D’Souza: Atheism is the Opiate of the Morally Corrupt

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Kinda turns the Marxism saying back on them:
D’Souza: Atheism is the Opiate of the Morally Corrupt
Monday, October 15, 2007 6:10 PM
By: Phil Brennan
In his blockbuster new book published Monday, “What’s So Great About Christianity,” Dinesh D’Souza attacks atheism at its very roots, draws line between Darwinism, which he maintains is the creed of atheists, and the scientific theory of evolution, shows how atheistic inspired movements killed millions in the last century alone, and explains why Christianity is the fastest growing religion in the world today.
From further down in the interview (and the reason for the title):
Isn’t the demand for freedom from all morality and a license to do whatever one’s carnal desires crave the real reason why most atheists deny the existence of a divine lawgiver?

“I think it is the main reason, the desire to escape not just sexual rules but also to escape from ultimate moral judgment. Marx once said that religion is the opiate of the masses. He implied that religion was a kind of refuge. I turn this around and note that atheism is the opiate of the morally corrupt. Atheists try and escape the idea of judgment by getting rid of the judge.”
I heard D’Souza on Al Kresta yesterday, very interesting.

I will probably put his book on my list.
 
Where do people get the idea that there’s only one kind of atheist, and that that kind is a Communist Manifesto-waving militant hedonist?

D’Souza is dead wrong. Atheism does not come about because people want to escape judgment. He’s thinking of universalism. Faith is not dependent on morals – if it were, I highly doubt your own escutcheon would have so many blots on it.

Swing and a miss.
 
i’d like to know exactly how atheism functions like an Opiate.
 
Yes, there are many different types of atheists. In the same way there are many diffent types of theists. He is only attacking one type. The positivist/marxist type.
 
i’d like to know exactly how atheism functions like an Opiate.
Marx criticism wasn’t so much of the moral guidelines that people adhere to, but that people get locked into a belief and can’t see outside of it. The context of his remarks are inside his belief that people, at the turn of the 19th century, were in a class stupor. He advocated revolution by the lower classes in order to improve their lives. He saw religion as a factor in people’s lives that was keeping them complacent, trudging in poor conditions and circumstances and not working at change. He believed religion had them in a God will take care of me stupor. And probably, some people were.

He was not entirely incorrect in his philosophies, he has some class and labor philosophies that are used today. The other thing is that people take the ideas of Marx and twist them to their own purposes. Marx himself once said that the way in which people were using his philosophies…that he was not Marxist himself.

Taking his comment, that religion is the opiate of the masses, and using that as a reason for religion not existing, or for criticizing religious belief in general…is completely outside of the context in which Marx said it. And, I think when people use it in that fashion it shows more their own prejudices than any sort of intellectual understanding of Marxist philosophy.

I do understand the idea that the author is trying to put across. Religious people believe that God gives us humans moral guidelines. It takes personal discipline to live within these guidelines. Do religious people fail at this discipline? Sure. Have people used religion to justify less than moral behavior? Yes they have. But that doesn’t change the fact that religious people believe they are called by God to live moral lives.

Atheism has no such moral call. Each person is free to choose their own moral guidelines. Most atheists believe that the guidelines they have chosen for themselves (and families) are good, and just. Non harmful, in a physical sense, to others. But that is not the whole equation of morality, not in a religious definition.

Where atheists see non-harm, religious people see great harm. To society and to the soul of individuals and humanity as a whole. Marx described religion as an opiate, because it kept people in a stupor of “God will provide”, and they wouldn’t or couldn’t see a need for change. Atheism is an opiate, because it keeps people in a stupor that doesn’t allow them to see the need for God defined morals.
 
I agree with you up to here:
Atheism has no such moral call. Each person is free to choose their own moral guidelines. Most atheists believe that the guidelines they have chosen for themselves (and families) are good, and just. Non harmful, in a physical sense, to others. But that is not the whole equation of morality, not in a religious definition.
You select your definition of morality just as much as a non-believer does – it’s just that your choice is phrased slightly differently. ‘I think this is good’ becomes ‘I think God said this is good’. People leave and join different faiths and denominations over moral quibbles all the time – they choose to adhere to a different code. Don’t pretend faith arrives with an unshakable morality as a kind of Happy Meal toy. If that were true, Catholicism wouldn’t have Call to Action or the pre-Vatican II set, the Anglican Communion wouldn’t be fracturing, and there’d be no debates about Harry Potter.

