Czar Nicholas II

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Common to Catholic and Eastern Orthodox since 1054:

Edward the Confessor 1066
Euphrosyne of Polatsk 1173
Agnes 1253
Gregory Palamas 1359
Isaac Jogues 1646
The Orthodox tend to count English saints up until 1066, so that explains Edward.
I can’t find anything about St. Agnes being venerated in the East and know for a fact that none of the French martyrs of North America are venerated by Orthodox, although having recently read a book about them I fully acknowledge their life as being saintly.
St. Euphrosyne and St. Gregory are Orthodox saints, so outside the Eastern Catholic Churches I have no idea why the West would venerate these two, especially since St. Gregory’s greatest opponent based his theology on the Western view of things.
 
St. Isaac Jogues is a real surprise on that list, given that he was a Jesuit whose mission was in North America. How did the Eastern Orthodox come to become aware of him?
I think I made a mistake. The correct Issac is: Isaac of Nineveh 700.
 
I think I made a mistake. The correct Issac is: Isaac of Nineveh 700.
Both quite venerable men. The Jesuits who came to Canada were ahead of their time, and unlike the people of their day did not confuse bringing Christianity to a people with destroying the culture of that people.
 
The Orthodox tend to count English saints up until 1066, so that explains Edward.
I can’t find anything about St. Agnes being venerated in the East and know for a fact that none of the French martyrs of North America are venerated by Orthodox, although having recently read a book about them I fully acknowledge their life as being saintly.
St. Euphrosyne and St. Gregory are Orthodox saints, so outside the Eastern Catholic Churches I have no idea why the West would venerate these two, especially since St. Gregory’s greatest opponent based his theology on the Western view of things.
Agnes of 1253 is the wrong one, it should have been Agnes of Rome 304. And Issac Jogues is also a mistake, noted in another post.

Oh, you are limiting to the Latin Church calendar only? If you are looking only at the Latin Church the list has been revised quite a bit to a much shorted list of canonized saints that are celebrated in the liturgy.

The Catholic Church accepts as saints all those of all the 23 Churches sui iuris. A saint can be recognised but not venerated.
 
The Catholic Church accepts as saints all those of all the 23 Churches sui iuris. A saint can be recognised but not venerated.
If that is the case, then the Latin Church technically accepts all the Orthodox saints since the last Church joined it, in which case the point seems moot.
 
If that is the case, then the Latin Church technically accepts all the Orthodox saints since the last Church joined it, in which case the point seems moot.
That is logical, yet hard to know the date; maybe the latest are those of the Antiochene Oriental Orthodox, the Syro-Malankara Church joined in 1930. At least those Saints celebrated in the liturgical books.
 
Following the links on that article, I found the entry on King Harold Godwinson of England (England’s last Saxon King) to be a bit more surprising. I hadn’t thought of King Harold as really dying for his Faith, nor would I have really regarded him as a member of the Orthodox branch of Christianity.

Not trying to start a debate, just noting it’s interesting to see how sometimes we Roman Catholics and Orthodox Christians view the world a bit differently, even though we mostly see it nearly the same way.

The article did help clear up for me the nature of the Czar Nicholas’ status. As I understand it, a passion bearer is a member of the Faithful who dies in a Christ like manner, never renouncing the Faith, but not actually dying for the Faith. I’m still a bit confused if this status equates with sainthood as Roman Catholics define it.
I think we have to keep in mind that both Churches define saint as someone who is in heaven. A canonized saint is someone that the Church says we KNOW is in heaven. The CC doesn’t proclaim to KNOW that Czar N is in heaven. That doesn’t mean he and his family are not.
 
May be this faith is derived from the believe in the divinity of the Russian King.
Or derived from the believe that Russian King has a right to ‘‘command’’ to ‘‘order’’ like a God in heaven.
I have read some where that when there was a question of leaving the throne , the Russian people kneeled down in front of the King - John the Fourth ( Ivan Fourth ) and were begging him to continue to be the King , and not to make them ‘‘orphans’’

Actually the same feelings in the hearts of the people were when Stalin died and people were crying and were staying till the evening on the streets and were feeling like a ‘‘lost ones’’.
That is , why I think that , may be this title as a ‘‘Saint’’ , is derived from this faith in ''the divinity of ruling elite ‘’, the ''divinity of the king ‘’.

