Cremation and Burial

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The Church now allows cremation, but I am told that your ashes are still required to be buried, as opposed to scattered or kept in an urn.

Can someone explain the logic behind this?
 
The Church requires that the cremated remains be treated with respect and dignity so it requires that the cremains to either be buried or placed in a columbarium. The scattering of cremated remains or keeping grandpa on the mantel is seen as neither dignified nor respectful.
 
The Church requires that the cremated remains be treated with respect and dignity it wants the cremains to either be buried or placed in a columbarium. The scattering of cremated remains or keeping grandpa on the mantel is seen as neither dignified nor respectful.
Right. But I guess that’s the crux of my question. It was my understanding, growing up, that Catholics could NOT be cremated to begin with…we are supposed to “bury the dead”.

So, not being cremated and being buried was consistient. But what I wonder is, if you must be buried, what’s the point of cremation?

I’ve seen it handled in many ways. I have actually seen people “prepared” for viewing, then after the wake, cremated, which seems even more odd.
 
Right. But I guess that’s the crux of my question. It was my understanding, growing up, that Catholics could NOT be cremated to begin with…we are supposed to “bury the dead”.
At different points in history, cremation connoted different things. When it meant a denial of the belief in the resurrection it was forbidden. This is still the case. From Canon Law:

Can 1176 §3. The Church earnestly recommends that the pious custom of burying the bodies of the deceased be observed; nevertheless, the Church does not prohibit cremation unless it was chosen for reasons contrary to Christian doctrine.
So, not being cremated and being buried was consistient. But what I wonder is, if you must be buried, what’s the point of cremation?
Well, in many places it is less expensive than embalming and burying in a casket. Sometimes it can be an environmental or simply logistical consideration, such as places with little or no cemetery space. It could also be a consideration when a body is to be shipped long distances for burial “back home.”

So, there are many reason to be cremated that are consistent with also being buried.
I’ve seen it handled in many ways. I have actually seen people “prepared” for viewing, then after the wake, cremated, which seems even more odd.
That is called for in the Funeral Rite-- the body should be present for the funeral Mass.
 
I have actually seen people “prepared” for viewing, then after the wake, cremated, which seems even more odd.
The Church prefers that cremation be done after the Funeral Mass has been celebrated but she still allows Mass in the presence of cremated remains. In that case the rite is altered slightly to remove mention of ‘the body’.
 
Right. But I guess that’s the crux of my question. It was my understanding, growing up, that Catholics could NOT be cremated to begin with…we are supposed to “bury the dead”.

So, not being cremated and being buried was consistient. But what I wonder is, if you must be buried, what’s the point of cremation?

I’ve seen it handled in many ways. I have actually seen people “prepared” for viewing, then after the wake, cremated, which seems even more odd.
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The Church realizes that the cost of a coffin, burial vault, Plot of land is becoming beyond the means of may Catholics. We have no Catholic cemetery near here either. The columbariums at the local parishes is the best we have. The Cremains are to be treated as a body would be.
 
You have to realize the restriction historically wasn’t in essence that burial was THE only way… it was that the body still needs proper respect, even after death. A certain group sprung up to try to snub God by being cremated, in an effort to say “HA! just try to resurrect me now that I’m tiny scattered ashes!” In response to that, the church said cremation was not allowed, specifically BECAUSE it was being disrespectful and showing contempt against God. But after years went by, that group fell away, and many other cultures were discovered where creamation was a traditional burial method and considered very respectfull, not an insult. So the church had to re-state the policy from a simple cremation=bad, to cremation for the original purpose of being against God is bad, but cremation with respect is ok. But that respect still includes the rest of the regular funeral requirements, namely burying the dead.
 
As a related issue to this question. My dear mother passed away just this past Christmas and was cremated. Due to unforeseen expenses, I am unable to properly lay her ashes to rest next to my daddy.

Is there a time limit as to when this must occure?,it may take several months before I can secure the needed funds needed to bury her ashes. I want to do what is right, but the money is just not there right now.
 
You have to realize the restriction historically wasn’t in essence that burial was THE only way… it was that the body still needs proper respect, even after death. A certain group sprung up to try to snub God by being cremated, in an effort to say “HA! just try to resurrect me now that I’m tiny scattered ashes!” In response to that, the church said cremation was not allowed, specifically BECAUSE it was being disrespectful and showing contempt against God. But after years went by, that group fell away, and many other cultures were discovered where creamation was a traditional burial method and considered very respectfull, not an insult. So the church had to re-state the policy from a simple cremation=bad, to cremation for the original purpose of being against God is bad, but cremation with respect is ok. But that respect still includes the rest of the regular funeral requirements, namely burying the dead.
Actually, one could make the case that cremation should be the preferred way…after all, did we not go to church on Ash Wednesday and get ashes on our forehead to remind us that we will return to dust?

