Crusade

[marica_mandic]

In Crusade who many people is died?
Christians want with force to spread religion?
Who is commanded with war, the main role?

 

[LilyM]

There wasn’t just one crusade, there were several of them, covering countries from the Baltic Sea to southern Spain to the Middle East.

These different crusades covered hundreds of years, at least from the early 1100s to the late 1400s, so of course LOTS of different people commanded in different places at different times.

It’s really difficult if not impossible to say how many died on each side of all of these crusades.

As for spreading religion by force, most of them began as defense rather than any attempt to spread Christianity by force. For example, Christian pilgrims trying to go to Jerusalem were frequently attacked by Muslims and eventually restricted or forbidden from going to the holy places of Christianity altogether.

 

[marica_mandic]

There wasn’t just one crusade, there were several of them, covering countries from the Baltic Sea to southern Spain to the Middle East.

These different crusades covered hundreds of years, at least from the early 1100s to the late 1400s, so of course LOTS of different people commanded in different places at different times.

It’s really difficult if not impossible to say how many died on each side of all of these crusades.

As for spreading religion by force, most of them began as defense rather than any attempt to spread Christianity by force. For example, Christian pilgrims trying to go to Jerusalem were frequently attacked by Muslims and eventually restricted or forbidden from going to the holy places of Christianity altogether.

Who started frist Crusade?
Who has concept?
Pope?

 

[Scoobyshme]

Who started frist Crusade?
Who has concept?
Pope?

The Crusades were a (very) delayed response to Muslim aggression. Within 100 years of the founding of Islam, all of Catholic North Africa and most of the Middle East were wiped out by Muslim swords. They attacked Europe and were in the middle of Europe before Charles Martel (knicknamed The Hammer) led European forces that forced them back out of Europe. Muslims continued attacking for a couple of centuries or so. They also invaded Italy, sacked the Vatican and dug up the bodies of dead Saints and burned them. But even then, all the Church did was build a big wall around Rome. What finally did it was that the Muslims decided to forbid Christian pilgrims to the Holy Land. That was the straw that broke the camel’s back. The Pope requested a crusade to the Holy Land to take back the Holy Land so that pilgrims could once again venture there. They got a large force together and fought their way to Jerusalem and forced the Muslim army out. That only lasted 100 years, though, because the Muslims reconquered the Holy Land and regained control. There were several crusades after that, each one being less and less successful. The last one didn’t even get started because folks weren’t interested.

 

[LilyM]

Who started frist Crusade?
Who has concept?
Pope?

Well, Muslim warriors invaded Southern Spain in the 700s, and proceeded into France. When this started happening, Christian warriors naturally fought back and attempted to reconquer the bits that had been overrun by the Muslims. So the aims and goals were the same as all the following Crusades.

Of course they didn’t know they were starting something major and important that would last for centuries, so history doesn’t record who the first leaders of this fighting were. Later we do hear of the occasional one who was particularly noteworthy such as Charles Martel in France or Rodrigo Bivar, otherwise known as “El Cid”, in Spain.

What we CAN say is that various Popes later approved and encouraged the idea. Not that they invented the concept of course. The first recorded, it seems, being Alexander II in 1063, who gave an indulgence to Spaniards fighting Muslims in Spain.

The so-called First Crusade (which as I’ve said wasn’t really the start of the Crusades, but was the first one to the Holy Land) was begun in 1095. That was the idea of the Council of Clermont, led by Pope Urban II. Of course Urban could have done nothing on his own. Two influential nobles, Adhemar of Le Puy and Raymond IV, Count of Toulouse, supported him in his idea. Even this wouldn’t have made the Crusades possible except lots of other nobles had similar ideas. Wikipedia puts it like this:

“Aside from Adhemar and Raymond, other leaders he recruited throughout 1096 included Bohemond of Taranto, a southern Italian ally of the reform popes; Bohemond’s nephew Tancred; Godfrey of Bouillon, who had previously been an anti-reform ally of the Holy Roman Emperor; his brother Baldwin of Boulogne; Hugh I, Count of Vermandois, brother of the excommunicated Philip I of France; Robert Curthose, brother of William II of England; and his relatives Stephen II, Count of Blois and Robert II, Count of Flanders. The crusaders represented northern and southern France, Germany, and southern Italy”

 

[valentino]

In Crusade who many people is died?
Christians want with force to spread religion?
Who is commanded with war, the main role?

Thousands.The Church was different in those days and the circumstances in which it existed were different.The Church has changed certain policies down through the centuries to be able to deal with problems facing it.Some policies were wrong and have been admitted as such.But still the Church always remained the chief moral force in the world.The crusades’s aim wasn’t to spread Christianity by force but more for protecting the Church against Take over of land belonging to the Church.The Church was the most powerful establishment in the world during the middle ages and mosst likely to powerful.At times taxes they charged were excesssive and unfair.The Pope gave the orders to go to war.Sadly the Church wasn’t following scriptures as closely as She should have in many cases.

