Cutting, burning, self injury

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I’ve been a catechist for two years now for elementary, jr. high and high schoolers.
We’ve had two teens at least try to commit suicide, and multiple girls who are cutters.
These are teens 7-12 grades that are very involved in Church and I couldn’t imagine youth groups without them.
I’ve been shocked upon learning these things, and am trying to learn more.
I’ve ordered two books, Stopping the Pain workbook and The Scarred Soul.
Does anyone have any other recommendations.
How do you handle being told these things, and how do you work with parents?
Two of the parents I’ve talked to have known about the cutting for over a year in their situations, and they haven’t even read any books about it! They seem genuinely concerned but seems like they expect a therapist to simply work magic and make it go away.
This appears to be a rising problem with the youth, something that you should be aware of if you have teenagers or work in youth ministry.
I could use some resources if you know of any.
 
As you know, these are really difficult and complicated problems. The protection of youth has become a high priority in dioceses in the US. I think your best bet is to contact your chancery office and ask them to help you to try to find someone on the ground in your diocese to talk to about the problem in general and specific problems as they arise, as far as the best way for you to proceed. This is the kind of advice you want to get from someone with deep knowledge, and with whom you can have a conversation.

The fact that you already have run into this problem shows the need. If you don’t get help, press for it…but I think you will find someone to point you to someone to talk to.
 
How do you handle being told these things, and how do you work with parents?
Two of the parents I’ve talked to have known about the cutting for over a year in their situations, and they haven’t even read any books about it! They seem genuinely concerned but seems like they expect a therapist to simply work magic and make it go away.
This appears to be a rising problem with the youth, something that you should be aware of if you have teenagers or work in youth ministry.
I could use some resources if you know of any.
Childhood sexual abuse causes children, teens, and adults to become cutters and attempted suicides… it also causes a whole lot of eating disorders. Childhood sexual abuse is very common in alcoholism and drug addiction and post-war trauma scenarios… all of which are on the rise in society.

The parents and other adults in the child’s world are often, but not always, a big part of the child’s problem… of course they just want a therapist to make it all simply go away so that they can go back to ignoring their own dysfunctions, otherwise they’d have to face them!

The biggest thing you can do to help is to help kids begin to learn to identify what constitutes a nurturing, supportive, healthy, egalitarian relationship vs. what constitutes an abusive and/or exploitative, controlling, and manipulative one.

The easiest and simplest place to start is to begin the process of modeling and identifying and role playing respectful interactions and relationship and identifying what constitutes disrespectful and/or exploitative, controlling, and manipulative interactions and relationships, and teaching kids to learn to identify verbal manipulation and verbal abuse and defend themselves verbally. The easiest way to explore these issues is through role playing, theatre games, and improv.

Role playing, theatre games, and improv are superb to help kids contemplate these issues and practice facing real world scenarios. Role playing with puppets can be safer and socially comfortable for young kids or very traumatized quiet ones than role playing directly with people.
 
I’ve been a catechist for two years now for elementary, jr. high and high schoolers.
We’ve had two teens at least try to commit suicide, and multiple girls who are cutters.
These are teens 7-12 grades that are very involved in Church and I couldn’t imagine youth groups without them.
I’ve been shocked upon learning these things, and am trying to learn more.
I’ve ordered two books, Stopping the Pain workbook and The Scarred Soul.
Does anyone have any other recommendations.
How do you handle being told these things, and how do you work with parents?
Two of the parents I’ve talked to have known about the cutting for over a year in their situations, and they haven’t even read any books about it! They seem genuinely concerned but seems like they expect a therapist to simply work magic and make it go away.
This appears to be a rising problem with the youth, something that you should be aware of if you have teenagers or work in youth ministry.
I could use some resources if you know of any.
Can’t Jesus help? I ask this not to mock but in sincere wonderment.
Why can’t prayer help people of faith in matters like this?
People like you who care and stick their neck out for others that believe?
They do not expect a therapist to fix this do they? Or do they expect God to fix it? Or a mix of both?
 
When I worked in the behavioral health field they had me work full time with the teenage girls…the cutters, burners, bulemics, anorexics, depressed, and sexually acting out. It’s true that most of these girls turn to such extremes because of sexual abuse, but there are so many more reasons they do it! It can come from mental or emotional abuse, loss of loved ones, etc. Sometimes they feel that the bleeding or eating or sex is the only thing they can control. Some may actually be chemically depressed (the brain’s chemicals are unbalanced for any of many reasons). Others may appear to be socially active and balanced, but never actually learned good coping mechanisms for negative feelings. You’ve heard of the silent “cry for help”…sometimes they don’t even know they’re asking for help. All they know is that they’ve run out of other ideas. I’m really glad that you’re taking this seriously, because so many adults brush it off as a phase. I wish that parents had endless resources to handle this kind of thing at home, because in a lot of cases I worked, the parents just wanted to say, “It’ll all be okay,” or, “It won’t last forever.” The truth is that unless someone can influence them, even if from the sidelines, it may not be okay and it really could last well into adult-hood. Parents need to be made aware of the gravity of their child’s situation. It shouldn’t be a matter of waiting for their child to hit their rock bottom, it should be a matter of getting them to put down the shovel they’re digging their own grave with, before it’s too late.

