Crystal Cathedral has a new name

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triumphguy said:
It’s not the “Truth”, it’s not edifying, it does not add to the thread, it does not enlighten us and it’s a pity you made that comment.
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I agree. I joked with Catholic friends and family beginning more than 5 years ago that the Church should buy what is now Christ Cathedral. When the Church entered into the bidding I made the effort to do two things. I actually visited and walked around the campus and I did a little reading about Philip Johnson’s design philosophy. Both were quite eye opening.

To me there is little “Protestant” (or Catholic) about Christ Cathedral in its current configuration. It’s more or less this remarkable, fairly utilitarian space that will largely be defined by its furnishings. If the remodel is done right, it could easily be one of the top five most beautiful Catholic cathedrals in the USA. And when I say “beautiful” I mean experiencing it in person at the Easter Vigil Mass and not looking at an on-line snapshot.

I wish that those who feel the need to dig into Christ Cathedral would do their homework and not simply react in a knee-jerk manner to that which they do not understand. I also didn’t like the rather rude comment about what one person felt would be the likely absence of confessionals. There was no need to attack Bp. Brown. I’m sure there will be confession rooms.
 
triumphguy said:
It’s not the “Truth”, it’s not edifying, it does not add to the thread, it does not enlighten us and it’s a pity you made that comment.
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The truth does not have to be pleasant to be edifying. What exactly about my statement is untruthful? Are the current occupants of the Crystal Cathedral not of the protestant vein? Is it the trend in most Catholic churches to have sufficient time and interest for at least monthly confession for its members? What exactly did I say that was not truthful or is your method of discussing an issue to insult and call others in the discussion liars?

Perhaps you should consider there is a connection between the disregard of our sacraments (like reconciliation, as the protestants did 500 years ago) and the desire to be modern and “relevant” by buying a protestant “cathedral” and calling it Catholic.

btw there is confession offered at the current cathedral: 1hr 45 minutes per week. If less than 350 people attend the cathedral they would be blessed with 1 minute of confession time per month.
 
Laetus said:
I agree. I joked with Catholic friends and family beginning more than 5 years ago that the Church should buy what is now Christ Cathedral. When the Church entered into the bidding I made the effort to do two things. I actually visited and walked around the campus and I did a little reading about Philip Johnson’s design philosophy. Both were quite eye opening.

To me there is little “Protestant” (or Catholic) about Christ Cathedral in its current configuration. It’s more or less this remarkable, fairly utilitarian space that will largely be defined by its furnishings. If the remodel is done right, it could easily be one of the top five most beautiful Catholic cathedrals in the USA. And when I say “beautiful” I mean experiencing it in person at the Easter Vigil Mass and not looking at an on-line snapshot.

I wish that those who feel the need to dig into Christ Cathedral would do their homework and not simply react in a knee-jerk manner to that which they do not understand. I also didn’t like the rather rude comment about what one person felt would be the likely absence of confessionals. ** There was no need to attack Bp. Brown.** I’m sure there will be confession rooms.
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Pointing out an egregious practice (or lack of practice) is not an attack. It is the truth. The fact the sacrament of reconciliation of offered so little at the current Cathedral can tell us something about the Bishop and how Catholic he will make his new “cathedral”.
 
thedavidwilson said:
Pointing out an egregious practice (or lack of practice) is not an attack. It is the truth. The fact there the sacrament of reconciliation of offered so little at the current Cathedral can tell us something about the Bishop and how Catholic he will make his new “cathedral”.
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You comment was meant at an attack on Bp. Brown. It added absolutely no value much like you putting “cathedral” in quotes. There is no debating that.
 
Laetus said:
You comment was meant at an attack on Bp. Brown. There is no debating that.
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“There is no debating that.”
Well at least we found something that is the truth :rolleyes:

You should separate the man, the office he holds and the actions of that man.

For example we can look at the action of letting a layperson give a sermon (youtube.com/watch?v=Fv_y47x9kSk) and inviting lay people up to the altar for the consecration, and judge that to be wrong based on the teachings of the Church and Canon law. We cannot however judge the bishop himself since we do not know what is in his heart. But regardless of any good intention Bishop brown might have his actions can be judged right or wrong. Sentimentality is not Catholic.

To be fair Bishop Brown is inspiring a lot of good in his diocese youtube.com/watch?v=fHi_VZLtcQ8&feature=relmfu

I am sure he will inspire strong Catholicity in the new cathedral.
 
thedavidwilson said:
btw there is confession offered at the current cathedral: 1hr 45 minutes per week. If less than 350 people attend the cathedral they would be blessed with 1 minute of confession time per month.
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I stand corrected, it would seem. After some checking, it turns out that the cathedral of the Diocese of Orange is actually Holy Family Cathedral, and not, as I had thought, Christ our Savior Cathedral Parish – where, indeed, confessions are listed as “By Appointment” only.

