Crusades movie coming soon

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Ridley Scott is making a movie on the crusades called Kingdom of Heaven. Of course the Catholics are portrayed as evil and the Muslims as kindly. It never asks HOW the Muslims took over the Holy Land. Nor does it deal with their repeated attacks and invasions of Christendom. Much less show how Christians were treated as near slaves. Also the movie version of the Da Vinci Code is coming out next year. You know how it treats the Catholic Church.

Remember The Passion? Hollywood said, “gee we will make some religious movies that Christians will want to see”. The pundits said that Hollywood got the message. Uh, right. I have seen no change in the negative presentation of Christianity. So far only anti-Catholic and anti-Christian movies seem to be in the works. Oh, and no one is protesting that these are bigoted or that Christians should not be offended or that we should have editorial control over them.
 
As far as the Cursades movie is concerned I think it will be anti-Islam as well. Some clerics who have read the script aren’t happy with it. I think it will be anti-religious in nature having both Christian and Mulsims as war mongerers. So as to not paint one side in a bad light they will paint both sides in a bad light and offend all of the religions in the movie instead of favoring one:mad:
It won’t be informative on dogma or such it will be more of histrocial fiction like the movie Tittanic the actual history will play as abackdrop to some dopey lovestory.

As far as the Davanci Code get ready for the biggest hit piece on the church since Stigmata and Dogma. Funny how anti-catholic films make little money and flop at the Box office. The Davinci Code has a huge built in audience (The biggest fiction best seller not related to Harry Potter) in several years. So it will probably buck the trend and make a lot of money. Plus it has a great director in Ron Howard so it should be of good quality. (Why Oppie?)😦

I have new one for you. Remember the oh God series with George Burns it was cute and inoffensive as an old guy as God. Hollywood being totally unorigianl as usual will recycle the movie with a real bad twist. God will now be played by an overt radical lesbian - Ellen Degeneres. Yikes!:nope:

Can Hollywood get any more amoral?
I saw the Box office on the anti-christian school movie Saved! as usual no one went to see it and it lost money.
Why does Hollywood continue to make anti-christian films which make no money. The one signficiant christian film which was way pro-catholic and Hollywood’s response is relgious themed movies which attack Christiantiy. Brilliant guys. No wonder the majority of Hollywood movies loose moeny. Studio heads are dopes.
 
Professor Jonathan Riley-Smith, Britain’s leading crusade historian, has already trashed the film. Check out this article in the telegraph:
Academics, however - including Professor Jonathan Riley-Smith, Britain’s leading authority on the Crusades - attacked the plot of Kingdom of Heaven, describing it as “rubbish”, “ridiculous”, “complete fiction” and “dangerous to Arab relations”.
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Amin Maalouf, the French historian and author of The Crusades Through Arab Eyes, said: “It does not do any good to distort history, even if you believe you are distorting it in a good way. Cruelty was not on one side but on all.”
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telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/01/18/wcrus18.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/01/18/ixworld.html
 
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Maccabees:
Why does Hollywood continue to make anti-christian films which make no money. The one signficiant christian film which was way pro-catholic and Hollywood’s response is relgious themed movies which attack Christiantiy. Brilliant guys. No wonder the majority of Hollywood movies loose moeny. Studio heads are dopes.
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Because they create “buzz” and noteriety for the film-maker. At a certain point in their careers, many of them make movies more for each other in their social circle than they do for the viewing public. Even if the movie isn’t that successful, they can stand around at parties and bask in the sensation their movies have caused. If it makes money, so much the better. But primarily it is more about ideology and peer esteem than actual art, or even entertainment.
 
There is a good movie coming out about St. Terese of Liseux: www.theresemovie.com

I think there is really no stopping hollywood’s stupity in makine false and biased movie like this crusade movie and the farenheight 9-11.
I didn’t and WON’T WASTE MY TIME WATCHING HOLLYWOOD MOVIES!!! Every time I do, I am giving $8.00 of my money to support a grotesques and filthy movie industry…the only way to KILL HOLLYWOOD, is to STOP SUPPORTING THEM. Entertainment is a waste of time unless it is true as the “Passion of the Christ” was…but that movie was AWESOME and not “entertainment”, it is an epic of untold and lititless meaning…it is a movie of reflection and emotion and not entertainment.
There is a possibility that a good Christian movie will come out, and that is the only way I wish to spend $ at the theatres.
NO GOOD=NO WATCH.
There are other things to do than go to movies and let our brains rot from the lies and filth.
We could spend time:
Praying…
Help Others…
Cleaning the garage…
Enjoying a good conversation with a friend over a delicious handcrafted and homade beer…
The possibilities are endless:thumbsup:
 
