Cutting ties with family that is destructive

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I have heard from both sides in a general manner that family always comes first, regardless, or that if they are not being “family” then they aren’t family. Obviously one of the commandments is to honor thy mother and father, but if they absolutely detrimental to your mental health, then is it a sin to cut contact? At what point is it ok, or should you only rely on prayer and faith in God and constantly be “on the mend” from dealing with them? How far does that commandment go?
 
I have heard from both sides in a general manner that family always comes first, regardless, or that if they are not being “family” then they aren’t family. Obviously one of the commandments is to honor thy mother and father, but if they absolutely detrimental to your mental health, then is it a sin to cut contact? At what point is it ok, or should you only rely on prayer and faith in God and constantly be “on the mend” from dealing with them? How far does that commandment go?
I have cut all ties with my parents, and have no intention of renewing them in the future unless and until they demonstrate quantitative change. In my case, my mother is a practicing alcoholic with sociopathic tendencies, while my father is extremely self-centered to the point of violent temper tantrums if he does not get his way in the smallest detail. After I left home, I endeavored to maintain civil contact with my mother and made a point of speaking to my father frequently, checking on his well-being, and so on. In the former case, I soon found that she was actively sabotaging my education and finances. In the latter, I maintained contact with him until he destroyed a hotel room at an important family event because he was expected to take a taxi for or walk a tenth of a mile rather than have someone drive across town in order to ferry him from point A to point B.

Before I cut off contact with my mother, I spoke to my confessor and explained the situation. He was actually the one who suggested that I cut off contact, as what contact we had wasn’t doing either of us any good. Obviously, he told me to pray for her. The incident with my father opened my eyes to his pattern of crude and destructive behavior, and I decided that such a person was not one I wished to have anywhere near me or my family. I also pray for him, but I see no reason to give him the opportunity to hurt me any further.

If either of them demonstrated remorse and active change in their lives, I would consider having limited contact with them. In the case of my mother, as I have made clear, it would also require rehab followed by a year or two of sobriety in AA.

God wants us to honor our parents, yes. That does not require that we allow them to be actively detrimental in our lives.
 
I have heard from both sides in a general manner that family always comes first, regardless, or that if they are not being “family” then they aren’t family. Obviously one of the commandments is to honor thy mother and father, but if they absolutely detrimental to your mental health, then is it a sin to cut contact? At what point is it ok, or should you only rely on prayer and faith in God and constantly be “on the mend” from dealing with them? How far does that commandment go?
I would advise running this by a priest. The reason I say this is because on some level we do have obligations to family.

However, I can imagine there are exceptions.
 
There comes a time when a relationship is so dysfunctional that the most respectful way to honor the other person is to stay away from them so as not to cause more fighting. One also has the right to protect their own personal dignity and if a parent is abusive to them, they should remove themselves from the situation, temporarily or permanently.
 
I cut all ties with my parents about five years ago, in part on unanimous advice here at Catholic Forums.

My father is an alcoholic, albeit a high-functioning one, never falling down drunk. But if you read down the list of traits, of the roles inflicted on the children in the family, the traits of the adult children of alcoholics, it’s all there. I spent years listening to him find fault, criticize, tell me he didn’t like me, and threaten to kick me out of the house (in fact, I left on my own when I was 18, he threatened it so often). There has been physical violence against my mother, myself, and one sister that I know of. He bullies and threatens. Even as an adult I get letters and phone calls from him calling me vulgar names, telling me I’m a bad mother, etc.

My mother, honestly, is not much better. As nearly as I can figure out, she has believed–and told others–that I’m a liar since I was quite young, and to the best of my ability to piece together memories, I believe my father did something very inappropriate, I said so and wouldn’t back down, and hence got labeled a liar and ‘stubborn.’ To this day, no matter what anyone does, she’ll take their side, and tell me I deserved it.

I cut ties 5 years ago, and I have never felt better. One of the major changes I noticed immediately was that my entire view of God changed. I had spent a lifetime seeing Him as a capricious God who constantly changes the rules, who, no matter how hard I try, would look at me smugly, up at the Pearly Gates, and whip out the list of rules He kept hidden at the bottom of a file cabinet in a locked store room, and show me the 23 minor rules I stupidly, wantonly, idiotically, like a fool, broke. GOTCHA!

