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antiaphrodite
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thanks for the translation!
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AlanFromWichita
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These people are lemmings. With no leader, they become collectively catatonic because none of them even considers acting differently than others.
What can we learn from this? How can society produce this many losers in one place? What can we do to change this – or better yet is there anything we’re doing to drive this behavior?
We must be careful in driving masses of people toward behavioral conversion. How many of these people ever tried to introduce an original point in a classroom and was ridiculed for it? In times of crisis, we need people to act, not wait to be told what to do.
The song “Flowers are Red” by Harry Chapin shows how we can take a person’s spirit and crush it, to where they sit quietly and do what they are told and don’t even think about having their own ideas. Harry said that he wrote the song after getting a letter from his son’s school that “he marches to a different drummer but don’t worry, we’ll have him in line soon.”
Alan
What can we learn from this? How can society produce this many losers in one place? What can we do to change this – or better yet is there anything we’re doing to drive this behavior?
We must be careful in driving masses of people toward behavioral conversion. How many of these people ever tried to introduce an original point in a classroom and was ridiculed for it? In times of crisis, we need people to act, not wait to be told what to do.
The song “Flowers are Red” by Harry Chapin shows how we can take a person’s spirit and crush it, to where they sit quietly and do what they are told and don’t even think about having their own ideas. Harry said that he wrote the song after getting a letter from his son’s school that “he marches to a different drummer but don’t worry, we’ll have him in line soon.”
Alan
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geezerbob
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Alan, while I generally agree with your conclusions, don’t forget that the same thing has happened here on more than one occasion. The woman who was stabbed to death while 20 or 30 of her neighbors ignored her screams comes to mind. I think that was 30-40 years ago in NY. There was a similar incident not too long after that one but I don’t remember any of the details. Police, psychologists and socialogists are still puzzling over why no one was willing to get involved. Since then, though, I’ve read of numerous instances where people did get involved, so maybe our society has turned the corner on that one.
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kaymart
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I remeber that. Nobody help that woman. Many of us have turned into a society of “Not my problem” or “I’m not getting involved” What people don’t understand is we are all God’s children and it is our duty to help our brother or sister in their time of need, not to turn a deaf ear and a blind eye and go about your daily business.:nope:
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AlanFromWichita
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Dear geezerbob,
I hope you are right. I think society gives children such mixed messages that I can see these people in utter confusion. Of course it is possible that they are just indifferent, as other posters suggested on the original thread, but somehow it’s hard for me to believe that was they primary reason.
Mixed messages such as, we teach little kids “stranger danger” and then we say they have a problem if they are not sociable enough in a room full of people they do not know. In schools we ask children what they think about a topic, then we critique them for not thinking correctly. We ask them what they should do in a situation, and then tell them their plan was a bad idea because it will hurt them and they should have said something else. We do all this in the name of education, which is one of my personal pet peeves, so I see the connection right away between the way we take bright, intelligent young people and systematically convert them to spineless jellyfish, always waiting for others to act or tell them what to do. This is fine if we are training them to be obedient little assembly line workers to feed corporations and make sure they are never without a guide.
Alan
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geezerbob
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I got disgusted with our ed system when my youngest (now 40) was trying to learn the “new math”, only to have to sit down and memorize the multiplication tables after wasting two years trying to learn WHY 5x6=30. Some things we have to know but not necessarily the whys (faith of a sort). However, despite all the bad influences at school, there were enough good influences in and out of school that he turned out okay. Unfortunately, my eldest did not. Junior ROTC in high school helped to undo much of the garbage he was being fed in some of his other classes and I would highly recommend it to all who qualify, even if they might not like it. The military’s leadership courses are based on common sense tried and true principles which don’t seem to work their way into most other courses.
I also think that a good home and church environment, along with a good example being set by both parents, does a lot to offset some of the ideas they are getting at school. On this subject, is it my imagination or does the school system seem to have more than its fair share of liberals, especially in administration?
I also think that a good home and church environment, along with a good example being set by both parents, does a lot to offset some of the ideas they are getting at school. On this subject, is it my imagination or does the school system seem to have more than its fair share of liberals, especially in administration?
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AlanFromWichita
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I agree. In my college, two quarters of ROTC were required. I took a leadership course with them, and I remember Maslow’s heirarchy of needs. Don’t preach self-actualization to a person who is hungry of basic necessities or frightened for life. It really was very good information. We have several military friends, with McConnell AFB right here and all, and I have found them to have a good grasp on concepts of leadership and the difference between following a leader and being a lemming.
The military really has no choice but to use methods that work, as the results are easy to measure. If they did not, we in the U.S. would not be living under the Constitution. It is too late to argue about how liberalism has infected the military when enemy tanks roll into town.
Amen to that. This may not be politically correct, but I finally made the conscious decision not to protect them from outside influences by hiding them, but by experiencing the influences with the children.
I’m pretty sure it does, but it’s hard to tell because news sources I listen to are biased in that direction.
Alan
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