Cut all US military aid to Israel

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When my mind turns to Israel and Palestine, the West Bank and Gaza, the hatred and the bullets, the dead children – and now the assault on the Peace Flottilla – I can’t quite keep down the question: Where is God?

With God, it seems, our senses fail us. In a world made dark by our own doing, God strikes us, to borrow from Daniel Berrigan, as “the God of no comment.” Especially among those who toil to bring to the world a measure of light.

This is not to suggest that I think God is absent or inert or impassive. Quite the contrary. God, I believe, is present and has strong opinions and, moreover, applies divine energies for the disarmament of every nation and every human heart.

An audacious proposition. God works for disarmament? How to know for sure? There is no way to know as a scientist reckons knowledge. Rather to make a commitment for peace, one must, as the Bible says, believe. And I believe in part because of the psalms and the prophets.
 
ncronline.org/blogs/road-peace/cut-all-us-military-aid-israel

When my mind turns to Israel and Palestine, the West Bank and Gaza, the hatred and the bullets, the dead children – and now the assault on the Peace Flottilla – I can’t quite keep down the question: Where is God?

With God, it seems, our senses fail us. In a world made dark by our own doing, God strikes us, to borrow from Daniel Berrigan, as “the God of no comment.” Especially among those who toil to bring to the world a measure of light.

This is not to suggest that I think God is absent or inert or impassive. Quite the contrary. God, I believe, is present and has strong opinions and, moreover, applies divine energies for the disarmament of every nation and every human heart.

An audacious proposition. God works for disarmament? How to know for sure? There is no way to know as a scientist reckons knowledge. Rather to make a commitment for peace, one must, as the Bible says, believe. And I believe in part because of the psalms and the prophets.
Israel I believe has always had as much blood on its hands as do the Arab states and the US. Shame on us. Peace.
 
In my view, the only reason Israel hasn’t taken preemptive action against against Iran is because it knows that Iran knows that the US will reduce Iran to a hole in the ground if Iran wages an aggressive war against Israel. If Israel looses that certainty, who knows what’ll happen
 
I would never say Israel has been faultless in its treatment of palestinians. On the other hand, it has tried again and again to establish peace and it gets suicide bombers and missle attacks in return.
The idea of cutting all military aid to Israel is absurd. Do we want another holocaust of jews on our hands?
 
Israel isn’t our responsibility. They are not sinless angels; just look up the Lavon Affair or the USS Liberty sometime. Just because they are Jews doesn’t mean Israel deserves special protection or consideration and even if a “holocaust of Jews” were to happen it would not be anyone’s fault but the ones who performed it.

The money that goes to Israel every year can be better spent here on the poor.
Israel I believe has always had as much blood on its hands as do the Arab states and the US. Shame on us. Peace.
We’ve had our differences before but I couldn’t agree with this statement more. Amen.
 
Israel isn’t our responsibility. They are not sinless angels; just look up the Lavon Affair or the USS Liberty sometime. Just because they are Jews doesn’t mean Israel deserves special protection or consideration and even if a “holocaust of Jews” were to happen it would not be anyone’s fault but the ones who performed it.

The money that goes to Israel every year can be better spent here on the poor.

We’ve had our differences before but I couldn’t agree with this statement more. Amen.
Lycorth, which only goes to show us that with God anything is possible! 👍

Peace.
 
Myself. I think Israel done right with the blockade , they were keeping their word, some Moslems don’t do ever. I don’t want the Holyland going to a bunch of Moslem thugs who will turn every synagogue and church they don’t destroy into a mosque. Those precous sights that Jesus walked belong in the hands of Jews or Christians, not Moslems. Whatever it takes to keep it that way is fine with me. There is no " Palastine".
 
ncronline.org/blogs/road-peace/cut-all-us-military-aid-israel

When my mind turns to Israel and Palestine, the West Bank and Gaza, the hatred and the bullets, the dead children – and now the assault on the Peace Flottilla – I can’t quite keep down the question: Where is God?

