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Do you remember those booklets that were issued by Scripture Union, called ‘Daily Bread’ ? Well, I do. They were basically and aid to one’s devotions and sometime they were right on target. They hit the spot and sometimes not.
This thread is going to really blow your mind. That is if I don’t get side tracked.
<while I am writing.
Do you remember when the Lord was driven by the Spirit of God to go into the wilderness to be tested by the devil for 40 days ? Okay, and do you remember what our Lord said to satan after the first temptation ? In those words were three basic ideas that I think most believers regardless of their religious differences get immediately.
(1)Jesus was quoting from the written word, to which he had given the highest authority. (Moses testified of me, they testify of me…etc.) < there are more than enough references in the New Testament that reveal Jesus acknowledging what was written by Moses, and the prophets and those amazing Psalms. <often referred to as the songs of the throne room…or something like that.
(3) - Is by far the most controversial. So I am going to leave it for last.
(2) - There is no doubt that the Lord blesses food and expects us to bless food with thanksgiving to our Father in our heaven and our hearts, from the heart. Hoewever, in this moment of temptation, Jesus was fasting for fourty days. (and nights ?) and the New Testament records that ‘he hungered’…it was here that the devil attempted to cause the last Adam to fall, just like the first Adam had. He appeals to his lusts and ironically present the mind of Jesus with and image…stone turning into bread. It was no more wicked than what he had tried upon Eve. (we read how she responded to the tree of knowledge of good and evil - she lusted with her eyes, and then her flesh and finally she was filled with the pride of life…and desired to be equal with God.) But Jesus is the one who refuses the image of that he portrays…and he does so by referrng to:
1st The written word…‘it is written’
2nd The spoken word…‘every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’
Now, in certain circles folks only see that Jesus is referring to the written word as having power, and yet Jesus is speaking as well, and then Jesus refers to the ‘words’ from the ‘mouth’ of GOD. You surely recall Jesus words ‘my words are spirit and they are life’ (He certainly gave satan a thorough teaching from the written word… Dueteronomy and Psalms…<the Psalm was 91 and certainly one that exposes us to the very nature of satan…This Ps. is often used in much the same way Jewish folks do with the scroll on the door post.
So we have physical food (in the Lord’s prayer) and written food (the scriptures) and another kind of food…words directly out of the mouth of God…what are referred to as oral traditions.
Now non-Catholics especially Proties and Calies do not normally go for the idea and respond with Sola Scriptura. Yet it is true that there are simply millions of books written by non-Catholics, and there are creeds and catechisms that abound. So the claim to Scrirpture alone, is exactly the same as what is called oral traditions by both Jewish folks and Roman Catholic folk. The commentaries for all are and example of the oral traditions that are referred to by Jesus.
But the one I have found that is less popular of all is the one that I think is foremost in Jesus’ mind. He after all referred to himself as the bread of life, and said that his words were spirit and life, and even Peter said, to whom shall we go for you have the words of life…this third idea is one that is almost shunned at as being heretical. That a person in the 21st Century might speak or hear the word of God, in much the same way as the prophets and early aposltes had. I have continually been at the receiving end of extreme hatred for saying that men still speak the oracles of God…I am contronted by Hebrews 1 and 2 Timothy 3:15 and 16.
I respond simply by asking, do you not hear His voice apart from the Scriptures ? To which I am insulted and called a heretic. I know this is not the position in the Catholic Church, who open heartedly accepted the Pentecostals who left their churches and the Charasmatics that united in fellowship.
I read regularly from the words of Charasmatics like Catherine Marshall, Don Harper and others…to which those who I used to identify with most viciously shout, heretic, false teacher etc.
So without further ado, do you a Catholic enjoy the voice of God apart from the written word, apart from written oral traditions, apart from any book, juist in your time of quite reflection and meditation…*do you hear the still small voice or the booming voice of God the Holy Spirit in your innermost being, the same voice that spoke to the prophets, the kings and the apostles, do you? *
Love,
Pophead.
ps. Mark this controversial.
