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Good point–thank you.
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A few other things I thought I should clarify:
- I do not oppose women wearing pants per se (though I don’t like it as much as them not wearing pants), provided the pants are not ultra-tight. I was really pointing out that women now wear pants, whereas they haven’t and didn’t for a long time in the history of western fashion.
- I am not crossdressing just to “get my jollies.”
- Back in the middle ages it was common for men to wear silk hosiery—I don’t know if that makes a difference though.
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This is curiosity on my part - sorry, this won’t be a helpful post itself. Eep!
Last bit - about cross-dressing.
I knew a guy who was also 100% heterosexual who liked to wear women’s clothes sometimes because he said they were more comfortable and he enjoyed how pretty they looked. He said he had no gender identity issues - he was a man and happy to be one. He loved being a man. He just thought that girl clothes were nice for aesthetic reasons. He also had a lot of us girls flocking around him because he was pretty to look at and we enjoyed his company. I don’t know if it’s right or wrong in that respect, but I do know that many heterosexual men do like women style clothes for aesthetic reasons, and that some women do enjoy seeing men in clothes that would be considered “feminine” by AMERICAN standards. I like guys in kilts, for example. So, is it possible that you’re looking for female attention by dressing up? It’s something to think about - aesthetically, women are drawn to pretty things, including other women and to some “pretty” men. If that’s a possibility, you might want to talk to your priest about it, because it could be the other side of the lust issue.
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- Is it immoral for a man who is heterosexual, doesn’t cross-dress for pleasure, and doesn’t cross-dress in public when on his own, to dress as a woman for performance reasons - to perform a female part in a play, for example, or if someone is a female impersonater, where it’s a man playing the part of a well-known woman? I do know of one man who was a Judy Garland impersonator who was exasperated at anyone who thought he did it for sexual or pleasure reasons - “I’m an actor! I’m dressed up in a costume! Do you get a sexual thrill wearing a stethoscope, Doctor?” Again, the man was 100% heterosexual and only dressed up during his performances, not out in public, and he never tried to pass himself off as a woman under any other circumstances (and besides, the people coming to his shows knew he was a man from the ads for the show).
- A person with XY chromosomes is born physically female. In the uterus, certain hormones during pregnancy trigger “turn on genes” that cause the male body to form as a male. If they aren’t properly triggered, a stunted penis that resembles a clitoris will form, and the testes will not drop, but form inside the body. Physically, he looks female. Genetically, he is 100% male. If his intersexuality is not recognized as a child, is it immoral for him to continue to dress as a woman if he was raised as a woman all his life? Is it immoral for him to have a “sex change,” so to speak, to make his physical gender match his genetic gender when he is an adult?
Last bit - about cross-dressing.
I knew a guy who was also 100% heterosexual who liked to wear women’s clothes sometimes because he said they were more comfortable and he enjoyed how pretty they looked. He said he had no gender identity issues - he was a man and happy to be one. He loved being a man. He just thought that girl clothes were nice for aesthetic reasons. He also had a lot of us girls flocking around him because he was pretty to look at and we enjoyed his company. I don’t know if it’s right or wrong in that respect, but I do know that many heterosexual men do like women style clothes for aesthetic reasons, and that some women do enjoy seeing men in clothes that would be considered “feminine” by AMERICAN standards. I like guys in kilts, for example. So, is it possible that you’re looking for female attention by dressing up? It’s something to think about - aesthetically, women are drawn to pretty things, including other women and to some “pretty” men. If that’s a possibility, you might want to talk to your priest about it, because it could be the other side of the lust issue.
Peace,
Tabsie
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adstrinity
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Well, what’s the difference between a transvestite and a cross-dresser? Wait! Is a transvestite somebody who does it TO appear as the opposite gender?Thank you for your reply but please, don’t assume thing—I am not like Izzard at all, I am not a “male lesbian” or a transvestite.
And sorry, I don’t understand the reference at the end…
As for my comment at the end:
imdb.com/name/nm0000248/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Wood,_Jr.
