It looks to be a calculated move by Moscow to reduce the faithful participating.I am an American Orthodox. My question to my Orthodox and eastern Catholic brothers who are more familiar with the Ukraine is as follows: why would an overwhelmingly Orthodox/Greek Catholic region hold a political referendum on Sunday, the first day of the New Creation? Will they at least wait to open polls until after Divine Liturgies have finished?
So you are saying that the majority of the “faithful” in the Crimea oppose unification with Russia?It looks to be a calculated move by Moscow to reduce the faithful participating.
That doesn’t make much sense since the faithful are overwhelmingly Russian speaking Orthodox.It looks to be a calculated move by Moscow to reduce the faithful participating.
Just a note: Crimea was not part of the Ukraine SSR in the 1930’s. Nor is it a historic part of the Ukrainian region (at the time the Ukrainian national identity was coming into its own the region was dominated by the Crimean Tatars under the Crimean Khanate which would later be conquered by the Russian Empire). I’m not saying I agree with Russia (personally I think both sides have acted deplorably and pray that the rule of law may be restored for all), but historical revisionism is counter productive.During the 1930’s Stalin murdered most of the population of the Eastern Ukraine through mass starvation. He replaced the dead Ukrainian population with ethnic Russians who were loyal not only to the Communist Party, but to Stalin. The currant population of the Eastern Ukraine are the decendants of these people. They have more loyalty to “Mother Russia” than to Ukrainia.
The Russian Government is just as ruthless as ever. They know that the European Community, especially France and Germany will do nothing because they are completely dependant upon Russia for their winter fuel…especially natural gas. Even though
Spring is upon us, it is still cold in Europe for 2 more months, and Russia could easily freeze them out.
Plenty of historically Christian countries traditionally held elections on Sundays. People would largely be exempt from work, and would already be in town to hear Mass/Divine Liturgy. In many cases the polling place is even on church property, so that worshippers could vote right after the services.I am an American Orthodox. My question to my Orthodox and eastern Catholic brothers who are more familiar with the Ukraine is as follows: why would an overwhelmingly Orthodox/Greek Catholic region hold a political referendum on Sunday, the first day of the New Creation? Will they at least wait to open polls until after Divine Liturgies have finished?
The rule of law is restored now that the government ousted Yanukovych (who by the way fled the country before he was even ousted).Just a note: Crimea was not part of the Ukraine SSR in the 1930’s. Nor is it a historic part of the Ukrainian region (at the time the Ukrainian national identity was coming into its own the region was dominated by the Crimean Tatars under the Crimean Khanate which would later be conquered by the Russian Empire). I’m not saying I agree with Russia (personally I think both sides have acted deplorably and pray that the rule of law may be restored for all), but historical revisionism is counter productive.
Impossible. That is not a choice is the faux referendum.Maybe they will vote to stay in Ukraine?
Actually only Russia has acted depolably. It has invaded a neighboring sovereign state on the flimsiest of pre-texts. Even the locum tenens of ROC in Ukraine has condemned the action of Russia. There is no moral equivalency here.I think both sides have acted deplorably and pray that the rule of law may be restored for all)
what, exactly, was revisionist?but historical revisionism is counter productive.
This strikes me as a reasonable answer, although as an Anglophone I will stick up for our distaste at holding elections on Sunday.Plenty of historically Christian countries traditionally held elections on Sundays. People would largely be exempt from work, and would already be in town to hear Mass/Divine Liturgy. In many cases the polling place is even on church property, so that worshippers could vote right after the services.
The aversion to voting on Sundays is largely an Anglophone thing, particularly in the New World, where there were significant religious minorities who thought voting to be servile labor prohibited on the Sabbath.
I thought about this yesterday, it is rather alarming. I read most of Patriarch Krill’s comments on this, difficult situation.a political referendum on Sunday, the first day of the New Creation?
Except that he was ousted illegally. The fact that he fled seems to emphasize this. There is no rule of law in Ukraine, only partisans picking and choosing which laws they like.The rule of law is restored now that the government ousted Yanukovych (who by the way fled the country before he was even ousted).
I answered that question quite fully in the post you took this from.what, exactly, was revisionist?
This forum is often quite bad for anti-Russian rhetoric. I still remember quite strongly the hatred poured out on Metropolitan Hilarion when he suggested the best path to unity was working together - he might as well have personally carried out the Holodomor, and sadly it gets that much worse when Russia actually has done something wrong, as in this case.I have seen a lot of anti-Russian hatred on these forums for the past few weeks, if it is this bad on a Catholic website than it must be horrific in Ukraine so it makes sense that they want to re-join Russia.
You quoted from another post, then added some elements of the history of Crimea. If you are suggesting that the quoted history was revisionist, you are dead wrong. If you are suggesting merely that it was not the full story, that is not “revisionist” - any more than your own statement, which leaves out any mention of the mass deportations of Crimean Tatars by Stalin.I answered that question quite fully in the post you took this from.
But there is absolutely no rule of law in Russia, so what is your point? In Ukraine, the gangster government was sent packing after a unanimous vote of impeachment of the PM by the elected Parliament. There were very few if any “partisans” backing him.Except that he was ousted illegally. The fact that he fled seems to emphasize this. There is no rule of law in Ukraine, only partisans picking and choosing which laws they like.
Can you provide a link to this? I recall that Met Hilarion tends to be quoted very favorably here, in particular from his catechism, and on his criticism of the church state entanglement in post Soviet Russia.This forum is often quite bad for anti-Russian rhetoric. I still remember quite strongly the hatred poured out on Metropolitan Hilarion when he suggested the best path to unity was working together…