Atheism doesn’t come prepackaged with an ethical system because it isn’t a religion. It’s a position on the question of God’s existence. What need is there for the trappings of religion – rites, rituals, scriptures, traditions – when what we’re talking about is nothing more than one answer to one question? Atheists do not go to church on Sundays to hear readings from The Origin of Species. It’s a stance on one single solitary issue, and is not – and cannot ever be – more than that. Morals are an entirely separate question.
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Sam Harris is a fairly well known atheist (I think). Here is a link an agnostic friend of mine send me. It is Sam talking to fellow like minded people. He’s not timid, mind you to consider his audience as well.
Brilliant article, thanks for posting it! 🙂
 
Marx described religion as an opiate, because it kept people in a stupor of “God will provide”, and they wouldn’t or couldn’t see a need for change.
great post, rebecca.
Atheism is an opiate, because it keeps people in a stupor that doesn’t allow them to see the need for God defined morals.
i cant quite agree. opiates offer a false sense of security, does it not?
 
I agree with you up to here:

You select your definition of morality just as much as a non-believer does – it’s just that your choice is phrased slightly differently. ‘I think this is good’ becomes ‘I think God said this is good’. People leave and join different faiths and denominations over moral quibbles all the time – they choose to adhere to a different code. Don’t pretend faith arrives with an unshakable morality as a kind of Happy Meal toy. If that were true, Catholicism wouldn’t have Call to Action or the pre-Vatican II set, the Anglican Communion wouldn’t be fracturing, and there’d be no debates about Harry Potter.

Atheism doesn’t come prepackaged with an ethical system because it isn’t a religion. It’s a position on the question of God’s existence. What need is there for the trappings of religion – rites, rituals, scriptures, traditions – when what we’re talking about is nothing more than one answer to one question? Atheists do not go to church on Sundays to hear readings from The Origin of Species. It’s a stance on one single solitary issue, and is not – and cannot ever be – more than that. Morals are an entirely separate question.
What a person believes or does not believe about God profoundly effects their behavior. If I believe God wants me to kill all the people within a square block of my house…that is a reflection of what I believe God is.

A lack of belief in God is no different. Each individual acts in a way that is a reflection of their own beliefs. And individual beliefs are greatly influenced by the moral guidelines that a person chooses to adhere to.

I never said that choice was removed.
 
I think first we would have to show that Christians are somehow more moral than atheists. Based on my experiences with both groups, I think that is a false assumption.
 
so how can it be objectively rationalized that rejection of God-defined-morals tantamounts to false security?
There is a sense of security within atheism that humans are somehow high enough in our ideals, in our shared goals, in our struggle for survival, that we will make an ethical choice because to do so is in our self interest.

There is no reason for God to exist within atheism because an atheist is secure in inhumanity’s will to do what ensures the survival of our selves. This is a false sense of security.
 
There are atheists and there are atheists. Some are Darwinian, some are Marxist, some are militant, some are anti-religion, some are religion tolerant, some are just laissez-faire atheists, some tend to merge more into agnosticism.

Nat Hentoff, for example, is an atheist who is more staunchly pro-life tham many Catholics. He writes articles for not only the Village Voice, but also the Washington Times, the Jewish Review, and has done pieces for the Catholic publication First Things.
 
There is a sense of security within atheism that humans are somehow high enough in our ideals, in our shared goals, in our struggle for survival, that we will make an ethical choice because to do so is in our self interest.
i think its more of a sense of optimism than one of security.
There is no reason for God to exist within atheism because an atheist is secure in inhumanity’s will to do what ensures the survival of our selves. This is a false sense of security.
anyway, how is it a false sense?
 
I think first we would have to show that Christians are somehow more moral than atheists. Based on my experiences with both groups, I think that is a false assumption.
How would you posit that we do this when each individual is responsible for his own definition of morality?
 
I think first we would have to show that Christians are somehow more moral than atheists. Based on my experiences with both groups, I think that is a false assumption.
i would feel on more solid ground showing that christianity is more moral than what preceded it, greek and roman paganism, and what followed it, modernism.

perhaps what d’souza is getting at is that there’s something self-indulgent and self-centered about atheism, whereas religious people tend to frame their lives around something fundamental that exists outside of their individual selves.
 
i would feel on more solid ground showing that christianity is more moral than what preceded it, greek and roman paganism, and what followed it, modernism.
what makes christianity better than modernism?
 
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