Crossdressing and sexual titillation

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I am engaged to a great guy who struggles with crossdressing. When we first started dating, he was intentionally vague about the “struggle” in that I was led to believe he was trying to rid himself of the addiction. It came out much later after we became engaged that the “struggle” was that of being accepted for it, and finding a partner or situation to express it more freely. We have had many casual discussions and tearful arguments on the topic. I finally agreed that I could accept the crossdressing within some strict limits, mainly, he doesn’t do it on his own, he gives up masturbation, and he cant dress up regularly for the marital act. We are at a tentative agreement. He wants to know why “crossdressing is a sin” and I think its not the crossdressing, its the sexual titillation he gets from walking around in women’s panties. Is there any biblical reference besides Matthew (because he’s not looking at other women lustfully, so he doesnt accept it as applicable) that speaks against the pursuit of sexual titillation, even if it doesn’t lead to ‘release’ ? How can I help him overcome it, when feminine lingerie and dresses are literally everywhere, taunting him?

Kat
 
No, there’s nothing in the Bible specifically refering to crossdressing. Your’e engaged, huh? I hope this guy is loaded, 'cause your’e in for a world of hurt.
 
That’s tough. 😦 I’d proceed with your plans to marry very cautiously. I’m not sure it was right of your fiance to be intentionally vague about something like that, especially if he was expecting you to be accepting of it. He should have been honest with you.

I don’t think Scripture addresses cross-dressing specifically, but it is wrong for a husband to pursue sexual titillation apart from his wife. I know I would feel . . . diminished, somehow, if my fiance told me he was going to need something other than me to fulfill him like that. That’s not what sex in marriage is about. It’s about total self-giving, not about seeking pleasure for oneself. In a sense, he IS looking at another “woman” lustfully. After all, porn is inanimate, but the verse still applies, right? He’s turning to something other than you for sexual fulfillment, and that’s not right. 😦
 
I am engaged to a great guy who struggles with crossdressing. When we first started dating, he was intentionally vague about the “struggle” in that I was led to believe he was trying to rid himself of the addiction. It came out much later after we became engaged that the “struggle” was that of being accepted for it, and finding a partner or situation to express it more freely. We have had many casual discussions and tearful arguments on the topic. I finally agreed that I could accept the crossdressing within some strict limits, mainly, he doesn’t do it on his own, he gives up masturbation, and he cant dress up regularly for the marital act. We are at a tentative agreement. He wants to know why “crossdressing is a sin” and I think its not the crossdressing, its the sexual titillation he gets from walking around in women’s panties. Is there any biblical reference besides Matthew (because he’s not looking at other women lustfully, so he doesnt accept it as applicable) that speaks against the pursuit of sexual titillation, even if it doesn’t lead to ‘release’ ? How can I help him overcome it, when feminine lingerie and dresses are literally everywhere, taunting him?

Kat
This is seriously weird stuff. Do you want to marry weird? Weird is what you are getting yourself into. Cross dressing, masturbation, sexual titillation from walking around in women’s panties, taunted by women’s lingerie and dresses?! This is not normal male behaviour. It is seriously disturbed male behaviour. God only knows what other variations on ‘normal’ you may yet discover. God help you when children come along and you are trying to deal with a seriously disturbed individual. Point this fellow in the direction of some professional help, then show some self respect and move on from this relationship.
 
No, there’s nothing in the Bible specifically refering to crossdressing.
Actually, there is Deuteronomy 22:5
“A woman shall not wear an article proper to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s dress; for anyone who does such things is an abomination to the LORD, your God.”
usccb.org/nab/bible/deuteronomy/deuteronomy22.htm

But you might want to read that chapter of Deuteronomy to see the other things which are mentioned. Most Christians ignore many of the prescriptions in Deut 22, for example that the rapist has to marry his victim.

I’m not sure of the incidence of crossdressing among heterosexual males, but its not rare. I think the guy deserves credit for being upfront about it, before he got married. Unfortunately, I am not sure that it is something he can be cured of. Its something he will likely wrestle with all his life, but he can probably contain it within acceptable bounds.
 
Anything that you view as a problem before marriage is a major warning. Each one of those red flags gets far bigger after you are married. Problem behavior is somewhat diminished during courtship. Those boundaries are removed with the final “I do”.
Be very careful.
 
