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Since I have been adopting Catholic practices in my prayers, using the rosary and certain set prayers and prayer books and so on, it feels as though my prayertime has become really over crowded. I pray to the Father, and Jesus, and occasionally to the Holy Spirit, but I also ask for intercession from Our Lady and a number of saints who have been influences and helps to me in my journey. Add to that the petitions which are added to daily, I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed. When I was completely protestant, it was worshipping Father God, and the petitions. I don’t want to go back to that starkness, but I need help!
 
Yes. This is a problem for a lot of people. The prayer schedule becomes their master, which in essentially an idol. Or a symbol or process toward the idol of “worldly accomplishment” mode of prayer.

Pray these prayers if you are moved. Don’t buy into a contest of who prays the most devotions or who prays in the most “Catholic” way. The way you used to pray is perfectly good.

There are many ways to pray; my favorite is without words. That would be silent, contemplative prayer. The CCC talks about it in Expressions of Prayer more than vocal and meditative combined and in 2709 says prayer “should” advance to this stage, a stage which finds union with God.

A wonderful book on prayer that covers all kinds of prayer, and was used as a text for introductory prayer classes at a seminary, is Armchair Mystic: Easing into Contemplative Prayer.
 
Maybe you could have a prayer day for example prayers to Jesus on Fridays and Marian prayers on Mondays, have a day for each member of the Holy Trinity and have a day for saints and one for angels.

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The Rosary can be daily still as it’s a great prayer.
 
The best way to enter into daily prayer is to pray the Liturgy of the Hours because it is the prayer of the Church and one of her liturgies: divineoffice.org/. You can also buy Christian Prayer.

Private devotions, such as the rosary, are fine, of course, but it is easy to obsess over them and overload yourself, as you have experienced. I always encourage new Catholics and beginners in prayer to pray the LOTH because it steadies us in prayer, keeps us focused on the Church seasons, feast days, etc. Any other devotions you wish to add are fine. But you should limit these because the object is to become one with God, not to do more devotions. 😉 After praying the Our Father and before the closing prayer in the LOTH we can add our own intentions. I’m sure you will find praying the LOTH spiritually beneficial.
 
Thank you so much, all of you. I feel like a dead weight has been lifted off me - it seemed that everywhere I go on the internet for advice was another person recommending a saint to me and I’ve been a bit of sheep and gone along with it all. LOTH sounds brilliant in terms of discipline. I do love the rosary, so will keep up with that (I do it walking to fetch my kids from school).
 
Very quick question, forgive my ignorance, but it LOTH the same as a breviary?
 
Yes; it’s also called the Divine Office. Have a look at this link:
ewtn.com/expert/answers/breviary.htm

and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, The Liturgy of the Hours, 1174-1178:

The mystery of Christ, his Incarnation and Passover, which we celebrate in the Eucharist especially at the Sunday assembly, permeates and transfigures the time of each day, through the celebration of the Liturgy of the Hours, "the divine office."46 This celebration, faithful to the apostolic exhortations to “pray constantly,” is "so devised that the whole course of the day and night is made holy by the praise of God."47…

vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p2s1c2a1.htm
 
Very quick question, forgive my ignorance, but it LOTH the same as a breviary?
I didn’t mention the breviary because it is a 4 volume set (at least the version for the USA is I don’t know about the UK). The breviary is what priests and religious use–you can use it, but it costs a bit of money and isn’t required for lay people. A shorter version, such as Christian Prayer (again I don’t know if there’s another version for the UK) is sufficient and much easier to use. 🙂
 
If prayer becomes “work” then how about “fasting from prayer?” Sound silly? I’ve heard of saint stories where their spiritual directors even took their rosaries from them. 😉

Like say Wednesdays from 9 until 5, you don’t get to say any “recited” prayers. Or commit to them. Or whatever. Or 7:30, or whatever works. Just imagine if you will; if not then forgettabouttit. One minute before prayer time you’ll be ready to go! 😃

