Curious about LDS Divorce

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I’ve been wondering this for years, ever since Marie Osmond got divorced.

A good Mormon couple was married and sealed in the temple at one point and then they got a divorce. What does this mean for:

This particular couple’s celestial marriage?

His status as a god in the afterlife?

Her status as a goddess in the afterlife?

…And, is it true that the celestial marriage will mean that the female (in a normal, non-divorced situation) is perpetually pregnant?

Thank you.
 
adstrinity said:
I’ve been wondering this for years, ever since Marie Osmond got divorced.

A good Mormon couple was married and sealed in the temple at one point and then they got a divorce. What does this mean for:

This particular couple’s celestial marriage?
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A couple who divorces is divorced and may remarry. That is a legal matter, strictly for the sake of the state. In order to affect the ‘Temple’ or ‘celestial’ aspect of the marriage, the ‘sealing’ must be ‘cancelled.’ It CERTAINLY must be canceled before either spouse can marry in the Temple (for “time and all eternity,” anyway) again.
adstrinity said:
His status as a god in the afterlife?
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There is so much wrong with this question that I’m not even going to touch it.
adstrinity said:
Her status as a goddess in the afterlife?
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Same answer.
adstrinity said:
…And, is it true that the celestial marriage will mean that the female (in a normal, non-divorced situation) is perpetually pregnant?
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No.

Thank you.
 
Thank you for the answers. It was my understanding, and, I thought it was you who explained it elsewhere in this forum (this folder) that Mormons become gods but NOT of their own planets (as was being alledged). This is not the case then?
 
adstrinity said:
Thank you for the answers. It was my understanding, and, I thought it was you who explained it elsewhere in this forum (this folder) that Mormons become gods but NOT of their own planets (as was being alledged). This is not the case then?
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I get very tired of the 'Mormons think that they will become gods of their own planets and keep their wives eternally pregnant populating their own world" assininity. Sometimes, when I have had quite enough of it, I return with “I’m aiming for my own universe.”

The thing is, we believe that we may be ‘heirs and joint-heirs’ with Christ (hey, that’s in the Bible and everything), with all that this means. What it does NOT mean is that we will be assigned planets to rule, or that I, as a woman, will be forever subservient to my husband and be kept eternally and celestially barefoot and pregnant.

I think you will notice that I"m being particularly astringent and curmudgeonly about this tonight. I can’t sleep, my knee hurts, and I"m having some major problems with patience.

As in, I have none.

My question to you is this: if you know what I have written and claimed, and have been posting to this particular arena for over 2000 posts, why in the world are you bringing up the 'Mormons believe that God had sex with Mary" chestnut?

You know better than that.
 
WOAH!!! I never brought that last thing up!

I honestly thought you said that, the god but not planet thing.

I am not attacking, I am not baiting, I really want to know and since I trust the Mormons here more than a webpage, I thought it would be an opportune time to ask.

I thank you for the answers and I am so very sorry to hear about your knee leading to your insomnia.
 
adstrinity said:
WOAH!!! I never brought that last thing up!
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You know, you are quite right. Please forgive me. I don’t even know where that one came from, except that it was very late, I was hurting—and not thinking even a little bit straight. (sigh)

there’s nothing quite so embarassing as a screwup this public.
adstrinity said:
I honestly thought you said that, the god but not planet thing.

I am not attacking, I am not baiting, I really want to know and since I trust the Mormons here more than a webpage, I thought it would be an opportune time to ask.

I thank you for the answers and I am so very sorry to hear about your knee leading to your insomnia.
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Evidently it lead to a little insanity. too!
 
Hi dianaiad,

I have been wanting to ask this for a long time. I do not remember where I read and/or heard this; I have been under the impression that a practicing LSD woman can not go to heaven if she is not married. Is this true or false?

Thank you.

Jean
 
Jean_1958 said:
Hi dianaiad,

I have been wanting to ask this for a long time. I do not remember where I read and/or heard this; I have been under the impression that a practicing LSD woman can not go to heaven if she is not married. Is this true or false?

Thank you.

Jean
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It’s absolutely false. As in…not true.

As in…not even remotely true.

However, there is a level of heaven reserved for married people…“neither is the man without the woman, nor the woman without the man…” sort of thing. Therefore, to attain that level, a woman must be married. However, so must a man.

It is a little difficult to sufficiently emphasize the importance of marriage and family to Mormons.
 
Hi dianaiad,

Thank you for clearing that up for me and giving me the correct info.

Jean
 
Mormons have three levels of “heaven” and the highest level, “the celestial kingdom”, is further sub-divided into three levels. The highest of these is “exaltation”, where in a man becomes a god and rules over his own universe and a woman becomes a goddess (one of the consorts to her god-husband, bearing his spirit children for eternity).

A Mormon man cannot become a god without having one or more wives sealed to him for eternity. Likewise, a Mormon woman cannot become the consort of a god-husband unless she has one.

Mormons believe that non-sealed persons can go to the other levels of heaven, just not the highest one.

Hope this helps.

Paul (an ex-Mormon now happily Catholic)
 
It should be said though that Mormons do teach that if woman dies in this life with never having been “sealed” (married), yet lived a righteous life, she will have the opportunity to do so during the Millennial reign. (I believe that is how it goes)

But yes, in order to reach the highest level of the Celestial Kingdom (Exaultation) , men and women have to be sealed to each other.

Men cannot reach the highest level without being sealed to at least one woman, and a woman cannot reach the highest level without beling sealed to a man.