I am oddly fascinated by how many deal with death and burial. My wife’s family is fanatical about having a vault. It’s actually funny. At the cemetery, they will practically take turns casually slipping by the vault and knocking on it to “make sure it’s a good solid one”…or how about mausoleums and crypts?

Do any of these things make you “less dead”???

If I am reminded on Ash Wednesday that I am dust and will return to dust, it actually makes sense to be cremated.
 
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The Church realizes that the cost of a coffin, burial vault, Plot of land is becoming beyond the means of may Catholics. We have no Catholic cemetery near here either. The columbariums at the local parishes is the best we have. The Cremains are to be treated as a body would be.
Just buried a beloved family member, using a Catholic Mortuary located on the grounds of our Catholic Cemetery . . . it wasn’t any less expensive than the local secular mortuaries and cemeteries . . . No fancy bells or whistles, but still cost over $10,000.

I don’t know how anyone can afford to die anymore . . . let alone be buried, whether in a Catholic or secular surrounding.

Makes me want to die a hole in the backyard . . .
 
Just buried a beloved family member, using a Catholic Mortuary located on the grounds of our Catholic Cemetery . . . it wasn’t any less expensive than the local secular mortuaries and cemeteries . . . No fancy bells or whistles, but still cost over $10,000.

I don’t know how anyone can afford to die anymore . . . let alone be buried, whether in a Catholic or secular surrounding.

Makes me want to die a hole in the backyard . . .
I think I will opt out and donate my body to science.
 
As a related issue to this question. My dear mother passed away just this past Christmas and was cremated. Due to unforeseen expenses, I am unable to properly lay her ashes to rest next to my daddy.

Is there a time limit as to when this must occure?,it may take several months before I can secure the needed funds needed to bury her ashes. I want to do what is right, but the money is just not there right now.
As soon as possible. Which in your case would mean as soon as affordable. don’t fret, God knows. My husband recently lost an aunt from out of state. She was creamated and will be brought back here in the spring to be buried by her parents. They did not have to buy another plot, she will be buried on top of her parents. I believe the cost was only $120.00. Call the sexton at the cemetery were your father is buried, they will be able to help you out. God Bless you and comfort you in your sorrow.
 
I think I will opt out and donate my body to science.
Hah, if only it were that simple 😃

A quick story.

I own a number of rental houses. Several years ago, when one of them was vacated, I discovered, in a brown paper bag, the cremated remains of someone.

The markings on the box of remains made it clear that this was the remains of someone who had donated their body to (I think it was) the University of Mississippi Medical Sciences department.

Obviously, when they were finished with their research, he was cremated and sent to the next of kin (apparently my former renter).

I carried it around for over a week in my truck, torn over what to do. I thought about burying it in a country cemetery, but I could just see the headline “City Councilmember caught digging in grave yard”…Finally, in desperation, I took it to the city cemetery and asked them to put the remains in the next pauper’s grave they opened, which they said they would do.

I suspect they wound up in the dumpster, but at least is wasn’t “on me”…

So, donating to science may not exactly be “the rest of the story”.
 
Just buried a beloved family member, using a Catholic Mortuary located on the grounds of our Catholic Cemetery . . . it wasn’t any less expensive than the local secular mortuaries and cemeteries . . . No fancy bells or whistles, but still cost over $10,000.

I don’t know how anyone can afford to die anymore . . . let alone be buried, whether in a Catholic or secular surrounding.

Makes me want to die a hole in the backyard . . .
:eek: Oh my that is expensive!! two years ago buried a loved one’s cremains; with that and the cost of the plot (which is mine as well) in a Catholic cemetery with a gravestone cost under 2000 dollars. I just recently paid for my cremation which was $1400 and that includes opening the grave and a stipend.

my condolences for your loss
 
Hah, if only it were that simple 😃

A quick story.

I own a number of rental houses. Several years ago, when one of them was vacated, I discovered, in a brown paper bag, the cremated remains of someone.

The markings on the box of remains made it clear that this was the remains of someone who had donated their body to (I think it was) the University of Mississippi Medical Sciences department.

Obviously, when they were finished with their research, he was cremated and sent to the next of kin (apparently my former renter).
At the university to which my friend’s father donated his body that is one option but the donor or the next-of-kin also have this option at the university’s expense.
 