Definitely seek guidance from your Church so that you don’t overstep boundaries, and if you’re willing to go the extra step, check and see if there are behavioral health clinics or hospitals in your area that can give advice on this. My favorite go-to website was called www.TeensHealth.com, basically any topic you can think of is covered there. I also found a site that can give actual stories from a teen’s perspective. There’s also a series of books by Ellen Hopkins that are on the teenage level, but I’d suggest reading them before handing them out, they really helped me understand the girls (Crank, Burned, Impulse, Glass, Identical). They’re excellent!

former Catholic mentioned using role playing to help them learn about what healthy relationships are and how to identify manipulation. That is a spectacular idea! Maybe have them anonymously write out situations that they have faced and discuss it as a group. The more real you keep it with teenagers, the better they understand you (which makes them feel that you understand them), so try not to sugar-coat much on this topic. Just make sure that whatever you do tell them, you’ve got reasonable proof . Kids want to do good, but they want to do it because it makes sense.

I know this sounds mean, but once they get to the point of cutting their own flesh or actually attempting suicide, the one thing that will keep them grounded is having the effects of their actions brought to their attention. Extreme example: I once had to help a therapist talk a girl out of slicing her wrists with a piece of broken shampoo bottle. The therapist literally asked,“If you do that, who is going to have to clean it up? What will your mom’s face look like when she has to come here and see what you did?”. The therapist snapped her back to reality from her romanticized ideal of what suicide would be like. (I don’t expect that you will ever be in that situation and I know that example is brutal, but it’s really how brutally honest we have to be sometimes.)

(StrawberryJam, these are just my answers based on my experiences:)
Can’t Jesus help? Absolutely! I can’t count the number of times that my self-proclaimed agnostic/athiest girls asked me to pray with them after a traumatic family session or serious discussion about suicide. They always asked in private, and usually had tears in their eyes. Maybe they were crying because they, again, felt they had run out of other options. But I’d say that turning to prayer in stead of cutting is a great option.

**Why can’t prayer help people of faith in matters like this? People like you who care and stick their neck out for others that believe? ** Why do bad things still happen when good people try to help? God gave us free will. He will not make someone put down the knife just because someone else wants them to. I think that, while the power of prayer is immense, God may choose to let us to learn from others rather than getting our way all the time.

**They do not expect a therapist to fix this do they? Or do they expect God to fix it? Or a mix of both? ** Therapy doesn’t always work (because the patient isn’t willing/ready, or because the therapist just isn’t very good). I think it’s possible that He has guided people to the company of Therapists that can get through to them. I believe that God does put opportunities and people in our lives if we are sincere in prayer, and I think he’s put snowbee in the lives of some of these kids because he knows they’ll listen.
 
Definitely seek guidance from your Church so that you don’t overstep boundaries, and if you’re willing to go the extra step, check and see if there are behavioral health clinics or hospitals in your area that can give advice on this.
Most teens with these issues have got therapists, behavioral health clinics, hospitals, and antidepressants coming out of their ears…
and have a lot to say about all of them too, if you care to listen. Most of it would be unprintable on this website.

The biggest thing you can do to help is #1 listen. Really listen. Actively listen. Be there.
Be authentic, be open, be honest… be REAL… and be there. Re-establish trust, because it has been broken. Be aware that such children will deliberately push every button you’ve got just to see how real YOU are, how worthy of trust YOU are, just to rip YOUR mask off…
because they’ve learned very well that adults cannot be trusted.
Read Alice Miller’s For Your Own Good and understand why the only thing that stands in the way of the abused eventually turning into the abuser (of other or of self) is
the compassionate witness
and be that compassionate witness.

Beyond that…
self abuse is a silent scrream for things that a child has no words for. Help the child find self expression…physical self expression… drawing, theatre, improv, dance, music, mural painting, sidewalk chalk art, puppetry, journaling…
The child must have a means of physical self expression to show the world.
Invest in a digital camcorder… make a movie… record a rap album…
put on a show… make costumes… film it
this is a story, a song, a show about lonliness… about war… about hope… about God.
You can change a kid’s entire life for the better.
You can change the world.

