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Hi Atticus,
I posted for a short while on Mormon threads…I never knew any Mormons in my former state, but met a wonderful small group here…don’t mean to derail…have been reading the posts here…
But I am Catholic my whole life, and will never leave because I automatically and immediately pick up what is lacking in other churches and communities. Nothing can replace the liturgy and rock solid teaching, Mary and the communion of saints, and the history of the faithful. As far as scandals go, past times are an open book; the Inquisition wasn’t opened up until this past decade for reasons I don’t know.
(A Jewish organization started doing research on Pope Pius XII, and had pretty much this negative image of him. They went to the Vatican to search documents and were surprised how open the Church is. They found out the truth about Pius, and can’t understand why the Church doesn’t do more in defending itself. But church life for the clergy is very intense as those faithful are facing Christ and living through Him every day, so they only deal with what they have to do or that what comes up.
This organization is called Pave the Way, and they work to reconcile the various religions. Considering your scope of perspective you may want to check out:
When you talk about what you miss, I can understand as I saw some of that with the Mormons. The only place that consistently is fraternal and joyous and helps their young and teens is the dioceses in Apulia, Italy where St. Pd Pio came from. Apulia is the heel of Italy, and the heel in Catholicism always represents the humble little people.
You can check out my priest friend’s webpage and check out the different things they are doing with their youth and kids on www.pacebenemondo.it.
We are lacking Christian life beyond the Mass and sacraments. We need other Christians who are separated to come back. The Mormons excel in great family and youth ministry, as well as those evangelicals who are delivering young people from drugs, sex, alcohol and waste, as well as the lay ministers of the protestant churches, who if they could understand Catholicism and its place, would be fantastic teachers and comforters and help us more to live in the present.
Alot of times Catholics do have a sense of continuity from the past to now, but we tend to be too reasonable as well, and need some emotion and expression. I think at Mass we do need to be more in the posture of Adoration…so that expressiveness would be needed more after Mass times. The more contemplative side of us tends to accept our crosses of every day life, but some times we loose discernment – our priests should help us with that especially in the confessional but many don’t make use of this sacrament, and so we end up being in the drudges of every day life expressionless and passive, and even depressed as a faith community in many parishes.
There is just too much in our country that is in need of reform of unity, but with the fractured Christian faith, I believe it is affecting everyone. We will never be a positive force in America if we remain divided.
One of the things to help unite is to bring to the light errors and fraud and abuse…wherever it may be. I pray people here will reflect on what you are saying and seek God’s will for them.
I posted for a short while on Mormon threads…I never knew any Mormons in my former state, but met a wonderful small group here…don’t mean to derail…have been reading the posts here…
But I am Catholic my whole life, and will never leave because I automatically and immediately pick up what is lacking in other churches and communities. Nothing can replace the liturgy and rock solid teaching, Mary and the communion of saints, and the history of the faithful. As far as scandals go, past times are an open book; the Inquisition wasn’t opened up until this past decade for reasons I don’t know.
(A Jewish organization started doing research on Pope Pius XII, and had pretty much this negative image of him. They went to the Vatican to search documents and were surprised how open the Church is. They found out the truth about Pius, and can’t understand why the Church doesn’t do more in defending itself. But church life for the clergy is very intense as those faithful are facing Christ and living through Him every day, so they only deal with what they have to do or that what comes up.
This organization is called Pave the Way, and they work to reconcile the various religions. Considering your scope of perspective you may want to check out:
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[www.pavetheway.org](www.pavetheway.org).)You can check out my priest friend’s webpage and check out the different things they are doing with their youth and kids on www.pacebenemondo.it.
We are lacking Christian life beyond the Mass and sacraments. We need other Christians who are separated to come back. The Mormons excel in great family and youth ministry, as well as those evangelicals who are delivering young people from drugs, sex, alcohol and waste, as well as the lay ministers of the protestant churches, who if they could understand Catholicism and its place, would be fantastic teachers and comforters and help us more to live in the present.
Alot of times Catholics do have a sense of continuity from the past to now, but we tend to be too reasonable as well, and need some emotion and expression. I think at Mass we do need to be more in the posture of Adoration…so that expressiveness would be needed more after Mass times. The more contemplative side of us tends to accept our crosses of every day life, but some times we loose discernment – our priests should help us with that especially in the confessional but many don’t make use of this sacrament, and so we end up being in the drudges of every day life expressionless and passive, and even depressed as a faith community in many parishes.
There is just too much in our country that is in need of reform of unity, but with the fractured Christian faith, I believe it is affecting everyone. We will never be a positive force in America if we remain divided.
One of the things to help unite is to bring to the light errors and fraud and abuse…wherever it may be. I pray people here will reflect on what you are saying and seek God’s will for them.
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tghank you
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Sunstone
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Please feel free to comment on the original posts!
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why_me
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why me;6472740:
Second, I have read the Masonic Temple ceremony and attended many LDS Temple Ceremonies. I took part in your (Edited) blood oaths and pulled my wife thru the veil. I know a great deal.
So you can continue your dishonesty on others. You can;t deceive me.
If you say so.I gave a link where it is all explained by a master mason who is a mormon. But if you know more than him, fine.
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I don’t think that it is possible for people to comment on your original post. Most comments on Joseph Smith come from linked sites on this forum. Either, a paraphrase from an antimormon site or a link from FAIR. But your original post was right on target. But it is more for the MAD board than here.