I am engaged to a great guy who struggles with crossdressing. When we first started dating, he was intentionally vague about the “struggle” in that I was led to believe he was trying to rid himself of the addiction. It came out much later after we became engaged that the “struggle” was that of being accepted for it, and finding a partner or situation to express it more freely. We have had many casual discussions and tearful arguments on the topic. I finally agreed that I could accept the crossdressing within some strict limits, mainly, he doesn’t do it on his own, he gives up masturbation, and he cant dress up regularly for the marital act. We are at a tentative agreement. He wants to know why “crossdressing is a sin” and I think its not the crossdressing, its the sexual titillation he gets from walking around in women’s panties. Is there any biblical reference besides Matthew (because he’s not looking at other women lustfully, so he doesnt accept it as applicable) that speaks against the pursuit of sexual titillation, even if it doesn’t lead to ‘release’ ? How can I help him overcome it, when feminine lingerie and dresses are literally everywhere, taunting him?

Kat
If he had a desire to change I would say you can hang in there and see how it goes before you marry him. That’s not an insurmountable problem IF he desires to change. If he does not, then it is clearly insurmountable. It’s not that weird of behaviour, btw. It’s a fetish, and it can be, like all fetishes, treated and resolved. Most everyone has them to some degree. This is why women wear high heels, etc. The attraction to women wearing such items, is considered, a fetish.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_fetishism
 
I would say that his willingness to be open even about that is a good thing, even if the problem is most assuredly a difficult one to face. The main thing to look for is if he is truly trying to overcome the problems or determine if he is trying to normalize them. I think that maybe seeking out a spiritual director for him would be a good start. Maybe even a trusted priest. I have found that any priest who hears confession for any length of time has pretty much heard it all, and can be both dispassionate about the issue and provide solid advice without batting an eyelash.

Of course, as always, I advise prayer. I hope that everything is resolved in short order.

Joshua
 
If you are going to marry this man, pray God he is rich because you might as well be rich if you have to deal with all the agony this marriage will be.
 
I actually had a similar experience, for I too was engaged to a cross-dresser.

I broke up with him, partly because of his addiction and partly because he had been hiding it from me (I found out by accident). He was actually going to marry me without telling me about it.

My advice is to take this very seriously. My understanding is that such addictions are extrememly difficult to overcome. Even if he stops cross-dressing now, what’s to prevent him from starting up again after you’re married? Do you really want to make love to a man dressed in a bra and bikini underwear? What if you have kids and they find out about Daddy wearing lingerie? What kind of impact would that have on them when they’re in their teens?

Difficult as it was to break up with him (and everybody wanted to know why I was breaking up with such a “terrific guy”), it was for the best. I am now married to a man who acts like a man and I couldn’t be happier.

The fact that you are here posting about this indicates you have some serious reservations. Do not ignore those doubts you’re having: they are indeed warning signs. You deserve a marriage that doesn’t have a problem like this. Your future children deserve parents who don’t have a problem like this.
 
This is a complex issue and some of the answers you are getting here are too simplistic. Please PM me for more information if you wish to know more.

There may be underlying causes to his fetish such as sexual abuse as a child.

It is important that if you chose to marry him you go in with eyes wide open. If there is an underlying cause, it must be addressed.

It is treatable though, just like alcoholism is treatable. But like alcoholism it is not curable and only a policy of zero tolerance and not “enabling” the behavior on your part will work, and also perhaps an adaptation of the “12 steps” used by an alcoholic, as this is indeed addictive behavior. But as a previous post says he needs to want to change and you’re likely the only person at the moment who can help make that happen.
 
I am engaged to a great guy who struggles with crossdressing.
Kat, you are brave and strong to share his struggle and yours with us. Thank you, and may you find support in prayer and in word here.

If we take the spirit of Scripture, rather than just the word of it, we find that on the whole Scripture asks us to be chaste in thought, meaning that we keep sexual desire where it is appropriate, namely with our spouse. It is helpful to keep the passions in control by restricting that desire to when it is appropriate, too - in other words if my lovely wife is home sick all day I shouldn’t be fantasizing about her during my 2 p.m. meeting otherwise I’m just frustrating myself.

Likewise, if your beau’s experiencing titillation from the clothing itself, he’s got to be extraordinarily frustrated. It takes a lot of conscientiousness to walk in public and look at a girl who is showing off quite a lot and not descend into lewd thoughts. It does help to think “that could be my daughter in 12 years” and then I’m suddenly pretty disgusted that the 13-year-old is dressing like that. But for him, if there’s just a Vogue on the coffee table, I’d imagine that’s got to be anticipatory, at once exciting and yet dreadful. For his own peace of mind (and indeed, his own soul), he needs to get control over himself and his desires or else be enslaved to them.

I think every man carries scars and has struggles, though some take different forms. That he’s willing to give up masturbation before he gives up cross-dressing entirely is really interesting since I think the former has a strong grip on many men. I wonder if the latter is more an expression of identity rather than just pleasure.

