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Of course it is ture – it is Inspired of God, and God does not lie.
The question is in what way is it true? ======================================================================== Does it really matter?God Bless
Of course it is ture – it is Inspired of God, and God does not lie.
The question is in what way is it true? ======================================================================== Does it really matter?God Bless
It certainly does to some – especially those who would try to use science to prove the creation story historically, literally untrue, and have that assertion call in to question the authenticity of the entirety of the Scriptures. This very question is something self-described rational people see as a roadblock to faith, for faith and reason virtually cannot exist in contradiction to one another. We must be prepared to help them remove the stumbling blocks by sharing with them the Truth.javelin:![]()
======================================================================== Does it really matter?Of course it is ture – it is Inspired of God, and God does not lie.
The question is in what way is it true?God Bless
Catholic Answers said:Adam and Eve: Real People
It is equally impermissible to dismiss the story of Adam and Eve and the fall (Gen. 2–3) as a fiction. A question often raised in this context is whether the human race descended from an original pair of two human beings (a teaching known as monogenism) or a pool of early human couples (a teaching known as polygenism).
In this regard, Pope Pius XII stated: “When, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains either that after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parents of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now, it is in no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the teaching authority of the Church proposed with regard to original sin which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam in which through generation is passed onto all and is in everyone as his own” (Humani Generis 37).
The story of the creation and fall of man is a true one, even if not written entirely according to modern literary techniques. The *Catechism *states, “The account of the fall in Genesis 3 uses figurative language, but affirms a primeval event, a deed that took place at the beginning of the history of man. Revelation gives us the certainty of faith that the whole of human history is marked by the original fault freely committed by our first parents” (CCC 390).
I’m not aware of any official teaching which suggests you cannot be a literal 6 day creationist . . . although it begs several questions . . .Hi
As Catholics Are We Free To Take Genesis Literaly. I Am Talking About Believing In A Literal 6 Day Creation And In A World Wide Flood In Noah’s Day, Etc. Has The Church Always Been Open To Theistic Evolution In Its Official Teaching Or Is That A Fairly New Idea. Thanks
He did say what he meant. And what he meant was poetry. One has to remember that the Hebrew word Yom doesn’t always mean 24 hour day. And since this is poetry, things tend to be figurative.Hi
I Understand That There Are Different Types Of Literature In Scripture. Eg, When I Teach The Proverbs I Teach Them As General Truths Because That Is What A Proverb Is. However I See No Reason To Reject The Literal Interpretation Of Genesis. As For The Age Of The Earth God Obviously Created Everything With The Appearance Of Age As He Did With Adam And Eve. The Fossil Records Can Easily Be Explained By A World Wide Flood, Which Of Course Has Also Been Called Into Question By Some Bible Interpreters Even Though The Bible Says: Every High Mountain Under All The Earth Was Covered With Water. If God Did Not Mean What He Said Why Did He Not Say What He Meant.
Michael
I believe that it is also Catholic dogma that all of the human race came from a single male and a single female, Adam and Eve. This seems necessary in order for the sin of the one to promulgate to the entire human race.
But I agree with other posters who argue that a literal 6 24-hour day creation is very difficult to reconcile with the scientific knowledge we have of the planet’s history.
The hardest part I have with theistic evolution is at what point is man infused with a soul? And if there was a race of homo-whatevers that at some point evolved into homo-sapiens, how probable is it that there was only one male and female homo-sapien initially, from which the entire human race was spawned? Unlikely, and possibly scientifically disproven, although I have no idea. I don’t see right now another explanation for the origins of humanity from a single male and fenale if theistic evolution is aligned with Catholic dogma.
There is one aspect of the Adam and Eve dogma that I’m not sure of, though. Is it necessarily dogma that we are all offspring of Adam and Eve together? What if there were, say 10 homo-erectus in existence when Adam was born with the genetic mutation that made him human, and was the first to be infused with a soul. Then Eve was likewise born, possibly as an offspring of Adam, inheriting his human genetic trait (his “rib”). Is it dogma that from only these two mating together, the entire human race is formed, or could Adam have his own genetic line, and Eve her own, but not necessarily together? After all, if they each carried the dominant genetic trait making them human, they would bear only human children if they mated with *homo-erectus *partners, correct? This would also help alleviate the scientific criticism of the “single couple spawning the entire race” theory because of the genetic problems that often occur with genetically related people producing offspring.