For example, I gave a good podcast about mormons and masons. It had good information in it about the history of masonry in the mormon church and the influence of masonry on JS. And what happens? I am called dishonest.
The catholics who post about Joseph Smith generally get their information from the web and the sites that they glean their information from may not be the most unbiased sites and those sites are rather superficial.
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BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGG
The Gong has sounded. Falun Gongians think Joseph Smith got all his best ideas from the Falun Gong. Gong and Smith are both long-lost lords of Kolob or Kobol or whatever.
The Gong has sounded. Falun Gongians think Joseph Smith got all his best ideas from the Falun Gong. Gong and Smith are both long-lost lords of Kolob or Kobol or whatever.
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Sunstone,
I have read your list of items you thought Catholics should bring up, and they certainly provide a backdrop for intellectualizing one’s way toward whatever belief they want to have about Joseph Smith. When I read such kinds of discussion, I find that I’m grateful for the sifting out process that those kinds of intellectualizing discussions do. When one sincerely considers the implications of the promises in the book of Revelation, one would expect there to be a significant sifting out process with as many possibilities of having the hearts of the people tried and proven as there are kinds of people. Paul was deeply inspired when he wrote the epistle that has been published as 1 Corinthians, and the first through the third chapters have important aspects of distinguishing between intellectualizing and finding spiritual truths, and what kind of leader to look for whether one calls them a “prophet” or whatever.
As for your use of the verses in Hebrews, I love the epistle to the Hebrews and think it has some of the most insightful passages of all the writings of Paul. It is a spiritually mature work. It’s language and depth have a similarity to the language and depth of the apostle John, and show a spiritual maturity with deep insights. The spiritual maturity found in the scriptures is one of the great delights to be found in this world of ours.
Those who lean their ladder against an intellectual wall are perhaps missing out on the spiritual maturity they might have been able to arrive at if they had leaned their ladder against the wall of gaining spiritual conviction and spiritual maturity as they go through the process of sanctification that is the sure process of figuring out who is qualified for the promises in the book of Revelation. So, thanks for taking the time to be one of those doing the intellectual sifting–it’s an inevitable and necessary process–not a problem, at all.
All the best to you as you sift through what your own heart desires in your life. Have a wonderful Easter weekend.
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AtticusFinch
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not true. Again, mine comes from studying the LDS Church, being LDS, serving a mission, and serving in various other leadership positions in the LDS Church
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I hope you are not saying that anyone who rejects the LDS Church is not Spiritual or guided by the Spirit
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ParkerD
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I have not read anyone who has rejected the LDS church who has shown spiritual maturity. It does not come across in how they write, or how they discuss their experiences of life. This does not mean that only LDS have spiritual maturity–it means those who take up the genre of “rejecting” LDS teachings or LDS leaders generally show a spiritual immaturity (in my personal view of it) in their approaches in doing that.
Many spiritually mature people may have differences between their own beliefs and LDS beliefs, but they find enough spiritual satisfaction within their own faith and conviction that they do not find it necessary to belittle others whose faith differs from their own. They have other things on their minds, one would suppose–or they’re off serving which is central to Christ’s message of salvation.
Have a wonderful and peaceful Easter weekend, with deep conviction in your heart that the Savior is Lord of all, and loves all mankind equally, irrespective of their religious preferences.
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Then, you must be an expert.
Let me put it this way, members during the early years knew masonry very well. Some were masons. If JS copied from the masons their ceremony and covenants, these members would have known and other lds members would have known also. In other words, they would have smelled a fish. But they didn’t. Because the explanation is simple and it is found in the podcast.
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Funny, I have not read anyone who has accepted the LDS Church who has shown Spiritual maturity, the gift of discernment, or the ability to not be swayed by deception. It does not come across in how any of you write, debate, or approach the topic of your religion. What comes across is intellectual dishonesty, the inability to stay on topic, and the inability to be honest in your dealings.I have not read anyone who has rejected the LDS church who has shown spiritual maturity. It does not come across in how they write, or how they discuss their experiences of life. This does not mean that only LDS have spiritual maturity–it means those who take up the genre of “rejecting” LDS teachings or LDS leaders generally show a spiritual immaturity (in my personal view of it) in their approaches in doing that.
Many spiritually mature people may have differences between their own beliefs and LDS beliefs, but they find enough spiritual satisfaction within their own faith and conviction that they do not find it necessary to belittle others whose faith differs from their own. They have other things on their minds, one would suppose–or they’re off serving which is central to Christ’s message of salvation.
Have a wonderful and peaceful Easter weekend, with deep conviction in your heart that the Savior is Lord of all, and loves all mankind equally, irrespective of their religious preferences.
I hope you have a wonderful Easter- a tradition started by Catholics and used by Mormons.
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AtticusFinch
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Then, you must be an expert.
If attending many temple ceremonies all over the USA and one in Central America and studying the Masonic temple ceremony qualifies me as an expert…
I hate it when that log gets stuck in your eye…causes you to roll them a lot
Let me put it this way, members during the early years knew masonry very well. Some were masons. If JS copied from the masons their ceremony and covenants, these members would have known and other lds members would have known also. In other words, they would have smelled a fish. But they didn’t. Because the explanation is simple and it is found in the podcast.
Let me put it to you this way. I have attended LDS Temple Ceremonies and have the transcripts from masonic Temple ceremony. They are identical in many respects, including your silly and disgusting blood oaths and Mormons take, and the juvenile secret handshakes that you have to be able to do in order to get to heaven and to wear the funny looking silly underwear.
Is that clear enough for you?
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