More importantly, what is his understanding of how sin impacts him? This is not just “does he go to Mass” but more importantly how does he embrace the Cross? If this is a struggle (as I have my own struggle) does he accept that it was put in his life as a discipline to humble him and focus reliance on the Lord or does he see it as an issue of identity? Maybe to be more blunt about it, if masturbation were his struggle would his choice be between finding someone to accept him as a masturbator or finding a spouse who is willing to help him conquer it?

Scripture is less specific when it comes to the how of the marital act. Provided the end in mind is genitive and unitive, I think creativity is allowed within reason. A friend of mine found that his wife enjoys when he dresses in a suit (he’s a chef so he never wears suits to work) and runs her a bath to initiate foreplay, for example. Music, candles, massages, having dinner first, whatever turns you on to your spouse is good. I’m open-minded enough to say that cross-dressing isn’t necessarily out but it really needs to be examined in light of the couple as a whole, and especially with you it doesn’t sound like it’s something you’d want in your spouse to begin with. Especially if it’s an addiction, this is something that counseling may help you both with. Any addiction is unhealthy regardless. It’s clear he wants acceptance of it, but does he need acceptance or would he benefit more from addressing the underlying issues?

As one commented, crossdressing is wierd in the sense that is alien to your understanding of how men express their gender - men being men. I don’t like to put a tight box around a definition of manhood because I don’t fit in most people’s notions of being a man - I don’t play sports, I sit with my knees crossed, I do yoga at night, I’m small in stature, don’t care about cars and I prefer going to see a play by Mamet over going to a bar. Some would (and have) called that being ‘effeminate’. At the same time, I try to be a devoted husband and best friend to my wife, a good father to our daughter, a sincere friend, and someone who stands up for those who need it. I’ve faced down as many bullies as an adult as I did when I was a kid. The point is, is your discomfort with his crossdresing only a matter of sexual role or does it extend beyond that? Is it an identity issue where he would fail to embrace the roles you would need in your marriage?

Prayerfully, losh14
 
Actually, there is Deuteronomy 22:5
“A woman shall not wear an article proper to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s dress; for anyone who does such things is an abomination to the LORD, your God.”
usccb.org/nab/bible/deuteronomy/deuteronomy22.htm

But you might want to read that chapter of Deuteronomy to see the other things which are mentioned. Most Christians ignore many of the prescriptions in Deut 22, for example that the rapist has to marry his victim.

I’m not sure of the incidence of crossdressing among heterosexual males, but its not rare. I think the guy deserves credit for being upfront about it, before he got married. Unfortunately, I am not sure that it is something he can be cured of. Its something he will likely wrestle with all his life, but he can probably contain it within acceptable bounds.
Thanks, I don’t regularly read Dueteronomy but I do now remember that verse. I don’t think it is speaking of crossdressing in the modern sense, however, but refers more to idol worship in which certain pagan rituals involved mixing the features of one sex with the dress of the other, hence the abomination. Of course, a person can make an idol of crossdressing itself, although I doubt that’s what the charge in this verse is specifying.
 
how nice.
And having you’re husband running around in women’s panties is nice, I guess? Obviously, this marriage isn’t likely to last, so a little compensation might ease the pain of the inevitable divorce. so maybe it was a nicer comment than you suppose.

Sometimes you have to be blunt with people who appear to be letting their emotions, not their reason, guide their decisions.
 
It is wonderful that you are aware of his crossdressing before you got married to him, it is widely accepted that crossdressing can not be “cured” it is believed to be part of his personality and will cause him much stress and anxiety if it is contained. Even if he is able to give it up for you in the short term, it could and probably will come back even as late as his 40’s. There are many resources on the Web that can give you an insight into this aspect of some men. Some well known organizations are Tri-ess and laura’s playground. This (crossdressing) is NOT an Addiction and can not be treated as such.

I would strongly suggest that you become very familiar with the behavior and expectations of crossdressers, there are many, many successful marriages where both parties have come to some level of understanding and setting of boundaries that are respected. Tri-Ess is dedicated to helping married people in this situation.

Make sure that you are comfortable with this aspect of his personality and that it may recur later in life before you decide to marry him or else you will both go through a lot of pain. Contrary to our concerns, kids adapt to this better than adults because their love is truly unconditional.

I would be happy to share with you the cross-dressing aspect of his behaviour and provide resources if you pm me. I can not however speak to the masturbation component of his behavior.