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ajw16,
I have a friend who is currently dealing with many of the same questions that you are. I do not have the answers, but I will pray that you find the Truth that you are looking for - and I will pray that God give you the grace to stop cross-dressing if that is what you decide to do. In time you’ll find your answers.
God Bless
I have a friend who is currently dealing with many of the same questions that you are. I do not have the answers, but I will pray that you find the Truth that you are looking for - and I will pray that God give you the grace to stop cross-dressing if that is what you decide to do. In time you’ll find your answers.
God Bless
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That’s great. When Macy’s begins to carry the new fall line of frocks and silk stockings for men, then perhaps you can use this comparison. In 2008, in this country (and in most), it is considered deviant at worst, and bizarre at best for a man to dress like a woman. And btw, if it’s nothing more than just wanting the comfort of dressing like a woman, why do male crossdressers never actually DRESS LIKE REAL WOMEN? They dress like exaggerated women, or some version of a female from 50 years ago. I don’t know any women who actually wear stockings, slips, hats, gloves, scarves, etc.
If it’s fabric that interests you, go find the male clothing counterpart and wear that. I feel certain that, in this culture which is geared toward the metrosexual male, you could probably find something just as comfortable (but for a man) as a pair of ladies hose.
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“And btw, if it’s nothing more than just wanting the comfort of dressing like a woman, why do male crossdressers never actually DRESS LIKE REAL WOMEN? They dress like exaggerated women, or some version of a female from 50 years ago.”
This is very true. My company employs mostly women, and of course they dress in all sorts of different, professional ways. But there is one guy (he used to be my manager, and I’m very sorry I didn’t realize he was so troubled), who now crossdresses at work, which is permitted by management for various fairness reasons.
Beyond all the other awkwardness, it is awkward that he dresses and acts in a very fakey way. (Although he has at least stopped dying his hair and doing his makeup to try to look like our female CEO. That was really odd; everybody noticed it and nobody could talk about it at work.) He doesn’t want to wear grubbies and jeans like a woman, or sweat and work hard and worry about kids like a woman. He wants to swan around like a Barbie doll; and even the most fashion-conscious ladies at work (and we’ve got plenty) aren’t as worried about fashion as he is. It’s very sad. We bite our tongues a lot and pray for him.
This is very true. My company employs mostly women, and of course they dress in all sorts of different, professional ways. But there is one guy (he used to be my manager, and I’m very sorry I didn’t realize he was so troubled), who now crossdresses at work, which is permitted by management for various fairness reasons.
Beyond all the other awkwardness, it is awkward that he dresses and acts in a very fakey way. (Although he has at least stopped dying his hair and doing his makeup to try to look like our female CEO. That was really odd; everybody noticed it and nobody could talk about it at work.) He doesn’t want to wear grubbies and jeans like a woman, or sweat and work hard and worry about kids like a woman. He wants to swan around like a Barbie doll; and even the most fashion-conscious ladies at work (and we’ve got plenty) aren’t as worried about fashion as he is. It’s very sad. We bite our tongues a lot and pray for him.
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FRATER_PAVLVS
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O, poor boy!
Clothes are evolving. Hope soon it won’t be an issue. Everybody will be wearing what is comfortable and it’s the same for both sexes. It wonders me why so long time has passed since the invention of jeans and there are still folks who wear something else. Put the practical side first. Women’s clothes are as rudimentary as, say, horsed carriages. Like now horses are used for sport and rest not as transportation, so are skirts to be worn but by umbrella girls. Why wear what is so weird?
As 4 OT, there might have been other reasons for some laws, less fundamental, not stemming from natural law, practical. Old Law is much about public order and safety. It was a law for a nation, like our laws.
I love the tendency of girls embracing more practical clothes. I understand them. But a guy…however as you do it not for practical reasons, rather, for psychological reasons, it’s your personal issue.
It is sin that you see sin in what is no sin.
P.S. Yea, you love writing, I see…
Clothes are evolving. Hope soon it won’t be an issue. Everybody will be wearing what is comfortable and it’s the same for both sexes. It wonders me why so long time has passed since the invention of jeans and there are still folks who wear something else. Put the practical side first. Women’s clothes are as rudimentary as, say, horsed carriages. Like now horses are used for sport and rest not as transportation, so are skirts to be worn but by umbrella girls. Why wear what is so weird?
