Dad at 13 , Mom at 15

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

. … Thank goodness they are not Muslims especially so for the girl.

So , you believe it’s better for a 15 years old girl to enjoy close intimacy and have baby without marriage but she must not allowed to have a husband ??? Which one do u think is lawful by God’s command ?

 

[nfabienne]

We do observe the OT but through the birth of Jesus we have the new testament and the promise that was given to us by His death on the cross for our salvation, of forgiveness for our sins, that does not mean that we should sin. It means that if we do sin, we are all human and have weakness, but we can be forgiven when we seek Gods forgiveness. Fear of God the way I understand it is He wants us to love and obey Him with our free will not love Him because we are forced by our fears to do so. He wants us to fear Him as a child fears hurting their parent. I may be wrong so anyone please feel free to correct my understanding. I fear offending Him because I love Him, when I was younger I had no fear of Him because I chose not to acknowledge Him in my life. I did not know Him nor truly love Him so I did not fear Him.
**Proverbs
1:7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline.

1:29-31 Since they hated knowledge and did not choose to fear the Lord, since they would not accept my advice and spurned my rebuke, they will eat the fruit of their ways and be filled with the fruit of their schemes.
(This was what I did as a teenager!)

Psalms
86:11 Teach me your way, O Lord, and I will walk in your truth; give me an undivided heart, that I may fear your name.**

As far as marriage I still can not answer this, it is I believe their personal matter and it is between them and God now. I will pray for them. God Bless

 

[notself]

The children seem to want to finish school - so that’s good. They are receiving financial and emotional support from their parents - so that’s good. The baby is healthy and in a loving environment - so that’s good.

Overall, I think things are going well for everyone concerned.

I am more concerned about the children of Nadya Suleman getting proper care. That situation is definitely not good.

 

[Agabriel]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

Do u think they should get married ?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/02/13/article-1144244-03809C4A000005DC-789_468x579.jpg

The Sun shows 13-year-old Alfie with daughter Maisie and the baby’s mother Chantelle Stedman, bottom right

Teenage sister of boy who became a father at 13 had baby when she was the same age

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1144244/Teenage-sister-boy-father-13-baby-age.html

No, they should not get married. And in our country with our laws the woman won’t get stoned and the boy won’t get whipped or stoned either. They will be allowed to grow up.

Their parents should be under the guidance of the state and given parenting classes. If they are a problem then these two should be taken away and given to relatives to take care of. The baby should be put up for adoption or another family member allowed to take care of it if the parents are found to be unfit.

 

[Matrix_Refugee]

The children seem to want to finish school - so that’s good. They are receiving financial and emotional support from their parents - so that’s good. The baby is healthy and in a loving environment - so that’s good.

Overall, I think things are going well for everyone concerned.

I am more concerned about the children of Nadya Suleman getting proper care. That situation is definitely not good.

Mmm, I think this is a simple case of kids making not the most wise choices, but at least having the maturity to realize they goofed horribly and are accepting the consequences. I doubt they were thinking, “Oh, let’s have a baby so we can get attention from the mass media!” like someone we know a lot too much about…

 

[thereseozi]

DNA proves Alfie not the father
tvnz.co.nz/world-news/dna-proves-alfie-not-father-2591619

DNA tests have revealed the British boy alleged to have fathered a daughter at the age of 12 is not the dad.

Alfie Patten, who is 13 but at just four feet tall looks much younger, was convinced he was the father of 15-year-old Chantelle Stedman’s baby Maisie, after a night of unprotected sex.

Tabloids have previously reported that half a dozen boys have slept with Chantelle, which is what prompted the DNA test.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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…half a dozen boys have slept with Chantelle,

still she is toooooo young for marriage by men made laws. Which one is better for her …to get married or continue her life style like this ???

btw , any news who is the the real dad ???

 

[deb1]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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still she is toooooo young for marriage by men made laws. Which one is better for her …to get married or continue her life style like this ???

btw , any news who is the the real dad ???

Marriage at such a young age will not prevent this girl from having sex with other men. She needs to have therapy, learn to value herself and get closer to God. In the end, only God can fill up the emptiness that some people feel in their hearts.

We should pray for this young lady and her baby.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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Marriage at such a young age will not prevent this girl from having sex with other men…

We can’t say it for sure. She should get a chance to marry & enjoy life lawfully . Also , We must not prevent a mom from getting married & giving her child an identity .

 

[deb1]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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We can’t say it for sure. She should get a chance to marry & enjoy life lawfully . Also , We must not prevent a mom from getting married & giving her child an identity .

I would rather that a child be concived in marriage, of course. The mother is very young and her actions with many men do not indicate that she has to maturity to remain faithful in a marriage at this point.