Get good enough at it, and someday the clinical psychologist will come and sit at your feet too and say: “What you just did with these kids in 5 minutes… I couldn’t have accomplished in 5 months.”
 
I don’t have any specific advice, but I did hurt myself as a teen and can identify somewhat. I was not in any way actually suicidal – I was deeply unhappy but didn’t want to hurt those close to me.

The reasons I hurt myself:
  1. It was something I could control. When I felt like crying, I would hurt myself and that would help me keep those feelings inside.
  2. It distracted me from my emotional pain. Physical pain can be a huge relief when you’re hurting inside.
  3. I hoped someone would notice the marks and help me. (No one ever did.)
One thing I don’t really know for sure, but suspect, is that cutting can be addictive. I’m not depressed anymore, but when I’m very upset I still feel compelled to hurt myself. (I don’t, though, because I promised my husband I would never do it again.) Someone who knows more might answer that one … but it might be helpful to realize.
 
Can’t Jesus help? I ask this not to mock but in sincere wonderment.
Why can’t prayer help people of faith in matters like this?
People like you who care and stick their neck out for others that believe?
They do not expect a therapist to fix this do they? Or do they expect God to fix it? Or a mix of both?
Strawberry - I don’t take you as sarcastic at all. There are many good Catholic therapists that can be a really big help in finding the right mix between faith, prayer, sacraments, and therapy. The issue here is that we are dealing with teenagers. Sometimes people make the mistake of dealing with them like tiny adults. They are not. Hormones run rampant and that can cause all kinds of behavioral problems. Typically this is the age group where things like bipolar, etc start to get diagnosed. This is absolutely something that should not be dealt with on your own.

To the OP- get the DRE, parents, and pastor involved NOW. They will know what to do. If they don’t or blow it off call the diocese and get someone in the youth ministry office involved. (by that I mean the church people not the parents - we have tohonor the parents.)

God bless.
 
Here are two books I have found very useful:

For the responsible adult in the relationship, I have found “Hope and Healing for Kids who Cut” is a great resource (by Marv Penner, c 2008, published by Youth Specialties via Zondervan, ISBN 978-0-310-27755-2).

For the wounded young adult, I like “Scars that Wound: Scars that Heal (A Journey out of Self-Injury)” (by Jan Kern, c 2007, Standard Publishing, ISBN 978-0-7847-2104-9).

Praying for everyone on both sides of this situation,
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Behaviours such as these are simply symptomatic. They are a symptom of some underlying problem; which in turn is developed through past and present trauma.

It really requires a proffessional person to be able to discern what this underlying problem is; and how best to proceed. It would be particularily sensible to get people who are within the Church to assist with this problem; as they will have the same grounding and world view as the individuals; wheras many Secular “experts” proceed from positions which sometimes advocate against Church ideologies; which would only serve to confuse the individuals in this case.

However; that said - causing self injury is not nessecarily the result of an abuse or suchlike - and to leap to the presumption that it is inherantly bad would be wrong. It is merely the reasons; and not the act that in this case seems to be the problem.
 
I’ve been a catechist for two years now for elementary, jr. high and high schoolers.
We’ve had two teens at least try to commit suicide, and multiple girls who are cutters.
These are teens 7-12 grades that are very involved in Church and I couldn’t imagine youth groups without them.
I’ve been shocked upon learning these things, and am trying to learn more.
I’ve ordered two books, Stopping the Pain workbook and The Scarred Soul.
Does anyone have any other recommendations.
How do you handle being told these things, and how do you work with parents?
Two of the parents I’ve talked to have known about the cutting for over a year in their situations, and they haven’t even read any books about it! They seem genuinely concerned but seems like they expect a therapist to simply work magic and make it go away.
This appears to be a rising problem with the youth, something that you should be aware of if you have teenagers or work in youth ministry.
I could use some resources if you know of any.
I think therapy is a good place to start, but I’m surprised the parents aren’t more interested in educating themselves about it.

I had friends in college who were cutters. Their parents didn’t know about it and I now regret that I never told anyone or tried to help. I know people cut when they are suffering emotional pain because cutting seems to relieve that pain. I don’t know much about how to deal with it.

I mainly wanted to write to wish you good luck. You’re doing the right thing by trying to help. 👍
 
In so many cases it is the parents or another family member who is the root cause of these symptomatic behaviors.

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In so many cases it is the parents or another family member who is the root cause of these symptomatic behaviors.

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The couple of girls that I have talked to about it, one of which was a recovered cutter, and the other who is anorexic and a cutter, trace it back to their moms. So, you probably are very right.
 
Please seek professional guidance with these very sensitive subjects.
 
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