Pope Francis knows the situation and knows what to do…luckily, knock on the wood of the Cross.

 

[Marie5890]

Apr 17, '13 6:00 am
When hundreds of thousands of young Catholics gather with Pope Francis in Rio de Janeiro in July, reflections on safeguarding the environment will be part of the program, reports The Catholic Leader.http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/cathnews/RSS/~4/GGDRQm1dFUI

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[Tigg]

And I was talking about Water.org, a different charity, which you unfairly lumped in with other charities (like CARE) without even thinking about it.

That’s why your opinion has been shown to be invalid, because you don’t actually look at what’s going on before jumping to conclusion. You just see the word “social justice” or “environment” and immediately jump to “population control” or “evil liberal conspiracy” without even checking the sources or substantiating them.

Please re-read my post for accuracy. Regardless of Water.org, (and I commend them if their website is truthful) I said:

**Many **charities funded under the banner of social justice are the ones promoting political ideology and doing it through the legislative process.

Would you like me to list a few more (other than CARE?)