When I cut ties with my family, I realized it was my father’s gloating, angry face, nailing me for something I had no clue I was supposed to have done, that I had always seen for God. My view of Him very quickly changed. I literally felt Him come and sit down on my bed at my side one night, and felt His presence as a loving, caring God who sees good in me and WANTS me to succeed and be in Heaven with Him, rather than a God looking for ways to trip me up.

I also believe I’m a better mother and better able to love my own children without my parents breathing down my back about every single thing they do wrong. I’m dealing with two boys with ADHD and autism, and my parents were always on my back that I just needed to discipline them more. I was a stressed out wreck, any time I knew I’d be near my parents with my kids. And I can assure you, they DO know better than the doctors and know there’s nothing wrong with my kids but my lousy parenting. 😉

As to honoring my parents, I think if I were an only child and they needed me, I could smile, do what they need, and leave, but I have the entire weight of the family believing what my parents say about me. My parents are fine, they don’t need me, and in the meantime, I pray for them continually. It’s the best I can do to ‘honor’ them. I hold my tongue when anyone says anything about them, rather than jump in with The Story, and Oh, do you KNOW how awful they really are?

I figure, if I live my life well and with integrity, that’s honoring them, too, right?

Hopefully, that’s of some actual help and not merely me spewing. :o
 
I would talk with your priest (if possible), but I, too, had difficult parents that I’ve pretty much cut ties with. I live at a distance, which helps. I’ve not seen them in years. There was substance abuse, verbal abuse, and some physical abuse (beyond normal spanking of a child). The substance abuse stopped in more recent years, but my parents’ behavior toward me did not change. For my peace of mind, I don’t talk to them on the phone. We exchange Christmas and birthday cards, which is about the extent of our contact.

This has improved my quality of life immeasurably.

There are ways to keep in touch (by mail, email, etc.) that do not totally cut contact, but allow you some distance if needed.
 
I don’t believe it’s sinful to cut ties with family who are truly toxic and abusive. We had several stretches where we cut ties with my in-laws when my FIL was still alive. If I’d known then what I know now about him, I’d have done far worse than cut ties with him. If not for the fact that my MIL has nobody else willing to care for her, I don’t believe we’d see her now. After years of horrible treatment from one side of my family, we cut ties with them a couple years ago. It was one of the best decisions we ever made and has eliminated a lot of the stress we had in our lives. If the rest of my family would quit pushing for us to reestablish ties with them it would eliminate a huge portion of the remaining stress in our lives.

I believe poor treatment and abuse from family members is far worse than receiving it from non-famliy members. For one thing, they’re family so any ill treatment also brings with it feelings of betrayal. On top of that, since they’ve known you your whole life, they know which buttons to push and are sure to make a lot of their hateful comments and hurtful behavior even worse and more personal.
 
Luke 12:51-53 Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division. For from now on in one house there will be five divided, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”
 
I had this conversation with a good priest and he told me that you can simply wish your parents well and pray for them from afar. It is not required that a child has anything to do with his/her parents as an adult
 
There comes a time when a relationship is so dysfunctional that the most respectful way to honor the other person is to stay away from them so as not to cause more fighting. One also has the right to protect their own personal dignity and if a parent is abusive to them, they should remove themselves from the situation, temporarily or permanently.
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There comes a time when a relationship is so dysfunctional that the most respectful way to honor the other person is to stay away from them so as not to cause more fighting. One also has the right to protect their own personal dignity and if a parent is abusive to them, they should remove themselves from the situation, temporarily or permanently.
I like this answer…

I have struggled with my family for far too long, being brainwashed by close friends that “family is most important”/“family comes first”. Its just not like that with everyone. If i get to make my own family some day i will strive for it to be as perfect as possible, but the one i grew up in… I have deserved the privilage to cut them off
 
I ended contact with my father a couple of years ago because I just couldn’t take it anymore. I had to protect my sanity because my husband and children deserved that. And I deserved that.