Ridley Scott??? He’s one of favorite directors. 😦

If the flick IS biased…hopefully its in favor of the Christians…I’m in the mood for some some “old school” Arab thrashing… 😃

it’ll also make for some good news fodder when it debuts,…I love hearing all the whiny Muslims state how bad they got it… just like that whack job, Abe Foxman of Anti Defamation League…when he blathered about The Passion…until Michael Medved put him in his place… Cheese with that “Whine”? 😛

Da Vinci Code…sad…one of the many reasons I left my Parish over… I am SO disheartened to see Ron Howard (OPIE for Gods Sake!) to be making this tripe…I thought he was a good Christian guy… I pray for the downright FAILURE of this movie…from losing money to being overbudget to shooting problems…a total failure…as well at the box office.

Oh well…love the sinner hate the sin.
 
Faithful 2 Rome:
Da Vinci Code…sad…one of the many reasons I left my Parish over.
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Elaborate more on that. I hope your not saying a Roman Catholic Parish is endorsing this tripe in any way.

But the case of some RC"s these days I wouldn’t be suprised.
Sometimes I think about joining some Catholic Breakaway group I get so frustrated with liberalsim in some parishes.:mad:

I am calling Mel Gibson and tell him I am joining his church tomorrow. Just kidding.But I can really understand the seperatist catholic sects out there. THe american catholic church is in big trouble people. The faithful are a remnant.
 
This movie seems that it could worsen the problem of terrorism and not help improve relations with Muslims.
 
Well I don’t think they will be playing the movie the Crusades anytime soon in Saudi Arabia they don’t even allow christian churches there. Heck the Crusades could an evangelical compared to what they get which is brainwashing from thier mulahs.

Anyway most Muslim countires won’t even play this movie in their countries. However in parts of Europe where the Isalmic population is exploding (see France, England and Italy.) Some trouble could be had. But on the other hand many people decried the Passion of the Christ as fodder for anti-semetism no fatal incident of anti-semtism took place. And the crazy Islamic Jihad types already hate us they don’t need a movie to plan to kill us. They are planning right now to kill us if they see the movie or not.
 
Hollywood is not only anti-Christ but anti-history. When was the last “historical fiction” movie that was actually historically accurate?

I remember that historians panned Scorcese’s “Gangs of New York.” “Gladiator” was pure fiction. I imagine “Troy” was as well. It looks to me like the recent “King Arthur” flick isn’t even true the the Arthurian legend. Anything by Oliver Stone is pure garbage, historically speaking.

Hollywood will do what Hollywood will do…the real problem is the fact that many people actually believe what they see in movies. The solution is not to coerce Hollywood to change it’s ways but to teach people to think critically.
 
Faithful 2 Rome,

You wrote: “If the flick IS biased…hopefully its in favor of the Christians…I’m in the mood for some some “old school” Arab thrashing”

I read an article on the movie (though I can’t remember where now—hopefully it will come to me), and no, it is not biased in favor of the Christians—quite the opposite.
 
Oh dear, another bad medieval movie… Gee what a surprise!

Well, I try to turn all the bad historical movies into “teaching opportunities.” Even The Passion was useful that way! Maybe I can turn this one into a freshman seminar or something.

Here are a few good historical movies, ones that I use pretty regularly in the classroom. They aren’t perfect, and all of them provide opportunities for students to show that they know more about history than the directors did, but they have good points. I prefer films that have “texts” associated with them that students can read…

Sorceress (also known as The Monk and the Sorceress). Based on a text from the 13th-century Dominican Stephen of Bourbon (the one about Saint Guinefort, available online), and written and produced by an art historian. Well done. Jean-Claude Schmitt’s book The Holy Greyhound is also useful here, but unfortunately out of print.

Francesco, by Liliana Cavani. This (surprisingly) stars Mickey Rourke as St. Francis (and Helena Bonham-Carter as Clare). It’s also closely based on the documentary tradition, especially the Anonymous of Perugia, and the Legends of the Three Companions. Rourke does an astonishingly good job, and the movie is just miles and miles ahead of the appalling Brother Sun, Sister Moon.

The Return of Martin Guerre. Works well in companion with the book of the same name by Natalie Zemon Davis.