With God, it seems, our senses fail us. In a world made dark by our own doing, God strikes us, to borrow from Daniel Berrigan, as “the God of no comment.” Especially among those who toil to bring to the world a measure of light.

This is not to suggest that I think God is absent or inert or impassive. Quite the contrary. God, I believe, is present and has strong opinions and, moreover, applies divine energies for the disarmament of every nation and every human heart.

An audacious proposition. God works for disarmament? How to know for sure? There is no way to know as a scientist reckons knowledge. Rather to make a commitment for peace, one must, as the Bible says, believe. And I believe in part because of the psalms and the prophets.
A weird epithet from Berrigan, but then, he is a weird guy.

To my knowledge, God never promised us a world without war, want, disease, hunger or suffering. Those are things humans bring upon ourselves. Because of our sin, paraphrasing the Bible, God has set an angel with a sword of flame guarding the gates of Eden. Due to our fallen nature, we aren’t going to return to Eden, but our efforts to do so often bring us into contact with the sword of flame. In the last century, the misbegotten efforts to bring about the various “Gardens of Eden” kept the sword very busy.

Our lot now is the cross, and while we might do things to better the lives of those around us, and should, we are not going to eliminate injustices, suffering or death. To aspire to it on any but the most proximate level and to a degree, is vanity. We aspire to “become as gods”.

We are given to understand that God brings good from evil. We should always fight evil. But at a point we go over the line and arrogate to ourselves more capacity to judge whether it occurs or will occur or not than is given to us to discern. We are always trying to gain the “knowledge of good and evil.” Notwithstanding that we also have an obligation to discern, I think sometimes we get too close to it and get drawn into it ourselves, by intention if not by action. Sometimes in our efforts to be “preventers”, we join the “perpetrators”, and I’m not entirely sure very many of us can truly escape that.

You, jjdrury, do that. So do I. Hopefully we do that unaware. God, not we, will judge us.

War, we know, is a terrible thing. But not everything in war is a terrible thing, and certainly not every participant. I recall reading a book by a priest who was, as a seminarian, drafted into the SS, of all things. He was able to provide some spiritual help to his fellows in that odious service and, while doing it, keep Himmler off his back. Ultimately, Himmler threw him out of the SS into the regular army. He ministered to German soldiers and, while part of the German occupation of Italy, was ordained in a sort of “emergency ordination” by the Pope himself, notwithstanding that he had not completed his seminary training. He continued ministering to the Wehrmacht soldiers who, as we know, were fighting in one of the worst causes the world has ever known. But he did a lot of spiritual good among them, notwithstanding that a wholly unjust war was raging all around him, and one in which he was a participant.

Frankly, and maybe I’m more cynical than I should be about such things, but I do not expect disarmament among mankind until Gabriel blows his horn.

I remember being surprised by the statement made to me by an anti-Zionist Jew. It was his belief (and he wasn’t alone in having it) that instead of the Messiah bringing peace (and the kingdom of Israel) at His coming, the Messiah could not come until men had established peace on earth themselves. It struck me as a pretty notion, but so very different from belief in the Cross. This Jewish fellow and those like him have a belief in the self-perfectability of mankind. Not on the same level, of course, but that struck me as being not entirely unlike the expectation of things like “workers’ paradises”. Determined efforts at “paradise-building”, it seems to me, draw the sword of flame. On this earth, I think, all we now have is the Cross.

In our fat West, we seem not to understand some things,and they baffle us. I remember reading Mother Teresa’s account of the evident joy of so many of the most devasted people on the face of the earth. Where did they find it? I recall reading a book (can’t remember the author now) entitled “City of Joy”, which is about the slums of Calcutta, and it talked about the same thing. I sometimes wonder whether, as we fly about and build our tall buildings and our social systems and drive our sleek vehicles and tot up the numbers in our 401k’s, we get to thinking we are the masters of the earth and expect, somehow, to impose our expectations of Eden on the world, and become very frustrated when we don’t.
And I sometimes think our expectations of “being God” ourselves, lead us to think God is uncaring or absent, whereas we are only really looking to ourselves to be God, and don’t find Him there.

