Cultural latin mass

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In the ordinary form of the mass, cultural expressions are incorporated into the mass licitly, is the same possible in the extraordinary form of the mass?
 
filius_Immacula said:
In the ordinary form of the mass, cultural expressions are incorporated into the mass licitly, is the same possible in the extraordinary form of the mass?
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What cultural expressions and what kind of incorporation?
 
Of course. Sacred art and music, vestment style, sacred vessels, are just a few of the things that are always influenced by the culture and nation that are integral parts of the liturgy.
 
JurisPrudens said:
What cultural expressions and what kind of incorporation?
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Well, I have seen licit African Americans and native Americans masses at official form masses, is such phenomena ever seen or at least possible at a Latin mass
 
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Well, I have seen licit African Americans and native Americans masses at official form masses, is such phenomena ever seen or at least possible at a Latin mass
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Yes, there are no borders where the Latin Mass is concerned. It’s celebrated everywhere in one language with the same rubrics and with some minimal culture differences.
 
ProVobis said:
During communion maybe. I don’t know if non-Latin hymns are allowed in the High Mass.
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To the best of my knowledge there was something from the Sacred Congregation of Rites in the late 1950s [1957 or 1958] saying that vernacular hymns were only allowed during low masses and expressly prohibited at high masses. The hymn must also maintain the same character as the part of the Mass [eg hymns during the offetory must maintain a sacrificial tone]. I also beleive I had seen reference that at sung low Masses, missa cantata, the use of vernacular hymns were only allowed if they were used by long standing tradition of over 100 years which the bishop could not supress without undue issue.

In general, the rubrics of the Triditine Mass are much less malleable then in the Ordinary Form. While there might be some room for inculturalization you generally would not see a huge difference between the EF in Paris or a Navajo parish. The consistency of how the Mass is offered across cultures is one of the things that draw many to the EF.
 
In the ‘Tridentine era’ (with centralization of liturgical control after Trent and until Vatican II), there could indeed be inculturation within the Roman Rite if done with papal permission. For instance, the Chinese had permission for some time for priests and servers to wear a distinctive form of headgear all during Mass (instead of clerics wearing birettas and all having to have heads uncovered at various times, especially the consecration). The missions to New France had permission for lots of vernacular and a simplified (more limited) selection of proper texts that often substituted a Native American hymn for the prescribed Roman text. I’m sure there are other examples out there.

But this sort of inculturation is, I think, different from the more local initiative envisioned by Vatican II and subsequent law as well as the freedom present in OF to do things in culturally specific ways when no detailed rubrics exist, a rubrical paucity much less common in the OF. Also, much of what gets passed off as legitimate inculturation nowadays may not actually be licit (sometimes marketing something as an African-American] or Native American Mass more of a ploy to defuse complaints about the illiceity of practices than it is an affirmation that all is legitimate).
 
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