According to Wikipedia, the explanation for the anomalous existence of a “Cathedral Parish” which does not have any connection to the cathedral is this:
In 2001, Bishop Tod Brown first announced plans to build a new cathedral to succeed Holy Family Cathedral. However, soon after, the Catholic Church sexual abuse scandal broke out in the diocese, and Brown deemed it “inappropriate” to raise funds for a new cathedral in light of the scandal. In 2005, the diocese purchased land in south Santa Ana and established Christ Our Savior Cathedral Parish, with the intention of someday building a cathedral on the property. The cost of building a cathedral on the Santa Ana site was estimated to be as high as $200 million, which prompted comparisons to the cost of building the Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels in Los Angeles.
I regret the error.
 
Well if they can keep Barney out of the new Cathedral that would be a good start.
 
ProVobis said:
Catedral de Cristo has a nice Catholic ring to it too, especially in California. Just saying.
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I also agree, it sounds elegant and would have been nice, especially since they weren’t going to consider names like “Our Lady of the Garden.”
 
Wow. Christ Cathedral. It makes the OLD name seem positively pagan. Lol.

Actually I think it’s a name that will go over well with the grieving folks who felt they “lost their church.”

Here in Orange County they had a naming contest for the Cathedral. Holding with the pious Catholic tradition of contests so prevalent at parish carnivals.

Seriously though, I put in a name “Holy Innocents” Cathedral in hope of calling more attention to the Church’s commitment to life.

But ***anytime “Christ” is put first - it’s a good decision.
Good luck to new Pastor Chris Smith who is considering how to renovate the ediface for Catholic worship.

He is considering the placement of the altar, the “Bishop’s Chair” and other things.

I suggest the tabernacle be prominent, front and center, with a RED sanctuary light nearby - and recognizable confessionals that offer PRIVACY (non-face-to-face option) at all times.

MUCH less important (though all right to consider IMO) would be what to do with the organ; and whether stained glass windows would be added (indoors, not replacing the outer structure).

A public blessing and consecration of the building should include a bit more holy water by the spot where the man shot himself (at the “old” altar). And it would be nice to work something out with people whose loved ones are buried at the greater campus.

Other than that, it is a happy day.

I always considered Rev. Schuller’s Church an ally - in that its cross, atop a 13-story tower shines out its witness to this day. Its many ministries - while criticized by some as being “too self-help secular”; or more “possibility thinking” than Gospel centered - nonetheless famously ministered to many.

It was a front porch ministry drawing many unchurched people to a deeper knowledge of God through its Christmas and Easter Pageants, TV programs and novelties like the “drive-in church”.

The area’s youth and young adults were kept out of trouble and guided toward a love of God and neighbor. When my siblings, who’d been a part of such groups, left to start something similar at “down the street” St. Callistus (the “stucco Cathedral”), their friends wished them well instead of haranguing them with anti-Catholic “proof texts” to discourage them (as is done elsewhere sometimes).

Bishop Sheen was once a guest speaker at the CC. And during Pope John Paul II’s 1987 visit to Los Angeles, **Rev. Schuller put up several large TV screens in the Cathedral for people to view the Holy Father’s visit **with other believers (as some of the Pope’s venues were “sold out” as it were).

When asked by local LA TV why he, a “Protestant Minister” was doing this, Schuller Sr. replied (I paraphrase) “He (the Pope) is a great man of God … in fact, I’d like to speak with him to find out what we need to do to be united again.” < I considered this an astounding historical moment, though it went without any media follow up at the time - or as far as I know Ecumenical follow up by the Diocese after!

The 11/18/2011 Orange County Register did report that when Rev. Schuller visited the Vatican he presented Pope JPII with a miniature of the Crystal Cathedral!

ocregister.com/articles/cathedral-327770-diocese-ministry.html

Schuller identified the Church’s affiliation as being “Dutch Reformed” at the time.

Don’t look for live camels in what will now be the sanctuary, or “Angels” flying from the rafters anytime soon. But what was once called a “Hollywood Church in the shadow of Disneyland,” did call people’s attention to Christ. Some of whom might not have looked for Him.

And now it is named for Christ. And will be home to the Eucharistic Jesus.

Hebrews 6:1 Therefore, let us leave behind the basic teaching about Christ and advance to maturity, without laying the foundation all over again: repentance from dead works and faith in God, 2 instruction about baptisms and laying on of hands, resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment. 3 And we shall do this, if only God permits.
 
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