I do not know
I am citizen of Ukraine
I do not have University education , and I am not expert in religion or history , I just read some books.
And what I think is that the attention that Russia uses to pay for its KINGS is very very high and respectful.
Even , when we read some of the Russian writers , we read the verses ‘’ OUR EARTHLY GOD… or ‘’ INSTEAD OF LAW , THERE IS A PILLAR AND ON THE PILLAR IS THE CROWN’’… ( probably - Pushkin or Lermontov… )

i think that , there is a believe , or its even a kind of religious believe , kind of - ISLAM , but not -Islam towards the religion , but Islam towards the KING , towards the ruling elite , the government.
Its a believe in the ''sainthood ‘’ and ''holiness ‘’ of government … of holiness of a King.

I do not know , for example , - Some historiographers , today try to make the ‘‘glorification of NKVD ‘’ heroes…
Some historians call them ‘’ one of the the biggest criminals in the history ‘’ and other historians call them ‘’ great heroes’’ .
Even call them ‘’ the best’’ or ‘‘one of the best Russians’’ in the history.

I am Ukrainian , so I can see the damage which those despots did to us.
Ukrainians are not lazy people , so for us ‘’ serfdom’’ was not a good system.
Ukrainias are tillers of the ground , hard working , prosperous peasants , so we look at ‘‘poverty’’ as a disgusting thing , that’s why the ‘’ bolshevism ‘’ was not a system which was for our people.
Because our hard-working pesant abhours the culture of poverty , becuase of our energy of tiller of the ground.
The private ownership i in our menthality is in our consciousness.

So , how for example , I can praise the ruler , who brought the ‘‘serfdom’’ or ‘‘bolshevism’’ to my nation. And made so much damage , during so many years , to the nation by those systems.
For example ,
15 millions Ukrainians died in Holodomor ( its like before it was the population of Canada )
15 millions of Ukrainians . And after all that damage , we hear that those dictators and tyrans , who used to be more destructive than any other dictators , are called o be ‘’ the heroes ‘’ and ‘’ the best Russians ‘’ .

(It seems that we live in a ''new ussr ‘’ , if historiography calls them heroes, and praise their acts. )

Archibishop Benjamin , in his speach in Paris , at 1945 , called the Soviet government as the one which is put by God , and that a blessing will come to those who will support the Soviet governmet.

In Europe , the government was never higher than the Church , there were even the times when the Church was higher than the governmetn (Catholic , Calvinist )

Yes , I think that , there should be the respect to the Kings , no matter of their life .
But , in my opinion , the ''glorification ‘’ and ‘‘divinity’’ towards the Kings , in th terms of the ''titles of Saints ‘’ , it God who decides .
( I am sorry , I am converted Evangelical Christian , so I have my way of thinking . )

and also , may be it has some reflection towards ''Sainthood ‘’

For example , I do not agree with ‘’ authoritarian rulership ‘’ , I do not believe in Asian ‘‘pyramidical’’ model of rulership .

I believe that todays kings , presidents , governments , should be ‘‘controlled’’ by the people , should be judged ‘’ by the critical way of thinking , according to what they do for the people , and how they rule.
I am against the idea of despotic authoritarian KING-SAINT , which is the saint , just because he was the King of Great Empire.
May be this believe is taken, just from Russian menthality.

I believe that people , deserve the equal justice in this world and in another world ,
people deserve to be respected , not as a mass or cattle , but as a human unts , as a personalities ,
respected socio-economicly , politicly with their freedom and rights.

God , knows better who deserve to be called a ‘‘Saint’’
and if we honour the personality and give to this personality ‘’ too much functions , and abilities ‘’ , than we might decieve ourselves.

I would like to hear more thoughts about Czar Nicholas II

For example , I just read in wikipedia that -

‘’ Nicholas II ruled from 1894 until his abdication on 15 March 1917. His reign saw Imperial Russia go from being one of the foremost great powers of the world to an economic and military disaster. Critics nicknamed him Bloody Nicholas because of the Khodynka Tragedy, Bloody Sunday, and the anti-Semitic pogroms that occurred during his reign. Under his rule, Russia was defeated in the Russo–Japanese War. As head of state, he approved the Russian mobilization of August 1914, which marked the first fatal step into World War I and thus into the demise of the Romanov dynasty less than four years later.’’