As 4 OT, there might have been other reasons for some laws, less fundamental, not stemming from natural law, practical. Old Law is much about public order and safety. It was a law for a nation, like our laws.
I love the tendency of girls embracing more practical clothes. I understand them. But a guy…however as you do it not for practical reasons, rather, for psychological reasons, it’s your personal issue.
It is sin that you see sin in what is no sin.
P.S. Yea, you love writing, I see…
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Seems to me I remember Joe Namath wearing pantyhose for a TV commercial.
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Well, I have decided that I am going to try very hard to stop. I got rid of the hosiery I was wearing and confessed it today. I’m still not sure if crossdressing done for reasons other than to get sexually aroused or pass one’s self off as a woman is a mortal sin or not, but it is definitely still a sin, and I thought that I should be on the safe side.
I have come to the realization that a lot of my previous crossdressing, esp. when I was younger, was done for psychological or physical reasons. I have already confessed that, though, so at least I don’t have to worrry about that.
There are so many more important things I need to be worrying about and doing. I have come to realize that my crossdressing was selfish and was standing in the way of my relationship with God. It was a bad habit that needed to be gotten rid of. While I cannot say whether or not I will fall again and crossdress in the future (though I am going to honestly strive, with God’s and my patron saints’ help, to stop once and for all), I can say that I am glad that I have decided to quit and that I am glad that I have confessed it. Hopefully I will be able to avoid the temptation to do it again, and will not have any more problems with it.
Thank you to everyone for your responses. I am indebted to those of you who exhorted me to quit; I think that your advice played a role in my decision to stop. I cannot tell you how glad I am that I have decided to stop crossdressing.
While I will check back here occasionally for new responses, for all of my intents and purposes, this thread is now considered closed.
God bless,
Sincerely,
ajw16
I have come to the realization that a lot of my previous crossdressing, esp. when I was younger, was done for psychological or physical reasons. I have already confessed that, though, so at least I don’t have to worrry about that.
There are so many more important things I need to be worrying about and doing. I have come to realize that my crossdressing was selfish and was standing in the way of my relationship with God. It was a bad habit that needed to be gotten rid of. While I cannot say whether or not I will fall again and crossdress in the future (though I am going to honestly strive, with God’s and my patron saints’ help, to stop once and for all), I can say that I am glad that I have decided to quit and that I am glad that I have confessed it. Hopefully I will be able to avoid the temptation to do it again, and will not have any more problems with it.
Thank you to everyone for your responses. I am indebted to those of you who exhorted me to quit; I think that your advice played a role in my decision to stop. I cannot tell you how glad I am that I have decided to stop crossdressing.
While I will check back here occasionally for new responses, for all of my intents and purposes, this thread is now considered closed.
God bless,
Sincerely,
ajw16
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Nick9
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Cherry5
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I am a new member to this site, I did read all the postings on this thread and found them very interesting as to all the interpretations of sin and the varying degrees of how grave the sin is.
I know this post is quite old now and am curious as to whether the original poster has been able to give up his crossdressing completely. I for one do not see crossdressing as a sin in its self, so long as you are not hurting anyone. It seems obvious from all the postings here that the boundaries are at best gray with respect to the reasons for crossdressing, having said that it would be unnatural for the original poster to live any other way if he crossdressing was an intrinsic part of his being (this is the widely accepted understanding) and the way God made him. Yes I do understand that most will find a crossdressers behavior natural only because they were made differently.
If at the end of the day his crossdressing makes him a better person that is compasionate, loving and help make this a better world to live in (I have seen a few of these individuals) I see no wrong.
It would be sad if the original poster has to live his life in misery just to comply with the “accepted” norms of most people. It would be worth noting that about 50% of crossdresers/transgendered people attempt suicide by the time they are 20 yrs old. Perhaps because they are struggling to conform and be accepted. I believe we are all responsible for putting them in this position.