Well, we live out in the boondocks, and my BIL has a large piece of land out behind his house, bordered by BLM (Bureau of Land Management) property… which means, theoretically, that no one can purchase or build on the land adjacent to his property.

So, when his wife died six years ago, the cost of a traditional funeral was way beyond his means–the plot alone would have cost anywhere from $2000 to $5000, making a gravesite the most expensive piece of real estate anyone will ever own in their life (or death, as it were.) Her life insurance would have covered the cost of traditional burial (barely) but would not have paid for having her remains shipped home (she died at an out-of-state hospital) nor have left anything to help pay off her numerous medical expenses. So she was cremated.

So the family, after ascertaining that it was proper and legal (by both the Church and the county government), decided to use that piece of land behind my BIL’s house as the family plot, with the stipulation that if you want to be buried there, you have to agree to be cremated. If you want the plot down in town, you better have sufficient insurance to cover it.

When my FIL died last July, it cost a little under $2000 for cremation WITHOUT a burial plot or an urn. His cremains were returned to us in a modest, but attractive leather case, which kind of suited Dad (he didn’t like a lot of fuss and no one saw the point of paying upwards of $200 for an urn that was going to be put into the ground). At the funeral Mass (offered by another BIL who is a priest), we had a small table set in front of the altar where the casket would have been, covered with a white cloth, with the leather case on it. We set a crucifix on top of the case, along with Dad’s rosary and scapular, a photograph of Dad and his Bible beside it, and a small arrangement of flowers as a backdrop. It was very simple, very reverent, Father blessed the cremains, and when we went to bury Dad, my BIL had lined the grave with a five-gallon bucket (the kind paint comes in) into which Mom set the case with Dad’s cremains, his rosary and scapular. Father blessed the grave, my BIL sealed the bucket, and each member of the family put a shovelful of dirt back into the grave.

A friend of the family who died a couple months later also opted to be cremated and his cremains were buried at the foot of the grave where they had buried one of their sons fifteen years earlier (THAT funeral almost sent them into bankruptcy) with one of their other sons digging the grave, so as to avoid having to pay the funeral home to do it.

With land at a premium, and funeral costs beyond the ordinary means of most people, cremation makes sense. My FIL’s cremains received the same reverent treatment that his body would have.

Of course, when my DH asked if I wanted to be cremated, I had to be a smart aleck and say, “Oh, just surprise me!” No, actually I told him when he got the box with my cremains, just stamp “Return to Sender” on it and send me on my way, just like we did Dad.
 
Great story.

BTW, cost of the funeral that I mentioned didn’t even include the plot that was purchased twenty years ago. But it did include the opening and closing of the grave, the vault, and chipping in the date on the headstone (which had already been paid for since dad had lay in the companion grave for twenty-some years).

My hubby and I would like to be buried in the same cemetery, but the cost is incredible. The diocese keeps advertising in the diocesan newspaper about financing these services and products, but who wants to pay $100-200 per month for five years on funeral services?
 
As a related issue to this question. My dear mother passed away just this past Christmas and was cremated. Due to unforeseen expenses, I am unable to properly lay her ashes to rest next to my daddy.

Is there a time limit as to when this must occure?,it may take several months before I can secure the needed funds needed to bury her ashes. I want to do what is right, but the money is just not there right now.
The ashes can be held for a reasonable time. They should not be displayed, ie on the fireplace mantle. They should not be placed on a shelf in the garage.
 
The ashes can be held for a reasonable time. They should not be displayed, ie on the fireplace mantle. They should not be placed on a shelf in the garage.
Thanks for your insight on a confusing issue. I have noticed areas at some Catholic churches for “on parish property” burial of cremains. ( I forget the proper word for it, but I think it was in this thread somewhere )

Eventually I will have to deal with my parents as well. They have NO life insurance of any kind. But they do have assets. It shall be an interesting time.
 
Thanks for your insight on a confusing issue. I have noticed areas at some Catholic churches for “on parish property” burial of cremains. ( I forget the proper word for it, but I think it was in this thread somewhere )

Eventually I will have to deal with my parents as well. They have NO life insurance of any kind. But they do have assets. It shall be an interesting time.
When my parents died the funerals were about $2700 total each. My dad’s ashes were held in a wooden mahogany box urn with a custom crucifix attached, until my mothers death a year later. The urn was locked in a small safe used just for that purpose, for that year. Both sets of ashes were brought from FL here by me personally in the one urn. (a lot less expense then shipping a body) They were both placed in the same columbarium space, in the one urn with two separate markers. (a savings of $1700 and $600 opening fee for a second space)
 
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