I know , that wikipedia’s information is also debatable , but what do we think about these argumentations ?
 
May be this faith is derived from the believe in the divinity of the Russian King.
Or derived from the believe that Russian King has a right to ‘‘command’’ to ‘‘order’’ like a God in heaven.
I have read some where that when there was a question of leaving the throne , the Russian people kneeled down in front of the King - John the Fourth ( Ivan Fourth ) and were begging him to continue to be the King , and not to make them ‘‘orphans’’

Actually the same feelings in the hearts of the people were when Stalin died and people were crying and were staying till the evening on the streets and were feeling like a ‘‘lost ones’’.
That is , why I think that , may be this title as a ‘‘Saint’’ , is derived from this faith in ''the divinity of ruling elite ‘’, the ''divinity of the king ‘’.

I do not know
I am citizen of Ukraine
I do not have University education , and I am not expert in religion or history , I just read some books.
And what I think is that the attention that Russia uses to pay for its KINGS is very very high and respectful.
Even , when we read some of the Russian writers , we read the verses ‘’ OUR EARTHLY GOD… or ‘’ INSTEAD OF LAW , THERE IS A PILLAR AND ON THE PILLAR IS THE CROWN’’… ( probably - Pushkin or Lermontov… )

i think that , there is a believe , or its even a kind of religious believe , kind of - ISLAM , but not -Islam towards the religion , but Islam towards the KING , towards the ruling elite , the government.
Its a believe in the ''sainthood ‘’ and ''holiness ‘’ of government … of holiness of a King.

I do not know , for example , - Some historiographers , today try to make the ‘‘glorification of NKVD ‘’ heroes…
Some historians call them ‘’ one of the the biggest criminals in the history ‘’ and other historians call them ‘’ great heroes’’ .
Even call them ‘’ the best’’ or ‘‘one of the best Russians’’ in the history.

I am Ukrainian , so I can see the damage which those despots did to us.
Ukrainians are not lazy people , so for us ‘’ serfdom’’ was not a good system.
Ukrainias are tillers of the ground , hard working , prosperous peasants , so we look at ‘‘poverty’’ as a disgusting thing , that’s why the ‘’ bolshevism ‘’ was not a system which was for our people.
Because our hard-working pesant abhours the culture of poverty , becuase of our energy of tiller of the ground.
The private ownership i in our menthality is in our consciousness.

So , how for example , I can praise the ruler , who brought the ‘‘serfdom’’ or ‘‘bolshevism’’ to my nation. And made so much damage , during so many years , to the nation by those systems.
For example ,
15 millions Ukrainians died in Holodomor ( its like before it was the population of Canada )
15 millions of Ukrainians . And after all that damage , we hear that those dictators and tyrans , who used to be more destructive than any other dictators , are called o be ‘’ the heroes ‘’ and ‘’ the best Russians ‘’ .

(It seems that we live in a ''new ussr ‘’ , if historiography calls them heroes, and praise their acts. )

Archibishop Benjamin , in his speach in Paris , at 1945 , called the Soviet government as the one which is put by God , and that a blessing will come to those who will support the Soviet governmet.

In Europe , the government was never higher than the Church , there were even the times when the Church was higher than the governmetn (Catholic , Calvinist )

Yes , I think that , there should be the respect to the Kings , no matter of their life .
But , in my opinion , the ''glorification ‘’ and ‘‘divinity’’ towards the Kings , in th terms of the ''titles of Saints ‘’ , it God who decides .
( I am sorry , I am converted Evangelical Christian , so I have my way of thinking . )

and also , may be it has some reflection towards ''Sainthood ‘’

For example , I do not agree with ‘’ authoritarian rulership ‘’ , I do not believe in Asian ‘‘pyramidical’’ model of rulership .

I believe that todays kings , presidents , governments , should be ‘‘controlled’’ by the people , should be judged ‘’ by the critical way of thinking , according to what they do for the people , and how they rule.
I am against the idea of despotic authoritarian KING-SAINT , which is the saint , just because he was the King of Great Empire.
May be this believe is taken, just from Russian menthality.

I believe that people , deserve the equal justice in this world and in another world ,
people deserve to be respected , not as a mass or cattle , but as a human unts , as a personalities ,
respected socio-economicly , politicly with their freedom and rights.