God bless
 
This (crossdressing) is NOT an Addiction and can not be treated as such.
I think it depends on the nature of it. If it is fetishistic transvestitism, it may in fact be addictive and tied to masturbation and might in fact operate on the same level as porn addiction.

On the other hand if it is gender dysphoria, it might not be. I think it is a complex issue that isn’t all that well understood.

I think of the two gender dysphoria is in fact more worrying as it may degrade to transgenderism or transsexualism and that would inevitably be fatal to a marriage.

You can PM me as well, I have some knowledge in the area.
 
I am engaged to a great guy who struggles with crossdressing. When we first started dating, he was intentionally vague about the “struggle” in that I was led to believe he was trying to rid himself of the addiction. It came out much later after we became engaged that the “struggle” was that of being accepted for it, and finding a partner or situation to express it more freely. We have had many casual discussions and tearful arguments on the topic. I finally agreed that I could accept the crossdressing within some strict limits, mainly, he doesn’t do it on his own, he gives up masturbation, and he cant dress up regularly for the marital act. We are at a tentative agreement. He wants to know why “crossdressing is a sin” and I think its not the crossdressing, its the sexual titillation he gets from walking around in women’s panties. Is there any biblical reference besides Matthew (because he’s not looking at other women lustfully, so he doesnt accept it as applicable) that speaks against the pursuit of sexual titillation, even if it doesn’t lead to ‘release’ ? How can I help him overcome it, when feminine lingerie and dresses are literally everywhere, taunting him?

Kat
Time for a bible study:

Ephesians Chapter 5:

*Be subordinate to one another out of reverence for Christ. Wives should be subordinate to their husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is head of his wife just as Christ is head of the church, he himself the savior of the body. As the church is subordinate to Christ, so wives should be subordinate to their husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ loved the church and handed himself over for her to sanctify her, cleansing her by the bath of water with the word, that he might present to himself the church in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish.
So (also) husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no one hates his own flesh but rather nourishes and cherishes it, even as Christ does the church, because we are members of his body.
“For this reason a man shall leave (his) father and (his) mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.”
This is a great mystery, but I speak in reference to Christ and the church.
In any case, each one of you should love his wife as himself, and the wife should respect her husband.
*

I think that you really need to take some time to “dive into” this verse and see how it relates to you and the situation that you are in right now. We (as husbands) are called to love our wives as Christ loved the Church. If this man becomes your husband, can he do that? Christ died for his bride the Church, will he die (to himself) for love of you?
 
Thanks for all of your replies. It seems even in the devout Catholic community, there is still some grey area on this issue. I understand there is little/no specific reference to crossdressing in the bible, which was stated in my original post. I think more what I’m asking for, are resources about sexual purity, that mention the act of crossdressing, or really, “transvetism” within the realm of impurity. The dresses do not bother me so much. When we are married, as long as all of the other requirement for a chaste sexual relationship are adhered to, I have no problem with the occasional use of women’s clothes in our lovemaking. I myself suffer from sexual impurity, and currently I am engaged in prayer, confession, biblical study, and the like to attain the goal of chastity. He is a convert to Catholicism, but the constant (and sometimes petty) bitter disputes over major issues in the Church are still an obstacle for him. He says he is certain he made the right decision, though. He previously promised to get rid of the dresses and choose “God and dearest friend” over his desire for crossdressing, but (coming from a tradition without priestly confession, and the eroneous concept of "once saved, always saved) his failures since his initial promise are leading him back towards the attitude of “this is something I can’t change, its who I am” . He is rather shy, has difficulty seeking out new relationships, and is thus hindered in finding a better way to deal with the problem through accountability.(Not to mention, very few support groups address cross-dressers trying to overcome their strong urges, guilt, and depression when NOT dressing) He has been to confession about it. He does call me when he feels the urge to dress, or when he has stumbled and given into temptation, which I take as a very good sign. The dresses do not always lead to masturbation, and after the initial stimulation, he loses an erection naturally and enjoys the psychological comfort of wearing the clothes (which matters not to me, but he feels there is a difference.) I just want to try one more time, helping him understand this is a sexual purity issue, and sexual purity is essential to salvation. However, left unchecked, this “most harmless addiction” as the secular world describes it, can easily lead to gender dysmorphia, that he claims does not affect him right now. If soon he does not give indication that God is above his desire to cross-dressing, I will leave the relationship. I care for him deeply, and in the time of uncertainty, I think he is more open to the truth, if only he could be certain what that was. If you do not know of any reference material discussing sexual purity or overcoming the cross-dressing/transvetism desire, there is little need to reply to this post. I am aware of the many factors of this situation.
 
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