Does anyone know more on this?
Peace,
javelin
dear javelin
“faith and reason virtually cannot exist in contradiction to one another?” then the handwriting never appeared on the wall in dan.5, and ellijah did not ascend to heaven.
when naaman was told to dip himself in the jordan 7 times to be healed of his leprosy that did not make sense; it was not reasonable, but he believed, and did it anyway and was healed. faith involves believing God even when it does not make sense. limiting the literal interpretation of scripture to those parts which seem reasonable to humans is exactly what the protestnts did last century and it has led to theological liberalism and a denial of much of the word of God.
thanks,
michael
So you are claiming that God is a deceptive God? I absolutely reject that. You can believe that Genesis is a literal history of the earth, but in doing so you will have to reject the scientific evidence against it.Hi
As For The Age Of The Earth God Obviously Created Everything With The Appearance Of Age As He Did With Adam And Eve.
No, the fossil record cannont be explained by a global flood. In fact, there is no geologic evidence of a global flood.The Fossil Records Can Easily Be Explained By A World Wide Flood, Which Of Course Has Also Been Called Into Question By Some Bible Interpreters Even Though The Bible Says: Every High Mountain Under All The Earth Was Covered With Water.
He did.If God Did Not Mean What He Said Why Did He Not Say What He Meant.
Actually, there are some scientist who believe that we sprung from one woman that they have dubbed Eve. They are not neccessarily believers in Christ. Instead they have come to this conclusion from studying the mitrochondria in the cell. I am not a scientist so I have no idea how they arrived at this conclusion..
And if there was a race of homo-whatevers that at some point evolved into homo-sapiens, how probable is it that there was only one male and female homo-sapien initially, from which the entire human race was spawned? Unlikely, and possibly scientifically disproven, although I have no idea.
Does anyone know more on this?
Peace,
javelin
Doesn’t it state in the bible that nature itself bears witness to God’s existence? If God put out fossils just to test our belief wouldn’t he be going against the bible?So you are claiming that God is a deceptive God? I absolutely reject that. You can believe that Genesis is a literal history of the earth, but in doing so you will have to reject the scientific evidence against it.
No, the fossil record cannont be explained by a global flood. In fact, there is no geologic evidence of a global flood.
He did.
Peace
Tim
Perhaps I should not have made such a blanket statement without explaning further.dear javelin
“faith and reason virtually cannot exist in contradiction to one another?” then the handwriting never appeared on the wall in dan.5, and ellijah did not ascend to heaven. when naaman was told to dip himself in the jordan 7 times to be healed of his leprosy that did not make sense; it was not reasonable, but he believed, and did it anyway and was healed. faith involves believing God even when it does not make sense. limiting the literal interpretation of scripture to those parts which seem reasonable to humans is exactly what the protestnts did last century and it has led to theological liberalism and a denial of much of the word of God.
thanks,
michael
Actually, the “God is not a deceptive God” can be used on either side of the argument. Either He tried to deceive us by creating the world with the appearance of age and history, or he tried to deceive us by giving us a story about the creation of the universe that is no literally true.Doesn’t it state in the bible that nature itself bears witness to God’s existence? If God put out fossils just to test our belief wouldn’t he be going against the bible?
His wife would have been another of Adam and Eve’s offspring. Or, perhaps, one of the male children of Adam and Eve mated with Eve herself.Someone answer me this, if there were only Adam and Eve and their offspring existing at the begining of history then where did Cain get his wife?
Thanks!I posted this on another thread but don’t know how to link to it:
I learned these things in the Great Adventure Bible study by Jeff Cavins. He said Catholics are bound to believe the following 9 things in regard to Genesis:
- creation of all things by God at the beginning of time
- special creation of man
- formation of first woman from man
- unity of the human race - we all have common parents (otherwise original sin could not be ‘transmitted’ if we came from a ‘group of people’)
- original happiness of our first parents
- divine command placed upon man to prove his obedience
- man’s transgression of that command at the instigation of the devil by the serpent
- fall of our first parents from the state of innocence
- the promise of a future Redeemerhttp://newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1087776
He didn’t put fossils in rocks to test our belief.Doesn’t it state in the bible that nature itself bears witness to God’s existence? If God put out fossils just to test our belief wouldn’t he be going against the bible?