Edit: meanwhile, you know in your heart that your every breath wishes to thank the Lord. The Spirit knows this and since “inspire” means “breathe” then your every breath in and out can be inspirational to you and others. How do you know if it’s working? Know them by their fruits. Check the fruit menu in Gal 5:22-23, and see what menu items you haven’t fully explored yet. 👍
 
If prayer becomes “work” then how about “fasting from prayer?” Sound silly? I’ve heard of saint stories where their spiritual directors even took their rosaries from them. 😉
Sometimes prayer is work–hard to do. This is because of our fallen human nature and bodily weakenesses more than anything else. If any devotion becomes an end in itself, then it ought to cease so that the person can remember that s/he is worshiping God not a devotion.
Like say Wednesdays from 9 until 5, you don’t get to say any “recited” prayers. Or commit to them. Or whatever. Or 7:30, or whatever works. Just imagine if you will; if not then forgettabouttit. One minute before prayer time you’ll be ready to go! 😃
I don’t think this is a good approach because it makes what prayers we pray and when we pray subject to our feelings. Prayer, like eating meals, ought to be a daily exercise that is consistent. We cannot eat nothing but popcorn and candy, for example. We need regular meals that nourish us. Prayer is the same. This is one reason why I always recommend the LOTH, besides it being the daily prayer of the Church.
Edit: meanwhile, you know in your heart that your every breath wishes to thank the Lord. The Spirit knows this and since “inspire” means “breathe” then your every breath in and out can be inspirational to you and others. How do you know if it’s working? Know them by their fruits. Check the fruit menu in Gal 5:22-23, and see what menu items you haven’t fully explored yet. 👍
Again, I can’t agree that this the best way to determind spiritual growth. We aren’t always the best judge of what is beneficial and what is truly causing us to grow in virtue/holiness/love. It’s best to have a spiritual director for making that determination. It’s fine to want to obtain the fruits of the Spirit, it’s another to use them as a gauge against which we decide our relationship with God–something they are not meant to be. 🙂
 
Sometimes prayer is work–hard to do. This is because of our fallen human nature and bodily weakenesses more than anything else. If any devotion becomes an end in itself, then it ought to cease so that the person can remember that s/he is worshiping God not a devotion.
Excellent point! 👍
I don’t think this is a good approach because it makes what prayers we pray and when we pray subject to our feelings. Prayer, like eating meals, ought to be a daily exercise that is consistent. We cannot eat nothing but popcorn and candy, for example. We need regular meals that nourish us. Prayer is the same. This is one reason why I always recommend the LOTH, besides it being the daily prayer of the Church.
That’s OK. I just offered FWIW, with the idea that the particular prayers that are causing anxiety if they are not said, are precisely the ones to skip. Your idea about LOTH is another good way to go, but frankly my wife used to do that and it’s quite a commitment.

I don’t agree though that vocal prayer is the “meat and potatoes” or “bread and butter” or whatever, of prayer. To me, a constant awareness of God and His glory that is evident in everything – which is kind of a contemplative approach to an active life – is my “meat and potatoes.” If I open my mouth and say something that’s gravy. But this is me. Others may take it FWIW. 😉
Again, I can’t agree that this the best way to determind spiritual growth. We aren’t always the best judge of what is beneficial and what is truly causing us to grow in virtue/holiness/love. It’s best to have a spiritual director for making that determination. It’s fine to want to obtain the fruits of the Spirit, it’s another to use them as a gauge against which we decide our relationship with God–something they are not meant to be. 🙂
Can you think of a better measure of spiritual maturity, than the production of spiritual fruit? You shall know them by their fruits? What better way to judge any form of personal-spiritual growth than whether it causes us to be more “fruity” in the spirit?

Getting an SD is very good, but frankly it seems they are few and far between, and most posters on CAF that talked about finding one don’t seem to succeed at it very often. So that’s great advice, but I think it’s OK to go from the heart on this one. If I’m anxious or worried or judgmental or angry or those things Jesus counseled us how to avoid, then I’m not going to produce fruit. If I am at peace and serenity, I will.