I believe that God wants us to strive to be the best we can be using all the talents He has given us. Let God be the judge of what is sin and what is not. If what the poster has described of himself is true, he is a gem of a person, I do believe our loving Father will be understanding of his behavior.
I know this post is quite old now and am curious as to whether the original poster has been able to give up his crossdressing completely. I for one do not see crossdressing as a sin in its self, so long as you are not hurting anyone. It seems obvious from all the postings here that the boundaries are at best gray with respect to the reasons for crossdressing, having said that it would be unnatural for the original poster to live any other way if he crossdressing was an intrinsic part of his being (this is the widely accepted understanding) and the way God made him. Yes I do understand that most will find a crossdressers behavior natural only because they were made differently.
If at the end of the day his crossdressing makes him a better person that is compasionate, loving and help make this a better world to live in (I have seen a few of these individuals) I see no wrong.
It would be sad if the original poster has to live his life in misery just to comply with the “accepted” norms of most people. It would be worth noting that about 50% of crossdresers/transgendered people attempt suicide by the time they are 20 yrs old. Perhaps because they are struggling to conform and be accepted. I believe we are all responsible for putting them in this position.
I believe that God wants us to strive to be the best we can be using all the talents He has given us. Let God be the judge of what is sin and what is not. If what the poster has described of himself is true, he is a gem of a person, I do believe our loving Father will be understanding of his behavior.
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This is a well-documented psychological disorder. It needs to be addressed by a competent health professional with expertise in this issue.
Treatment centers around acceptance because it is proven that it is virtually impossible to stop. Those who do try, will “purge” all their feminine attire, only to begin all over again.
A lot of well intentioned, but not very helpful advice (such as “stop crossdressing now dude”), may make things worse, not better. It’s not an issue of sin, it’s an issue of psychological disorder. It can lead to sins of impurity, but not necessarily. Not all crossdressers do it for the sexual thrill.
Moreover, in cases where it does not interfere with normal sexual functioning (i.e. the person does not need this fetish to have normal relations with his wife), it is not a sexual dysfunction, but merely a mild disorder.
Treatment centers around acceptance because it is proven that it is virtually impossible to stop. Those who do try, will “purge” all their feminine attire, only to begin all over again.
A lot of well intentioned, but not very helpful advice (such as “stop crossdressing now dude”), may make things worse, not better. It’s not an issue of sin, it’s an issue of psychological disorder. It can lead to sins of impurity, but not necessarily. Not all crossdressers do it for the sexual thrill.
Moreover, in cases where it does not interfere with normal sexual functioning (i.e. the person does not need this fetish to have normal relations with his wife), it is not a sexual dysfunction, but merely a mild disorder.
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Cherry5
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Sorry, but I find this reference ridiculous, there is absolutely no indication as to where this was taken from and whether it is it the official teaching of the church.
I understand the references to the complications involved with crossdressing, however it does not seem to be something that can be “cured” and is not fully understood. Consequently much of the recommendations in this thread are impractical and can cause more damage than good to the individual.
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Joe_5859
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That’s an examination of conscience, not an infallible list of mortal sins. Certainly, cross-dressing could be a violation of the 6th Commandment. But that’s where the whole examining the conscience aspect comes into play.
FYI, this thread is two years old. The OP hasn’t been around for a year, so he probably won’t be joining the conversation.
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Holly3278
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Whether or not cross-dressing is always a sin, I don’t know. I would think that it would be a sin to cross-dress in public though especially if you are doing so because you want to attract someone of the same sex to you or you are doing it because you get a sexual thrill out of it. However, cross-dressing private may or may not be a sin. I don’t think the Church actually has a teaching on it to be honest. However, I would definitely shy away from it because it clearly is not natural in my opinion. If it has become a big problem, I would seriously consider psychotherapy.
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REDfan4Lyfe
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This is something that I dealt with in middle school. I would seriously consider getting tested for intersexual conditions because that has been the culprit for causing someone to be a transvestite. I pray God blesses you as you read this post.
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Joe_5859
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Just FYI, this thread is 4 years old. The OP hasn’t been active for quite some time, so he probably won’t be reading. But we can pray God blesses him anyway.
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