This thread is going to really blow your mind. That is if I don’t get side tracked.
<while I am writing.Do you remember when the Lord was driven by the Spirit of God to go into the wilderness to be tested by the devil for 40 days ? Okay, and do you remember what our Lord said to satan after the first temptation ? In those words were three basic ideas that I think most believers regardless of their religious differences get immediately.
- Jesus used the authority of the written word.
- Jesus mentioned our daily bread.
- Jesus spoke of the words that came from the mouth of God.
(1)Jesus was quoting from the written word, to which he had given the highest authority. (Moses testified of me, they testify of me…etc.) < there are more than enough references in the New Testament that reveal Jesus acknowledging what was written by Moses, and the prophets and those amazing Psalms. <often referred to as the songs of the throne room…or something like that.
(3) - Is by far the most controversial. So I am going to leave it for last.
(2) - There is no doubt that the Lord blesses food and expects us to bless food with thanksgiving to our Father in our heaven and our hearts, from the heart. Hoewever, in this moment of temptation, Jesus was fasting for fourty days. (and nights ?) and the New Testament records that ‘he hungered’…it was here that the devil attempted to cause the last Adam to fall, just like the first Adam had. He appeals to his lusts and ironically present the mind of Jesus with and image…stone turning into bread. It was no more wicked than what he had tried upon Eve. (we read how she responded to the tree of knowledge of good and evil - she lusted with her eyes, and then her flesh and finally she was filled with the pride of life…and desired to be equal with God.) But Jesus is the one who refuses the image of that he portrays…and he does so by referrng to:
1st The written word…‘it is written’
2nd The spoken word…‘every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’
Now, in certain circles folks only see that Jesus is referring to the written word as having power, and yet Jesus is speaking as well, and then Jesus refers to the ‘words’ from the ‘mouth’ of GOD. You surely recall Jesus words ‘my words are spirit and they are life’ (He certainly gave satan a thorough teaching from the written word… Dueteronomy and Psalms…<the Psalm was 91 and certainly one that exposes us to the very nature of satan…This Ps. is often used in much the same way Jewish folks do with the scroll on the door post.
So we have physical food (in the Lord’s prayer) and written food (the scriptures) and another kind of food…words directly out of the mouth of God…what are referred to as oral traditions.
Now non-Catholics especially Proties and Calies do not normally go for the idea and respond with Sola Scriptura. Yet it is true that there are simply millions of books written by non-Catholics, and there are creeds and catechisms that abound. So the claim to Scrirpture alone, is exactly the same as what is called oral traditions by both Jewish folks and Roman Catholic folk. The commentaries for all are and example of the oral traditions that are referred to by Jesus.
But the one I have found that is less popular of all is the one that I think is foremost in Jesus’ mind. He after all referred to himself as the bread of life, and said that his words were spirit and life, and even Peter said, to whom shall we go for you have the words of life…this third idea is one that is almost shunned at as being heretical. That a person in the 21st Century might speak or hear the word of God, in much the same way as the prophets and early aposltes had. I have continually been at the receiving end of extreme hatred for saying that men still speak the oracles of God…I am contronted by Hebrews 1 and 2 Timothy 3:15 and 16.
I respond simply by asking, do you not hear His voice apart from the Scriptures ? To which I am insulted and called a heretic. I know this is not the position in the Catholic Church, who open heartedly accepted the Pentecostals who left their churches and the Charasmatics that united in fellowship.
I read regularly from the words of Charasmatics like Catherine Marshall, Don Harper and others…to which those who I used to identify with most viciously shout, heretic, false teacher etc.
So without further ado, do you a Catholic enjoy the voice of God apart from the written word, apart from written oral traditions, apart from any book, juist in your time of quite reflection and meditation…*do you hear the still small voice or the booming voice of God the Holy Spirit in your innermost being, the same voice that spoke to the prophets, the kings and the apostles, do you? *
Love,
Pophead.
ps. Mark this controversial.