Neither a man nor a woman can reach exaltation and be single. You HAVE to be married/sealed.

That, like the gentleman stated above, is for the hightest degree in the Celetial kingdom only.

The two lower ones, a person can be single.

Marie Osmond: I know she had her first sealing (marriage) to Steven Craig canceled. She had to in order to be sealed to her second husband, Brian Blosil.

Now with her divorce from him, I dont know what the status of her sealing is. Years ago, a woman could only get a cancellation of sealing prior to re-marrying again.

If that policy still holds, then even though she is legally divorced from Brian in the eyes of the law, she is still sealed to him in the eyes of the church.

Brian would not have to seek a cancellation of sealing if he were to re-marry since men can be sealed to more than one woman at a time.
 
Thanks for that clarification, Marie. We should also point out that if a righteous woman’s husband is not righteous enough to merit celestial glory, she and her children will be “given to another” god so that she can be exalted.

The reverse is true for a righteous husband whose wife does not measure up.

Mormons like to say that women are naturally more pure and righteous than men (as a man, I would have to agree), so there will be plenty of unattached celestial women available to become plural wives in the celestial kingdom.

Paul (a former Mormon, now happily Catholic)
 
Additionally, if a single person, through no fault of their own (ie, not too picky, etc), could not marry in this life, they would be ‘assigned’ a spouse for eternity provided they were worthy. Thus, children who have died, could achieve the celestial kingdom.
 
Marie5890 said:
It should be said though that Mormons do teach that if woman dies in this life with never having been “sealed” (married), yet lived a righteous life, she will have the opportunity to do so during the Millennial reign. (I believe that is how it goes)

But yes, in order to reach the highest level of the Celestial Kingdom (Exaultation) , men and women have to be sealed to each other.

Men cannot reach the highest level without being sealed to at least one woman, and a woman cannot reach the highest level without beling sealed to a man.

Neither a man nor a woman can reach exaltation and be single. You HAVE to be married/sealed.

That, like the gentleman stated above, is for the hightest degree in the Celetial kingdom only.

The two lower ones, a person can be single.

Marie Osmond: I know she had her first sealing (marriage) to Steven Craig canceled. She had to in order to be sealed to her second husband, Brian Blosil.

Now with her divorce from him, I dont know what the status of her sealing is. Years ago, a woman could only get a cancellation of sealing prior to re-marrying again.

If that policy still holds, then even though she is legally divorced from Brian in the eyes of the law, she is still sealed to him in the eyes of the church.

Brian would not have to seek a cancellation of sealing if he were to re-marry since men can be sealed to more than one woman at a time.
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A divorced man must have his previous sealing canceled in order to marry again, Marie. A widower need not, however.
 
To clear up what dianad is saying, a man can only (since polygamy was restricted by Pres Woofruff in the late 19th cent or re-enforced by Pres Smith in the beginning of the 20th) be sealed to one woman at a time who is alive. If the spouse has died, they can be sealed again. So, no polygamy on earth, but it’s cool in heaven.
 
aquabatix said:
To clear up what dianad is saying, a man can only (since polygamy was restricted by Pres Woofruff in the late 19th cent or re-enforced by Pres Smith in the beginning of the 20th) be sealed to one woman at a time who is alive. If the spouse has died, they can be sealed again. So, no polygamy on earth, but it’s cool in heaven.
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That’s one way to look at it.

Another way to look at it is to acknowlege that women are expected to be eligible for the Celestial Kingdom in greater numbers than men are.

(grin)

The LDS view of women is, in reality, rather different than most of our opponents believe it is.
 
That more has to do with them being available as plural wives for men in the celestial kingdom. They are subject to the man and him being her “priesthood holder.” Not a very pro-woman stance, seems more “women as property” to me.
 
aquabatix said:
That more has to do with them being available as plural wives for men in the celestial kingdom. They are subject to the man and him being her “priesthood holder.” Not a very pro-woman stance, seems more “women as property” to me.
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Aquabatix,
Realizing you have a tiny bit of a glimpse into Mormonism, you wouldn’t be aware that celestial marriage is a priesthood order that involves both a righteous man and a righteous woman as equal partners, with Christ at the center of that relationship. The woman thus has a leadership role that is not secondary in any way, and of course the idea of “property” comes from your own head.

The topic of how many men or women there will be in the Celestial kingdom is interesting when adding in the understanding that children who died before the age of eight will be there, (and I assume after the age of eight and before they got caught up in the sins of the world also). Given that understanding, and the fact that statistically more male children have been born during the history of the world than female children (which has worked out to balance the population balance given that so many men have died in war conditions), the assumption that there will be more women than men in the Celestial kingdom is not a very valid assumption.

The idea that someone expressed of “arranged marriages” is silly. Spirits live, make choices, converse, and have relationships with others. They will certainly be able to make a choice regarding a marriage as they qualify for such a relationship in the hereafter, and it will be just as joyful and satisfying as are marriages on earth, given the two will become “one” in their unity of purpose and joy of their shared, supportive relationship.
 
ParkerD said:
Aquabatix,
Realizing you have a tiny bit of a glimpse into Mormonism, you wouldn’t be aware that celestial marriage is a priesthood order that involves both a righteous man and a righteous woman as equal partners, with Christ at the center of that relationship. The woman thus has a leadership role that is not secondary in any way, and of course the idea of “property” comes from your own head.
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“I think no more of taking another wife than I do of buying another cow.”
  • Mormon Apostle Heber C. Kimball
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