I have to say this has been the most difficult thing in my life and I would not recommend it to anyone if there was any hope of change and improvement in the relationship. But sometimes there is just no hope and people have to cut ties to remain sane.
 
I ended contact with my father a couple of years ago because I just couldn’t take it anymore. I had to protect my sanity because my husband and children deserved that. And I deserved that.

I have to say this has been the most difficult thing in my life and I would not recommend it to anyone if there was any hope of change and improvement in the relationship. But sometimes there is just no hope and people have to cut ties to remain sane.
good for you
 
Many of us have had to recognise that we do not come from “Hallmark Card Families” and that we have had to take some steps that may seem harsh to those who don’t know the full situation. Those steps can include cutting ties completely, or until there is a change in behaviour, or simply downscaling the contact.

A book that helped me recognise that my parents were incapable of the kind of relationship I wanted with them is, Irregular People
 
Many of us have had to recognise that we do not come from “Hallmark Card Families” and that we have had to take some steps that may seem harsh to those who don’t know the full situation. Those steps can include cutting ties completely, or until there is a change in behaviour, or simply downscaling the contact.

A book that helped me recognise that my parents were incapable of the kind of relationship I wanted with them is, Irregular People
Great post. I have accepted that my father is a mentally ill narcissist and that my mother is incapable of having maternal instincts towards me and my kids bc she is too self-centred. I see my parents now more as just relatives (whom I love) that I see about once a month or so. Although, I have not excommunicated them, I have downsized the relationship, so that I have no expectations.

I no longer get hurt and angry over the things they do or don’t do. Life is so much simpler.

I have to admit, it took YEARS of hurt and anger to get to this place.
 
Great post. I have accepted that my father is a mentally ill narcissist and that my mother is incapable of having maternal instincts towards me and my kids bc she is too self-centred.
Mine is a narcissist too. 😦 It is pure hell dealing with these people. It was only recently that I started seeing things clearly - how insane his behaviour is. When you grow up with craziness, that is normal for you. I’m surprised I’m not more messed up.
 
Mine is a narcissist too. 😦 It is pure hell dealing with these people. It was only recently that I started seeing things clearly - how insane his behaviour is. When you grow up with craziness, that is normal for you. I’m surprised I’m not more messed up.
This is so true. And it takes years of pulling away and finding some normality in life to really see it.
 
I see my parents now more as just relatives (whom I love) that I see about once a month or so.
I totally shocked someone who did not see my parents in the same way as I experienced them by saying something similar to this. But it does help to think in this way.
I no longer get hurt and angry over the things they do or don’t do. Life is so much simpler.

I have to admit, it took YEARS of hurt and anger to get to this place.
Life is certainly simpler once you get to this point, but it always seems to take years to get to it.
 
agoodsinner;11343388At what point is it ok said:
Talk to a priest.

I had a year and a half when I had no contact with my parents, after a really bad couple of years and one huge fight when I left home literally in the middle of the night.

It really bothered me but I talked to a priest after I cooled down a little and it helped a lot.
He told me I was right to leave and stay away from them at the time.

After a while we all had some time to think and change some things and we got back in touch, they reconsidered some things when they realized there would be some very real consequences.
 
I totally shocked someone who did not see my parents in the same way as I experienced them by saying something similar to this. But it does help to think in this way.

Life is certainly simpler once you get to this point, but it always seems to take years to get to it.
Yes. I first began making up stories about how great my family was to strangers and friends and then I moved on to feeling like I missed out on a childhood that my other friends had. Then I became angry…really really angry that I missed out on a good childhood.

Then I had my kids and became really sad that I was missing out on the whole “grandma/mother/daughter” experience. I cried a lot…developed PPD with my second child and once the PPD was gone, I learned to forgive my parents and accept everything just the way it is.

I know my parents are irregular people. They do not love me the way parents should, BUT I have the power to change ALL of that. I am showing my OWN children what mother/daughter and mother/son love is all about. I am putting everything I have into being a good mom. Every hurt is being turned into love.

Sometimes, when I’m laying with my daughter in her bed and hugging her, I realize that I do not have one memory of my mother doing that with me…not one…it’s sad 😦
 
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