God , knows better who deserve to be called a ‘‘Saint’’
and if we honour the personality and give to this personality ‘’ too much functions , and abilities ‘’ , than we might decieve ourselves.

I would like to hear more thoughts about Czar Nicholas II

For example , I just read in wikipedia that -

‘’ Nicholas II ruled from 1894 until his abdication on 15 March 1917. His reign saw Imperial Russia go from being one of the foremost great powers of the world to an economic and military disaster. Critics nicknamed him Bloody Nicholas because of the Khodynka Tragedy, Bloody Sunday, and the anti-Semitic pogroms that occurred during his reign. Under his rule, Russia was defeated in the Russo–Japanese War. As head of state, he approved the Russian mobilization of August 1914, which marked the first fatal step into World War I and thus into the demise of the Romanov dynasty less than four years later.’’

I know , that wikipedia’s information is also debatable , but what do we think about these argumentations ?
Do you really want to know what I think? I think you’re an intelligent person who’s knowledge on Russian history is well grounded. 🙂
 
Common to Catholic and Eastern Orthodox since 1054:

Edward the Confessor 1066
Euphrosyne of Polatsk 1173
Agnes 1253
Gregory Palamas 1359
Isaac Jogues 1646
When was Gregory Palamas recognized as a saint in the Roman Catholic Church?
The reason he is saint in the Orthodox Church is because he argued for the existence of the Divine Energies against the Roman Catholic doctrine of created grace. His argument was made in response to a Roman Catholic scholastic priest, Barlaam the Calabrian, who accused Gregory of heresy.
 
When was Gregory Palamas recognized as a saint in the Roman Catholic Church?
The reason he is saint in the Orthodox Church is because he argued for the existence of the Divine Energies against the Roman Catholic doctrine of created grace. His argument was made in response to a Roman Catholic scholastic priest, Barlaam the Calabrian, who accused Gregory of heresy.
The so called Roman Catholic Church is actually the Catholic Church which is the Roman Curia and 23 Churches sui iuris. Do you mean the Latin Church or Catholic Church? The Catholic Church does accept St. Gregory Archbishop of Thessalonica as you can see in the liturgy below.

I don’t know how the Chaldean’s regarded St. Palamas when they united in 1552. It may have been the Union of Brest, 1595, or Union of Uzhorod 1646 that is the earliest. Also, it is unknown to me if any of these liturgies were ever supressed. As for today, this is from the Byzantine Catholic Church: Vesper Propers for the Second Sunday of the Great Fast: Memory of our Holy Father Gregory, Archbishop of Thessalonica.

We sing:

Stichera of our holy father Gregory - Tone 2
What hymns of praise shall we sing to honor the holy bishop? He is the trumpet of theology and the inspired song of grace, the precious vessel of the Holy Spirit and the unshakable pillar of the Church, the great joy of the universe and the holy stream of wisdom, the candle stick of the light and the brilliant star that illumines all creation.

With what wreaths of hymns shall we crown this holy bishop? He is the invincible support of devotion and the avowed enemy of godlessness, the zealous defender of the faith and the teacher and master of holy monks, the harmonious lyre of the Spirit and the golden tongue, the fountain from which the faithful draw healing waters, holy Gregory, who is worthy of all admiration.

With what lips shall we mortals praise this holy bishop? He is the teacher of the Church and the herald of the divine light, the one who is immersed in the Trinity, the most beautiful adornment of holy monks, renowned for his divine contemplation and the brightness of his virtues; the pride and glory of Thessalonica; and the holy Demetrius, whose relics flow with holy oil, shares with him the kingdom of heaven.

Doxastikon of our holy father Gregory - Tone 6
O most holy and thrice blessed father, you are a disciple of Christ the high priest as well as a good shepherd; you have given your life for your sheep. And now, O holy and God bearing Gregory, intercede with him to grant us his great mercy.

**Aposticha Doxastikon of our holy father Gregory - **Tone 8
Your voice, which is always ready to teach, resounds in the ears of our hearts; it a wakens even the most slothful souls. And by your inspired words, you show us the steps of the ladder which leads us from earth to God. O holy Gregory, wonder of Thessalonica, intercede with Christ, that with his divine bright ness, he may enlighten those who honor your memory.