Her child does have an identity. Did you mean that her child could have the last name of the dad? The baby can have the biological dad’s last name, once they figure out who he is.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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The baby can have the biological dad’s last name, once they figure out who he is.

what if they can’t find it out ??

I want to know about the solution on religious ground . If the mom & the read dad …say he is 16 or 17 …go to the Church , will the Bishop/Pastor ( ? ) do something about their marriage ?

 

[kyria]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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what if they can’t find it out ??

I want to know about the solution on religious ground . If the mom & the read dad …say he is 16 or 17 …go to the Church , will the Bishop/Pastor ( ? ) do something about their marriage ?

Solution to what? the girl had a baby at a young age and made a mistake like many others do. She might or might go on to make the same mistake again, but what solution are you looking for? that someone agrees she should get married? getting married isn’t a solution, it’s only opening up another possible mistake. I certainly hope no priest or bishop would marry and pursuade this girl to marry. I can’t imagine any priest being that immature. For a priest to agree to marry someone, the priest needs to be sure that the couple are ready for marriage. Doesn’t always happen. A priest once told my brother to go and grow up and get some counselling before he’d marry him and his gf, unfortunately he found another priest to marry them. Plus this girl might too young legally to marry anyway.

I got married because I was pregnant. That was a dumb thing to do.

The only solution to this delimna is someone trying to counsel the girl that sleeping around isn’t cocher with God or her health or future.

Are you seriously trying to look for a solution from a Catholic standpoint, or a solution that fits in with your idea of a solution?

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

… I certainly hope no priest or bishop would marry and pursuade this girl to marry.

What’s the minimum age of marriage according to the Churches , specially holy Bible ?

I can’t imagine any priest being that immature.

Is there any specific rules regarding this ? Who is to take the decision ?

the priest needs to be sure that the couple are ready for marriage.

What’s the criteria / standard to determine all these ?

Are you seriously trying to look for a solution from a Catholic standpoint,

I want to know on the basis of your holy book .

 

[deb1]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

What’s the minimum age of marriage according to the Churches , specially holy Bible ?

Is there any specific rules regarding this ? Who is to take the decision ?

What’s the criteria / standard to determine all these ?

I want to know on the basis of your holy book .

I don’t think that the New Testament has any rules about the age of marriage. I think that the early Church members followed their local rules about age restrictions like modern Christians do.

Marriage is a sacrament. The Church requires that both indiduals be able to give full consent before they enter into marriage.

Perhaps there are some 15 year olds who could enter into a marriage and have the maturity to understand completly their vows. Considering this young girl’s actions with mulitiple partners and her willingness to lie about the father, I would not think that she has the maturity yet to be married.

 

[kyria]

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I want to know on the basis of your holy book .**

Why don’t you read it?

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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Why don’t you read it?

woow . So , the Catholic forum should be closed because both Christians & non-Christians must read the full Bible & are supposed to find answers from there ?

btw , I read many chapters of Bible , did not find any verse that says a girl can have a baby without marriage but she can’t get married . That’s why I am asking .

What’s the minimum age for marriage ? Why a girl can enjoy life with unlimited partners , can have babies without marriage but can’t get married legally ? These are not supported by your holy book , Am I right ?

 

[IrishDude45]

No, of course they shouldn’t get married at that age! Now, if by the time they are 18 and 20 or so, it could be thought over again. Thought, judging from the maturity levels shown, I’m not sure it would be a good idea even then. Sad situation…

pax

 

[notself]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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woow . So , the Catholic forum should be closed because both Christians & non-Christians must read the full Bible & are supposed to find answers from there ?

btw , I read many chapters of Bible , did not find any verse that says a girl can have a baby without marriage but she can’t get married . That’s why I am asking .

What’s the minimum age for marriage ? Why a girl can enjoy life with unlimited partners , can have babies without marriage but can’t get married legally ? These are not supported by your holy book , Am I right ?

The restrictions on getting married are secular legal ones and vary country by country and State by State. In most of the USA the age for marriage without parental consent is 18. I believe it is the same in Great Britain. If I were the mother of this girl, I would not consent to her marrying at such a young age. I would get her counciling.

 

[Eucharisted]

I forgot to say, the reason I posted this story in Secular News was not because of the issue of marriage or the parent’s young age, but because I wanted to show CAF that even children know better than to kill babies and that out of the mouth of babes comes wisdom.

 

[cathopologist]

The restrictions on getting married are secular legal ones and vary country by country and State by State. In most of the USA the age for marriage without parental consent is 18. I believe it is the same in Great Britain.

Same here in Singapore, but you have to be above 21 to register your marriage.