Adamski, you are free to think whatever you like.
It’s a strange “tone” I pick up from your posts concerning your brothers and sisters in Christ on the “protestant” side of the body. Perhaps God doesn’t love us as much, nor reveal Himself via miracles to us, His children… perhaps, perhaps not.Please send me documentation I would love to see it.
Usually miracles and healings that are mentioned as happening in Protestant Churches are usually found in Pentacostal or Charismatic churches. One must be very very careful because the level of investigation that the Catholic Church has in these matters, does not apply in Pentacostal/charismatic churches and there have been claims of miracles and healing that have turned out to be frauds. Healing type ministries usually run by para-church type groups do not have any investigation and usually publish stories based on face value words and testimonies. Likewise, there are fundamentalist types of groups that claim that miracles and healing ended with the last apostle. This shows you the extreme sides in Protestantism. The other angle is the more mainline and liberal which likewise dont believe in miracles and state those recorded in the Bible are just stories and not facts.
Unless someone can really document all these things you are claiming with real medical tests and reports with the before and then after, this is just rumors and talk. There have been too many fraud cases in this area in the pentacostal/charismatic world. If there is real miracles, then the people claiming them would have proof of it, not just a nice testimony. I’ve been there and done that and one thing I really appreciate about the Catholic church is that any miracle and healing is backed up with real facts.
You will not find those things in any Protestant Church.
Miracles happen to protestants all the time. My Aunt married a man who use to be a Jehovas witness. His entire family converted and became Christian after his mother visited a regular Trinitarian church (I am more than sure Pentecostal) and was healed of a illness. I forget what she was healed of but a doctor told her that she was completely healed of whatever it was. It was not something minor (I need to ask my aunt what it was, maybe I will update later) Well, she went back to their Jehovas witness elders and asked for a explanation as to why she was healed because apparently Jehovas witnesses do not believe miracles ceased to happen after the last apostle died or something. They could not give a explanation.
These people have gone to the doctors and been told that their disease no longer is present in their bodies. What more is needed?
I agree (as a protestant), and I’ve heard of similar things across a broad spectrum of mainline denominations; Methodist, Non-denominational, Christian church, baptist, etc…
proof, real proof. Yes, miracles do happen in Protestant churches but I am highly suspecious of all these “claims” you are presenting. Any one can say in some setting that they have this or that then suddenly they prayed or were prayed for and all of the sudden they feel better and now claim that they went to the Dr. and then suddenly they are cured. The only proof you have is someone’s words and nothing else. I’ve been there and seen that and having all these claims are just that claims. The Catholic Church when it approves of any healing or miracle looks at actual Dr.'s reports and tests before and after and looks at every angle to make sure that yes it was a true healing. Blanket testimonies are not proof.
Wow, that’s unusually harsh from you, Robwar. No, they’re not “just rumors and talk” for the people involved; they’re real healings. Christianity has always had its share of pious fraud, but that need not cause cynicism.
I think you’re comparing apples and oranges here. You’re talking about officially approved miracles—ones which every Catholic should try to accept. But both Protestants and Catholics experience more private (so to speak) miracles for which your average person isn’t going to see a need to gain official approval.
I am not trying to come off harsh. I believe Op said he was writing a book. I think for him to be credible, there would need to be documentation of a healing or miracle for writing a book. It is a different level of credibility. Yes, there are Protestant healings and miracles but very few are documented and confirmed to the level the Catholic Church does in confirmation. I don’t think Op would want to write a book and include something in it that turns out to either be false or a tall tale.
Well, all along everyone has been saying this. That’s not disputed. Some miracles among Protestants have been better documented, but most are more private affairs that we cherish among ourselves. But it’s very, very different than the sheer hubris of what Adamski said himself, that he’s thinking God doesn’t do miracles for Protestants.
What I would need for a healing is like this to be considered authentic, you basically need secular doctors and scientist to not have an explanation
My thoughts and concern are not the private affairs and personal type of healings or claims thereof but with so called “healing ministries” and TV shows like 700 club which usually has a time of prayer and then Pat and his side kicks receive “words of knowledge” for different healings and then several shows later maybe one or two stories of healings that supposedly people received listening and watching Pat Robertson. Yes, there can be legitimate healings and answers to prayer but no real proof is offered except that the person called it in and then offered some monitory gift. There was a “healer” named Peter Popoff that had a so called healing ministry and an investigation showed that there was fraud and lies and set-ups in these claims. I again appreciate the Catholic Church and it’s careful investigation of these things. I live near Detroit and have visited the Fr. Solanus Casey Center. If you are not familiar with his story, he was a humble doorkeeper Fransican monk and he became noted for answers to prayer and healings for people that came to him. He kept logs and logs of different encounters with people. One of my visits with my son’s confirmation class an elderly man stopped to talk to us. He told us his story that he was a primature baby not expected to live but his parents brought him to Fr. Solanus for prayers. He lived and every month comes to the center in his seventies in thanksgiving. Yes, there a many wonderful stories like this but for sainthood, there needs to be verifiable proof.
Yes that’s what happened. The doctors have no explanation. People have been told to stop taking their medicines as they are not needed anymore.