My apologies for being so “preachy”, and I know you and I agree about almost nothing when it comes to world or national politics. I am not, in this post, expecting agreement. This is just a reflection on my part, triggered by your post.
 
I do not think much of the world, and the news medic in particular, ever stopped being anti-semitic. Calling the ships that tried to enter Gaza a “peace flotilla” is like calling the Auschwitz death camp guards a friendly welcoming committee. The Nazis wanted to kill Jews. The people on these shipped, most of whom it has been shown were paid terrorists funded by a terrorist group that had a part in the 1993 World Trace Center bombing (IHH). They came with the express purpose of trying to create an international incident and were counting on the news media’s fear of Islam and their fundamental antisemitism to spin it in their favor. Israel got played. Reuters got caught doctoring some photos to hide the weapons these terrorists were carrying.
 
I do not think much of the world, and the news medic in particular, ever stopped being anti-semitic. Calling the ships that tried to enter Gaza a “peace flotilla” is like calling the Auschwitz death camp guards a friendly welcoming committee. The Nazis wanted to kill Jews. The people on these shipped, most of whom it has been shown were paid terrorists funded by a terrorist group that had a part in the 1993 World Trace Center bombing (IHH). They came with the express purpose of trying to create an international incident and were counting on the news media’s fear of Islam and their fundamental antisemitism to spin it in their favor. Israel got played. Reuters got caught doctoring some photos to hide the weapons these terrorists were carrying.
I generally agree with what you’re saying, but I’m not entirely sure it’s anti-Semitism exactly. It’s more anti-civilization. The Hamas operatives are, of course, thugs. Among western elites, though, associating with thuggish groups is a sort of “elegant slumming” politically. It has long been chic among comfortable people to associate with radicalism; a sort of elevation of oneself by standing on the face of one’s parent. One notes, however, that very few actually go live the life of the people they champion, but return to their comfortable Irelands or Americas. It is, after all, so much safer to oppose the civilized than to oppose the savage.
 
I generally agree with what you’re saying, but I’m not entirely sure it’s anti-Semitism exactly. It’s more anti-civilization. The Hamas operatives are, of course, thugs. Among western elites, though, associating with thuggish groups is a sort of “elegant slumming” politically. It has long been chic among comfortable people to associate with radicalism; a sort of elevation of oneself by standing on the face of one’s parent. One notes, however, that very few actually go live the life of the people they champion, but return to their comfortable Irelands or Americas. It is, after all, so much safer to oppose the civilized than to oppose the savage.
Hmm… Much of what you say rings true. As I read this, I was reminded of teenage grl (from France, I think) who went to a South American country (Columbia?) to join some rebel group. After several years she was able to make her escape and return home, quite disillusioned. (I wish I could remember more of the details.)
 
How wise would it be to stop helping God’s very own chosen people? (Gen 17:7-8) et al …the ones with whom He made covenants (Gen 9)(Gen 15:5-6) (Gen 17:19) et al…the ones to whom He Blessed hundreds of times(Gen 22:15-18)(Gen 26:2-5)(Gen26:12-14) et al …set aside an exact piece of land upon the earth (Num 34:1-15 & Jos 1:4) which was to be theirs forEVER.
The greatest blessing: (Gen 12:1-3)
“…2. And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you, and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing.3. I will bless those who bless you, and him who curses you I will curse; and by you all the families of the earth shall bless themselves.”
You can see that I barely got out of Genesis with all these “chosen people”, “covenants”, “blessings”, “Israel-Canaan”, and the “blessings afforded to others who also bless God’s chosen nation”.
Do we believe with all our hearts the Holy Bible IS GOD’S WORDS? If that is a “YES”, then the “military aid” cut would be an ABOMINATION.
Bible: Ignatius RSV-2nd CE
 
The idea of cutting all military aid to Israel is absurd. Do we want another holocaust of jews on our hands?
I think that’s the problem. There’s this concept of communal guilt in teh West over the Holocaust.