 

[thirddec]

I was going through youtube and the crazy end of worlds; aliens ; NWO; etc end of the tube for a browse of the latest crazy idea but I hit one that was claiming that just like the americans created or encouraged al quaida ( spelling i know ) when it suited them in Afghanistan and it turned round and bit them in the ***. This tube claimed that the Muslim faith was started by the Catholic church as a way to shift the Jews out of Jerusalem so they could take control but that it quickly got out of their controll go figure .

BTW *** is short for donkey

 

[Flavius_Aetius]

I was going through youtube and the crazy end of worlds; aliens ; NWO; etc end of the tube for a browse of the latest crazy idea but I hit one that was claiming that just like the americans created or encouraged al quaida ( spelling i know ) when it suited them in Afghanistan and it turned round and bit them in the ***. This tube claimed that the Muslim faith was started by the Catholic church as a way to shift the Jews out of Jerusalem so they could take control but that it quickly got out of their controll go figure.

Yes I’m sure there was a huge Catholic influence in pagan Arabia at the time

In any case didn’t the First Crusade also occur due to a letter sent to Pope Urban II from the Emperor of the Byzantines when he requested troops from the west to assist him in retaking Anatolia? Apparently he only expected to gain a few thousand Latin Knights and by the end of it was unable to keep his influence under first the peasant crusade and the following crusade led by the nobles of Europe.

 

[marica_mandic]

The Crusades were a (very) delayed response to Muslim aggression. Within 100 years of the founding of Islam, all of Catholic North Africa and most of the Middle East were wiped out by Muslim swords. They attacked Europe and were in the middle of Europe before Charles Martel (knicknamed The Hammer) led European forces that forced them back out of Europe. Muslims continued attacking for a couple of centuries or so. They also invaded Italy, sacked the Vatican and dug up the bodies of dead Saints and burned them. But even then, all the Church did was build a big wall around Rome. What finally did it was that the Muslims decided to forbid Christian pilgrims to the Holy Land. That was the straw that broke the camel’s back. The Pope requested a crusade to the Holy Land to take back the Holy Land so that pilgrims could once again venture there. They got a large force together and fought their way to Jerusalem and forced the Muslim army out. That only lasted 100 years, though, because the Muslims reconquered the Holy Land and regained control. There were several crusades after that, each one being less and less successful. The last one didn’t even get started because folks weren’t interested.

Why so many Christian converted to Muslims. Before they became Muslims they were Christian in Nort Africa, today Turkey …
What is that so powerful in Islam?
Or Christian do not have good way to stop that.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

marica mandic;

Why so many Christian converted to Muslims. Before they became Muslims they were Christian in Nort Africa, today Turkey …
What is that so powerful in Islam?
Or Christian do not have good way to stop that.

Islam was spread mostly through the sword. Many Christians who converted, did so out of fear for their lives.

Also, although Islam allowed other religions such as Judaism and Christianity to exist, they were forced to pay extra taxes.

Also, their businesses would be boycotted by Muslims and so in order to survive financially, some Christian converted.

The first Crusades were called by Pope Urban II in order to defend the Christian Pilgrims traveling to the Holy sites in the Holy Land, and also because the Patriarch of the Byzantines pleaded for help from Rome, as they were being slaughtered by the Muslim Jihadist.

However, as in all wars, evil eventually prevails and the Crusaders transformed into becoming like the enemy they were sent to destroy and in some cases, they were worse.

Jim

 

[Scoobyshme]

Why so many Christian converted to Muslims. Before they became Muslims they were Christian in Nort Africa, today Turkey …
What is that so powerful in Islam?
Or Christian do not have good way to stop that.

Well, you either converted, your you died.

Usually, when the Muslims defeated an area, they killed all of the males who were old enough to fight against them. Then, they made all the women and girls their concubines or wives. Then, they took the young boys and castrated them (ALL external parts!). About 90% of the boys died from this treatment from infection or loss of blood. The ones that remained served as eunuch slaves.

 

[valentino]

JimR-PCdS":Would you say the NaZis prevailed?Would you Say Iraq prevailed in Arab Emirates?Would you say N.Korea prevailed over S.Korea?How does evil always prevail?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

JimR-PCdS":Would you say the NaZis prevailed?Would you Say Iraq prevailed in Arab Emirates?Would you say N.Korea prevailed over S.Korea?How does evil always prevail?

The Nazi’s lost but our military forces ended up committing atrocities which made us on par with the Nazi’s in some ways.

Look into any war, and you’ll see evil committed by both sides. Yet each side was merely claiming self-defense when they decided to go to war.

Nations that chose to go to war generally end up becoming like the enemy they fought against.

Jim