I’ve had a spiritual director. He is the one who told me there were other ways to pray than with my mouth moving. Strange I never even heard of contemplative prayer in my decades as an active cradle Catholic, when the CCC says it’s the one that all prayer should lead to.
 
Excellent point! 👍
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That’s OK. I just offered FWIW, with the idea that the particular prayers that are causing anxiety if they are not said, are precisely the ones to skip. Your idea about LOTH is another good way to go, but frankly my wife used to do that and it’s quite a commitment.
This is why my dh and I pray Morning and Evening Prayer only. For lay people the LOTH is more devotional than liturgical. For instance, the hymn and the Psalm prayers need not be recited. Also, the Psalms, etc. may simply be read instead of voiced. This last option is perfectly legitimate for anyone, religious as well as lay people. 🙂
I don’t agree though that vocal prayer is the “meat and potatoes” or “bread and butter” or whatever, of prayer. To me, a constant awareness of God and His glory that is evident in everything – which is kind of a contemplative approach to an active life – is my “meat and potatoes.” If I open my mouth and say something that’s gravy. But this is me. Others may take it FWIW. 😉
Well, recited prayers (note I don’t mean it has to be vocal–they can simply be read 😉 ) are needed by most people because it keeps most of us on track. It’s very easy to let our own thoughts become a substitute for real prayer. Those who have exercised constant awareness usually don’t have that problem, but for most, especially those trying to keep themselves consistent, regular prayer is best. One must “work” ones way up to mental prayer as ones main kind of prayer.
Can you think of a better measure of spiritual maturity, than the production of spiritual fruit? You shall know them by their fruits? What better way to judge any form of personal-spiritual growth than whether it causes us to be more “fruity” in the spirit?
I’m sorry but that wasn’t my point–my fault, I’m sure. 🙂 What I mean is that we ourselves are not always the best judge of our spiritual growth. Using the fruits of the Spirit might actually put some people back because they will be overwhelmed or they’ll think they have gained what they haven’t. Either one is a pitfall we need to be aware of.
Getting an SD is very good, but frankly it seems they are few and far between, and most posters on CAF that talked about finding one don’t seem to succeed at it very often. So that’s great advice, but I think it’s OK to go from the heart on this one. If I’m anxious or worried or judgmental or angry or those things Jesus counseled us how to avoid, then I’m not going to produce fruit. If I am at peace and serenity, I will.
You bring up a good point about SDs. I’m one of those people for whom a spiritual director isn’t really an option, either. Good spiritual reading can fill that gap for most, I think. We’re fortunate to have so much good material available to us in our times. I agree that being at peace is an indication that we are bearing fruit, but again, it is possible to mistake complacency for peace. We need some kind of guide to our consciences, be it our confessor, an SD or the saints’ writings. I don’t think anyone should wing it without some kind of guidance.
I’ve had a spiritual director. He is the one who told me there were other ways to pray than with my mouth moving. Strange I never even heard of contemplative prayer in my decades as an active cradle Catholic, when the CCC says it’s the one that all prayer should lead to.
Which was fine direction for you since he knows you. However, what is fine for one person may not be helpful to another. Most people haven’t a clue what contemplative prayer is–not even meditation. It’s generally best to begin at the beginning, as the OP needs to do, and progress from there.
 
Begin at the beginning! That’s very much what I need to do. This has been a most enlightening thread, thank you.
 
Begin at the beginning! That’s very much what I need to do. This has been a most enlightening thread, thank you.
You’re welcome. Our prayer life does and should progress, but how that progression goes and where it takes each of us is the work of the Holy Spirit. Some people have consolations (a sense that God is present) and others don’t, for instance. God knows what each of us needs. If we feel nothing we should count it a blessing since God is letting us trust him without any consolations. If we have consolations we should thank God for them and live up to them in humility. Give it time and be faithful in prayer. God will lead you and all will be well. 🙂
 
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