Troparion of our Holy Father Gregory - Tone 8
O Light of the true faith, teacher and support of the Church, adornment of monks and invincible rampart of theologians, O holy Gregory the Wonder worker, the glory of Thessalonica and the herald of grace, intercede with God for the salvation of our souls.

Common to Catholic and Eastern Orthodox since 1054 (revised):

Edward the Confessor 1066
Euphrosyne of Polatsk 1173
Gregory Palamas 1359
 
My, my. From a superficial reading, this sounds a lot like King Charles the Martyr among the Anglicans.
 
When was Gregory Palamas recognized as a saint in the Roman Catholic Church?
The reason he is saint in the Orthodox Church is because he argued for the existence of the Divine Energies against the Roman Catholic doctrine of created grace. His argument was made in response to a Roman Catholic scholastic priest, Barlaam the Calabrian, who accused Gregory of heresy.
Barlaam was not a Latin catholic priest. He was a member of the church of constantinople. Barlaam’s views were not at all favorable to the Latins either.
 
Russian thinker Berdiaev , says that - ‘’ Bolshevism is historical logics ‘’
All clever people predicted its coming.
(Russian writers Dostoevskiy , Lermontov , Saltikov-Shedrin , Merezhkovskiy , Leontiev… )

Dostoevskiy writes ; - ‘’ all our inteligencia all the time used to get farther and farther from its own people , and eventually loose direct communication with its people , and used to contact with them only through the office ( through the intermediators ) …

There is a law of sawing and reaping ; There were the misarable conditions of the serfs , people used to be sold out together with a land , and were considered almoust as enimals , there was absence of rights , injustice and lawlessness in the serfs harems

Even after the formal abolishion of serfdom
there were unbearable conditions of poor people , and nobility was characterised by drunkenous , gluttony , laziness , neglect of its duties before the people …
So , as Berdiaev says - ‘’ Bolshevism is historical logics ‘’

But , I would like to pay attention to the theme of adoration of the king.
Eevn in Russian literature before the Sobviets , the glorification of despotic-kings was the same . I mean that Soviet and now , modern publishers just continue the OLD TRADITION to adore its historical tyrans.

From the history we know that even the people who were nobility , they used to address its speach or letter towards the king as ‘’ your bondsman and slave ‘’
The nobility openly confessed themselves as a kings serfs.
They used to confess the kings rights to their property , their bodies , their lives.

I think the worst thing in the history , its when they try to apply it to other neighbours nations.

Because , of course , even today , we can not have the chineze wall with Russia , we co-exist and must co-exist in the future.
But excuse me
I have my own opinion about it.
Britain had also colonies , and we see now how the countries like Australia , Canada , New Zeeland looks like.
And I also can see to what level Moscows imperialism transformed the nation Ukraine, which before was rich , cultural , and economicly prosperous .

I think that religious ideals and heroes today , reflect on political ideals and heroes.

I think that in todays life instead of ‘’ servility ‘’ towards the ruling elite , we need a critical mind , we need to question them , to ask from them , to control them.

Of course Russia can not be democratic country , democracy in Russia means chaos and anarchy , and eventually the end of Russia .
History proved that its a failure at least to try to limit the despotic government there.
May be the ruling elite understands , that only the Asian-model is working in Russia.
Because in my opinion Russians have very much from the Asian menthality , ideals , even genetics ( Tatar’s genetics is much present in Russian genetics )
I think democracy will just split the country there .
So , that is why the authoritarianism is the only system there.
And political and socio-economical ideals are according to the Asian-model , and not European model.
That’s why in my opinion , the worst thing is when they try to apply its models to ather nations , and not only in political , economic doctrines , but also in religious ideals, and ‘‘saints’’ ideals.
 
Barlaam was not a Latin catholic priest. He was a member of the church of constantinople. Barlaam’s views were not at all favorable to the Latins either.
I stand corrected. He was originally an Orthodox monk from a Greek community in Calabria, Italy. While he resided in Constantinople, he served as a teacher and abbbot of San Salvatore, after being a monk on Mt. Athos.

After his condemnation at the council of Blachernae in May, 1341, he returned to Italy where he accepted the authority of Rome. He was consecrated bishop of Gerace, in the province of Reggio in Calabria. He died in 1348.

Does anyone know when St. Gregory Palamas was canonized by the Roman Catholic Church and who was the Pope who did so? Also, does the Roman Catholic Church still believe in created grace. What is Rome’s position concerning the Orthodox doctrine of the Divine Energies and articulated by St. Gregory Palamas?
 
