Agreed, Job is more about the severe limits of our puny explanations, there are some things that will always be mysteries because after all God is God and we’re not. Imho it’s good to be aware of that, to accept it and deal with it. If we evolved then we evolved, Creation is the way it is whether we like it or not.I don’t see anywhere in Job that “God doesn’t interfere with mankind or cause suffering therefore it must be a side effect of unguided purposeless evolution.” If anything, the message is that He does cause suffering (or at a minimum, allows it).
Then they were misguided to think they were immune.I didn’t know that was the very first natural disaster in history…
So what’s your view then, do you think God will cure your cold and get you that new job but not intervene to save starving children? Do you think he grants favours to everyone who’s prayers are sincere enough?There is a vast discrepancy between your understanding and God’s understanding of the ramifications and consequences of constant interventions…
You believe He cannot - or is unwilling to - grant favours to anyone?
Oh, so you’re not one of those who believe the Muslims are Satan worshipping pagans and that the Crusades were justified. (I mean they were started by the Pope and as I’ve been told countless times he is infallible ).Do you believe God favours those who commit atrocities?
Your notion of infallibility is defective. The Popes have made many mistakes when they were not speaking ex cathedra…
It would have defeated the purpose of giving us free will - but then you probably think Hitler - or anyone else for that matter - didn’t have free will…Hitler is a perfect example of this, God had no qualms about Hitler exterminating 6 million of his chosen people.
There seem to be limits to either God’s power or God’s willingness to grant healing. Miracles are often about things that may eventually be explained, such as spontaneous remissions from cancer. What would be really interesting would be to see God causing the arm or leg of an amputee to regrow. That would be a spectacular miracle!You believe He cannot - or is unwilling to - grant favours to anyone?
I’m surprised that a Catholic would entertain the first option.There seem to be limits to either God’s power or God’s willingness to grant healing.
Let me predict your response were such a “spectacular miracle” to appear in the headlines tomorrow - “Evolution must have done it, somehow.”Miracles are often about things that may eventually be explained, such as spontaneous remissions from cancer. What would be really interesting would be to see God causing the arm or leg of an amputee to regrow. That would be a spectacular miracle!
Indeed!I’m surprised that a Catholic would entertain the first option.
God seems to will what is medically possible.In terms of willingness, of course he doesn’t will everything that we want. Is he our servant, or what?
No, evolution does not regrow limbs in mammals. If prayers for amputee veterans caused limbs to regrow, that would quality as a miracle indeed.Let me predict your response were such a “spectacular miracle” to appear in the headlines tomorrow - “Evolution must have done it, somehow.”
There are Eucharistic Miracles:There seem to be limits to either God’s power or God’s willingness to grant healing. Miracles are often about things that may eventually be explained, such as spontaneous remissions from cancer. What would be really interesting would be to see God causing the arm or leg of an amputee to regrow. That would be a spectacular miracle!
Regrettably, I was unable to see anything but the maps. Is there content as well? A description of the miracles?There are Eucharistic Miracles: therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/a3.html
Peace,Ed
I stick with my prediction. You would just attribute it to that particular person having DNA which had evolved enough (through random mutations, of course) to regrow limbs.No, evolution does not regrow limbs in mammals. If prayers for amputee veterans caused limbs to regrow, that would quality as a miracle indeed.
No, because mammals haven’t evolved to regrow limbs like some amphibians. Regrowth of a limb would be a miracle. If you don’t believe that, I can’t help you.I stick with my prediction. You would just attribute it to that particular person having DNA which had evolved enough (through random mutations, of course) to regrow limbs.
So now you claim that mammals have stopped evolving? How interesting.No, because mammals haven’t evolved to regrow limbs like some amphibians.
I saw no such claim. Mammals are different from amphibians; that does not mean that mammals have stopped evolving.So now you claim that mammals have stopped evolving? How interesting.
Define ‘advanced’. Try breathing underwater as long as an amphibian can. Which is the more ‘advanced’? Mammals can do things that amphibians can’t; amphibians can do things mammals can’t.BTW - mammals are generally regarded as more advanced forms of life than amphibians, having occurred much later. Are you now cheer-leading some sort of regressive evolution? De-volution?
So if mammals have not stopped evolving, why is it a miracle if one happens to appear that can regrow limbs? A few unguided and undirected random mutations here and there, and there it is.I saw no such claim. Mammals are different from amphibians; that does not mean that mammals have stopped evolving.
Define ‘advanced’. Try breathing underwater as long as an amphibian can. Which is the more ‘advanced’? Mammals can do things that amphibians can’t; amphibians can do things mammals can’t.
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“seem” and “may eventually be explained” are loopholes for your faith… Yet at the same time you are implicitly demanding coercive miracles that would defeat the purpose of creating us to choose what to believe and how to live.There seem to be limits to either God’s power or God’s willingness to grant healing. Miracles are often about things that may eventually be explained, such as spontaneous remissions from cancer. What would be really interesting would be to see God causing the arm or leg of an amputee to regrow. That would be a spectacular miracle!
So now you claim that mammals have stopped evolving? How interesting.
Silly.
BTW - mammals are generally regarded as more advanced forms of life than amphibians, having occurred much later. Are you now cheer-leading some sort of regressive evolution? De-volution?
How would the miracle of a regrown limb on man defeat the purpose of creating us to chose what to believe and how to live?“seem” and “may eventually be explained” are loopholes for your faith… Yet at the same time you are implicitly demanding coercive miracles that would defeat the purpose of creating us to choose what to believe and how to live.
“seem” and “may eventually be explained” are loopholes for your faith…
No loopholes.
Yet at the same time you are implicitly demanding coercive miracles that would defeat the purpose of creating us to choose what to believe and how to live.
They certainly cast doubt on whether you believe in miracles.Code:*"seem" and "may eventually be explained" are loopholes for your faith...*
No coercive miracles.Yet at the same time you are implicitly demanding coercive miracles that would defeat the purpose of creating us to choose what to believe and how to live.
Why did you bring up the subject of seeing God cause the arm or leg of an amputee to regrow?
It would compel us to believe in a benevolent Power.How would the miracle of a regrown limb on man defeat the purpose of creating us to choose what to believe and how to live?
As opposed to the non compelling miracles?It would compel us to believe in a benevolent Power.
Why?They certainly cast doubt on whether you believe in miracles.
Because it would be amazing and miraculous.Why did you bring up the subject of seeing God cause the arm or leg of an amputee to regrow?