The Warlord, starring Charlton Heston. Unfortunately, it contains a “right of the first night” (droit de cuissage) plot, but the feudal stuff is excellent, as is the castle, and the sieges. No good text, though.

The Passion of Joan of Arc, starring Renee Falconetti. Awesome, based on the text of her trial. Avoid the cheesy version with music including the Marseillaise (unless you get the latest DVD which has the GOOD music).

The Thirteenth Warrior, with Antonio Banderas. Ok, this one is less historical than the rest (all the pseudo-Beowulf stuff), but part of it (the beginning) IS based on a medieval text (ibn Fadlan), and is quite well done. So far, I’ve only shown scenes to my students, but I’m thinking about showing the whole thing this fall…

If you want a list of the WORST medieval films, I recommend a visit to Paul Halsall’s list of medieval films. THe Best/Worst categories are at the bottom of the page…

fordham.edu/halsall/medfilms.html
 
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Maccabees:
As far as the Cursades movie is concerned I think it will be anti-Islam as well. Some clerics who have read the script aren’t happy with it. I think it will be anti-religious in nature having both Christian and Mulsims as war mongerers. So as to not paint one side in a bad light they will paint both sides in a bad light and offend all of the religions in the movie instead of favoring one:mad:
It won’t be informative on dogma or such it will be more of histrocial fiction like the movie Tittanic the actual history will play as abackdrop to some dopey lovestory.

As far as the Davanci Code get ready for the biggest hit piece on the church since Stigmata and Dogma. Funny how anti-catholic films make little money and flop at the Box office. The Davinci Code has a huge built in audience (The biggest fiction best seller not related to Harry Potter) in several years. So it will probably buck the trend and make a lot of money. Plus it has a great director in Ron Howard so it should be of good quality. (Why Oppie?)😦

I have new one for you. Remember the oh God series with George Burns it was cute and inoffensive as an old guy as God. Hollywood being totally unorigianl as usual will recycle the movie with a real bad twist. God will now be played by an overt radical lesbian - Ellen Degeneres. Yikes!:nope:

Can Hollywood get any more amoral?
I saw the Box office on the anti-christian school movie Saved! as usual no one went to see it and it lost money.
Why does Hollywood continue to make anti-christian films which make no money. The one signficiant christian film which was way pro-catholic and Hollywood’s response is relgious themed movies which attack Christiantiy. Brilliant guys. No wonder the majority of Hollywood movies loose moeny. Studio heads are dopes.
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Saved
Production: $5 million
Marketing: NA
Revenue $8.8 million

Stigmata
Production: $20 million
Marketing: $29 million
Revenue: $89 million

Dogma
Production: $10 million
Marketing $12 million
Revenue: $30 million

All this is available at Box Office.com
www.boxofficemojo.com/
 
The people who have complained have only seen a draft of the scripts. From what I’ve read and seen the writer and director are trying hard not to take sides but no matter what they do someone will be offended.

Do not go to Hollywood for accurate history. Repeat…DO NOT GO TO HOLLYWOOD FOR ACCURATE HISTORY. Don’t expect it…it won’t happen. Even in the most accurate movies they still have to compress time lines and characters to fit into the movie format. Movies are for entertainment, not the classroom.

The movie will probably do well if only because Orlando Bloom (Legolas in Lord of the Rings, Will Turner in Pirates of the Caribbean) has a mega HUGE fanbase and is one of the hot things in Hollywood right now is the star of the movie. He and Ridley have known each other since his role in BlackHawk Down. He will probably pull the crowds in. Most fan girls won’t care about the history…they only want to go look at Bloom (and I admit he’s kind of cute…)

I hope people don’t protest the Da Vinci code movie. That kind of thing only brings attention to things that should die a slow lingering death. Just because Ron Howard directs it that doesn’t mean it will be a great movie. Anyone remember 'Far and Away"? 😛

dream wanderer
 
Yeah but people are stupid. How many people read books these days they just watch movies for history and watch tv for the news. We live an MTV society.

Most people think Thomas Jefferson wrote the Constition. Try it as a party some time. People are illiterate at history mcuh less Christian histroy which is often ignored outside of Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican circles.

People think Oliver stone’s JFK movie was entirely factual.
People think Roger Moore’s movie Bush Bash was fentirely actual.
A lot of People buy into propoga and on the celluloid.

Ridley Scott Black Hawk Down was a great movie. SO he can make good films hopefully it turns out better than the leaks we are getting.