I’ve met a few Israelis in my time, and they were quite confident they could defend themselves even without aide from America.

Israel has every right to defend itself, but this whole shooting up of a peace boat convoy, or that mess in Lebanon a few years back. Its a messy situation indeed. How do you fight terrorists when they hide in plain sight in an innocent civilian populace?

But I do have sympathy for the Palestinians and other Abrabs, they were just minding their own business end of WWII then some Allies show up, take their land, and turn it into a Jewish state. I can see how that would tick anyone off.
 
How wise would it be to stop helping God’s very own chosen people? (Gen 17:7-8) et al …the ones with whom He made covenants (Gen 9)(Gen 15:5-6) (Gen 17:19) et al…the ones to whom He Blessed hundreds of times(Gen 22:15-18)(Gen 26:2-5)(Gen26:12-14) et al …set aside an exact piece of land upon the earth (Num 34:1-15 & Jos 1:4) which was to be theirs forEVER.
The greatest blessing: (Gen 12:1-3)
“…2. And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you, and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing.3. I will bless those who bless you, and him who curses you I will curse; and by you all the families of the earth shall bless themselves.”
You can see that I barely got out of Genesis with all these “chosen people”, “covenants”, “blessings”, “Israel-Canaan”, and the “blessings afforded to others who also bless God’s chosen nation”.
Do we believe with all our hearts the Holy Bible IS GOD’S WORDS? If that is a “YES”, then the “military aid” cut would be an ABOMINATION.
Bible: Ignatius RSV-2nd CE
Amen Scoochy. I am very disappointed in the anti-Israel comments made by fellow Catholics. This “peace” flotilla was carrying weapons to arm Jew-hating Muslims. Israel has a right to defend itself, same as any country.
 
Amen Scoochy. I am very disappointed in the anti-Israel comments made by fellow Catholics. This “peace” flotilla was carrying weapons to arm Jew-hating Muslims. Israel has a right to defend itself, same as any country.
And there you have it! Some people don’t get the self defense concept :confused::confused:
 
ncronline.org/blogs/road-peace/cut-all-us-military-aid-israel

When my mind turns to Israel and Palestine, the West Bank and Gaza, the hatred and the bullets, the dead children – and now the assault on the Peace Flottilla – I can’t quite keep down the question: Where is God?

With God, it seems, our senses fail us. In a world made dark by our own doing, God strikes us, to borrow from Daniel Berrigan, as “the God of no comment.” Especially among those who toil to bring to the world a measure of light.

This is not to suggest that I think God is absent or inert or impassive. Quite the contrary. God, I believe, is present and has strong opinions and, moreover, applies divine energies for the disarmament of every nation and every human heart.

An audacious proposition. God works for disarmament? How to know for sure? There is no way to know as a scientist reckons knowledge. Rather to make a commitment for peace, one must, as the Bible says, believe. And I believe in part because of the psalms and the prophets.
jjdrury81

God gave Peace between Him and mankind via Jesus Christ, nothing about between men, and between nations.

The Lord is hardening the world’s heart against Israel just as He did with Pharaoh in the days of Moses. I mean wouldn’t it make sense that since the world agreed that Israel should be a nation state and in that agreement that nation state had borders that were much larger then even what the Lord gave them in victory in the three day war in 1967. Those who insist in the “rights of Palestinians” could easily resolve the issue by taking in to their own borders these people, and sharing in the great wealth of oil they have. For some reason that ain’t an option for them. Destruction of Israel is the only option for them.

But what the Lord wants from His Israel, is their dependance on Him and His Presence with them. Not the world. Including the U.S. of A. And He will get it. He has spoken it through the prophets many years ago. Read Ezekiel 38, it is my belief that these chapters before and after around and especially Ezekiel 38 are next on the Lord’s agenda, with Israel, and the day of the Gentile, is quickly coming to a close…
 
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