I stand corrected. He was originally an Orthodox monk from a Greek community in Calabria, Italy. While he resided in Constantinople, he served as a teacher and abbbot of San Salvatore, after being a monk on Mt. Athos.

After his condemnation at the council of Blachernae in May, 1341, he returned to Italy where he accepted the authority of Rome. He was consecrated bishop of Gerace, in the province of Reggio in Calabria. He died in 1348.

Does anyone know when St. Gregory Palamas was canonized by the Roman Catholic Church and who was the Pope who did so? Also, does the Roman Catholic Church still believe in created grace. What is Rome’s position concerning the Orthodox doctrine of the Divine Energies and articulated by St. Gregory Palamas?
There is a difference between canonization and simple veneration. Many non-canonized saints are venerated. Saints were often celebrated by popular devotion and recognized by local bishops. Since the liturgies of the Ruthenian Catholics is from the Orthodox, it includes St. Gregody Palamas, and he is venerated. There has been no canonization of him, which requires verification of miracles during life such as bilocation, levitation, and stigmata, or after death of odor of sanctity, liquifaction, incorruptability, and healings.

Created grace is not a dogma of the western church but merely a theological opinion. Both Catholic and Orthodox use the iron in the fire analogy.

Regarding the Beautific Vision, from 1336, Pope Benedict XII, Denzinger – Enchiridion Symbolorum et Definitionum, 530:

"By this edict which will prevail forever, with apostolic authority we declare: that according to the common arrangement of God, souls of all the saints who departed from this world before the passion of our Lord Jesus Christ;

also of the holy apostles, the martyrs, the confessors, virgins, and the other faithful who died after the holy baptism of Christ had been received by them, in whom nothing was to be purged, when they departed, nor will there be when they shall depart also in the future;

or if then there was or there will be anything to be purged in these when after their death they have been purged; and the souls of children departing before the use of free will, reborn and baptized in that same baptism of Christ, when all have been baptized, immediately after their death and that aforesaid purgation in those who were in need of a purgation of this kind, even before the resumption of their bodies and the general judgment after the ascension of our Savior, our Lord Jesus Christ, into heaven, have been, are, and will be in heaven, in the kingdom of heaven and in celestial paradise with Christ, united in the company of the holy angels, and after the passion and death of our Lord Jesus Christ have seen and see the divine essence by intuitive vision, and even face to face, with no mediating creature, serving in the capacity of an object seen, but divine essence immediately revealing itself plainly, clearly, and openly, to them, and seeing thus they enjoy the same divine essence, and also that from such vision and enjoyment their souls, which now have departed, are truly blessed and they have eternal life and rest;

and also [the souls] of those who afterwards will depart, will see that same divine essence, and will enjoy it before the general judgment;

and that such vision of the divine essence and its enjoyment makes void the acts of faith and hope in them, inasmuch as faith and hope are proper theological virtues;

and that after there has begun or will be such intuitive and face-to-face vision and enjoyment in these, the same vision and enjoyment without any interruption [intermission] or departure of the aforesaid vision and enjoyment exist continuously and will continue even up to the last judgment and from then even unto eternity."

See item 530 here:
catecheticsonline.com/SourcesofDogma6.php
 
It truly does, I have read some of the King Charles collects.

There are many Greek Catholic Vespers similar to this.

You can read the chants here (click on Vespers).
metropolitancantorinstitute.org/LiturgicalCalendar.html
:thumbsup:Very interesting, Vico.

I couldn’t find the chants referring to Czar Nicholas (if that’s what you meant). Or were there chants referring to ‘royal martyrs’ in general? Because I think they do exist in the Orthodox ‘Western Rite’.

Thanks,

Mike
 
:thumbsup:Very interesting, Vico.

I couldn’t find the chants referring to Czar Nicholas (if that’s what you meant). Or were there chants referring to ‘royal martyrs’ in general? Because I think they do exist in the Orthodox ‘Western Rite’.

Thanks,

Mike
Sorry for the confusion, I did not mean Tzar Nicholas II, but in general.

Have you seen a silver pectoral cross that the Tzar gave to the Orthodox priests? I have see a real one, this site has silver reproductions:

holysymbols.com/cross.php?p=nc

It is not a very good photo.
 
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