I agree with you about protesting the stupid Davinci Code. Its makes it worse. Look at the ADL and the Passion they actually helped the film with the controversy let’s not do the same thing.
A warning by the catholic church and from our bishops and Priests that story is problematic and conflicts with the truths of Christian history would not be out of place though. Many catholics are buying this book and beginning to doubt their faith.
This is not good. We need to warn of the falsehood and reducate the flock in some way. But protesting the movie is not the way.

Ron Howards movies are good when they don’t have a dopey Hollywood couple Like Tom and Nicloe taking over his film.
That is what scares me about this film it could be entertaining and good from an artistic standpoint. Everybody likes to unearth coverups and such. ITs the Watergate syndrome that influended our culture with the gotcha can trust the big guys syndrome.
Add that to the suspiscions raised by the Priest scandals. ANd you have anti-catholicism ready to explode in this country. I see the roots of this already in my conversations with non-catholics and its getting worse.
 
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naprous:
Oh dear, another bad medieval movie… Gee what a surprise!

Well, I try to turn all the bad historical movies into “teaching opportunities.” The Warlord, starring Charlton Heston. Unfortunately, it contains a “right of the first night” (droit de cuissage) plot, but the feudal stuff is excellent, as is the castle, and the sieges. No good text, though.
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Loved that one, especially for an early 60’s movie–the actors actually portrayed a 11th century mindset quite well–they did not seem like 20th century people anymore
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naprous:
The Passion of Joan of Arc, starring Renee Falconetti. Awesome,…
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Anything would be better than the travesty and anachronistic disaster of The Messenger. Hank Reinhardt said he heard catcaws of “Burn the witch!” in the theatre. Did like Dustin Hoffman as “The Conscience”
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naprous:
The Thirteenth Warrior, with Antonio Banderas. Ok, this one is less historical than the rest (all the pseudo-Beowulf stuff), but part of it (the beginning) IS based on a medieval text (ibn Fadlan), and is quite well done. So far, I’ve only shown scenes to my students, but I’m thinking about showing the whole thing this fall…
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Oh that’s an awful one–Michael Crichtons retelling of Beowolf further butchered by inept script, directing, and props. A 16th century peascod breastplate in the 8th century??? A tribe of neadrathal cannibals that somehow maintain huge number of horses??? Swordfightinhg out of the baseball bat school of Hollywood peception of medieval martial arts? (exception, the Holmgang was done quite well)
 
It will never replace the original by Cecil B DeMille. But, sequels seldom do.
 
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Maccabees:
Well I don’t think they will be playing the movie the Crusades anytime soon in Saudi Arabia they don’t even allow christian churches there. Heck the Crusades could an evangelical compared to what they get which is brainwashing from thier mulahs.

Anyway most Muslim countires won’t even play this movie in their countries. However in parts of Europe where the Isalmic population is exploding (see France, England and Italy.) Some trouble could be had. But on the other hand many people decried the Passion of the Christ as fodder for anti-semetism no fatal incident of anti-semtism took place. And the crazy Islamic Jihad types already hate us they don’t need a movie to plan to kill us. They are planning right now to kill us if they see the movie or not.
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Correct. There are no movie theaters in Saudi open to the public.
 
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Maccabees:
I saw the Box office on the anti-christian school movie Saved! as usual no one went to see it and it lost money.
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saved actually did very well in profits (it didn’t cost very much to make). it opened on 300 theaters and because it did so well in it’s opening weekend, they released it in 800 more the following week. the movie made almost quadruple what it cost. it wasn’t a good movie and very anti-truth (very relativistic).

i heard that mel gibson might do a movie on the book of maccabees. anyone know anything about this? i think if truly Christian movies are going to be made, we need people good at making movies to do it. whenever a Christian company tries to make a movie and it is done cheaply with bad actors and poor special effects, it sets Christian filmakers back. anyone see the omega code?? (probably not, but i did even though i disagreed with the theology and it stunk). let’s keep encouraging mr. gibson in his choice of movies to make, direct and produce. who cares if he gets rich off of it? we need more people like him and the only way to get them is to support the good movies.
 
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per the post by Ken
Saved
Production: $5 million
Marketing: NA
Revenue $8.8 million

Since a small film like this would have a marketing budget of 2 to 3 million.
In a best case scenario it made anywhere from $0 to 1 million dollars.
We aren’t exactly talking My Greek Wedding here which cost nothing to make and made $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Anti-Christian films don’t make as much money as purely secular films. Its a big turn off to movie goers who might be marginally religious but still respect some aspects of the faith and can see a hate speech in the obvious form.
 
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