Dames & Knights of Malta -- Know Anything About Them?

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I was blessed with being a malade at the last annual pilgrimage.

I love the (name removed by moderator)!
 
ByzCath said:
I was blessed with being a malade at the last annual pilgrimage.

I love the (name removed by moderator)!
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Ha ha. I just realized that (name removed by moderator) stands for Sovereign Military Order of Malta.

What do you love about the (name removed by moderator)?
 
TrueLight said:
I only heard about the Knights of Malta today in another thread that was discussing the Knights of Columbus.

Someone posted a picture of the Knights of Malta and I wistfully said that I wish there were a female equivalent. Someone else posted that there are women associated with the Knights of Malta.

I did a quick Google search and found out they are called Dames of the Knights of Malta.

If anyone has ever studied this group, can you post what you’ve learned? If you are part of them even better?

What little I was able to ascertain through a superficial search is that the Dames of Malta are

– " female members of the Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of St. John of Jerusalem, of Rhodes, and of Malta. I don’t know what that means.
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There are two members in my Church, one knight and one dame.

I can ask if they would be willing to contact you. Let me know via PM if you would like me to sponsor an introduction via emai, phone, or whatevever.

-Tim-
 
Can anyone speak a little about their “International Status”?
International status of the Order
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_Military_Order_of_Malta
See also: List of Permanent Observers of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta to the United Nations, List of diplomatic missions of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, and List of diplomatic missions to the Sovereign Military Order of Malta
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With its unique history and unusual present circumstances, the exact status of the Order in international law has been the subject of debate: it claims to be a traditional example of a sovereign entity other than a state. Its two headquarters in Rome — the Palazzo Malta in Via dei Condotti 68, where the Grand Master resides and Government Bodies meet, and the Villa Malta on the Aventine, which hosts the Grand Priory of Rome — Fort Saint Angelo on the island of Malta, the Embassy of the Order to Holy See and the Embassy of the Order to Italy have all been granted extraterritoriality.
Coat of Arms of the Knights, from the facade of the church of San Giovannino dei Cavalieri, Florence
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However, unlike the Holy See, which is sovereign over Vatican City, (name removed by moderator) has had no sovereign territory (other than Fort St Angelo in Malta and a few properties in Italy with extraterritoriality) since the loss of the island of Malta in 1798. The United Nations does not classify it as a “non-member state” but as one of the “entities and intergovernmental organizations having received a standing invitation to participate as observers.” For instance, while the International Telecommunication Union has granted radio identification prefixes to such quasi-sovereign jurisdictions as the United Nations and the Palestinian Authority, (name removed by moderator) has never received one. For awards purposes, amateur radio operators consider (name removed by moderator) to be a separate “entity”, but stations transmitting from there use an entirely unofficial callsign, starting with the prefix “1A”.[12] Likewise, for internet identification, the (name removed by moderator) has neither sought nor been granted a top-level domain, while Vatican City uses its own domain (.va).[13]
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There are differing opinions as to whether a claim to sovereign status has been recognized. Ian Brownlie, Helmut Steinberger, and Wilhelm Wengler are among the experts who say that the claim has not been recognized. Even taking into account the Order’s ambassadorial status among many nations, a claim to sovereign status is sometimes rejected. The Order maintains diplomatic missions around the world and many of the states reciprocate by accrediting ambassadors to the Order.
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Also it’s classification as a “religious order”?
 
TrueLight said:
I only heard about the Knights of Malta today in another thread that was discussing the Knights of Columbus.

Someone posted a picture of the Knights of Malta and I wistfully said that I wish there were a female equivalent. Someone else posted that there are women associated with the Knights of Malta.

I did a quick Google search and found out they are called Dames of the Knights of Malta.

If anyone has ever studied this group, can you post what you’ve learned? If you are part of them even better?

What little I was able to ascertain through a superficial search is that the Dames of Malta are

– " female members of the Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of St. John of Jerusalem, of Rhodes, and of Malta. I don’t know what that means.

– someone said that "Knights of Columbus are a fraternal order. (name removed by moderator) is actually an ecclesial knighthood. I don’t know what that means either. ( I don’t know a lot :D)

– I also found this Oath.

I’m curious as to why I never heard of them before, but I always hear of the Knights of Columbus. I take it they are not as popular?

If anyone has any more information regarding both the Knights and Dames of Malta, I would appreciate it.

Thanks!
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I’m not sure if you saw any of the rest of the website you found the “oath” on, but it contains some pretty silly conspiracies.

There are a lot of good books about the Order of Malta out there, especially regarding the Great Seige of Malta and Battle of Lepanto.
 
scipio337 said:
I’m not sure if you saw any of the rest of the website you found the “oath” on, but it contains some pretty silly conspiracies.

There are a lot of good books about the Order of Malta out there, especially regarding the Great Seige of Malta and Battle of Lepanto.
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No, I didn’t! Thanks for pointing that out. I should really read the site before linking to it,
 
Just a note to anyone that wants to know more about the various Orders: there are 1000 fakes for every valid one.

The name “Order of St. John” (and its variations) is probably the most copied name. An interesting article was written long ago by Mr. Guy Stair Sainty and can be found here: chivalricorders.org/orders/self-styled/selfsty1.htm

Some more interesting write ups on false or self-styled orders can be found on the same site, starting here: chivalricorders.org/orders/self-styled/selfstyl.htm

I also want to point out that however much I respect Mr. Stair Sainty and appreciate his work on the matter, he’s not the end-all and be-all of the chivalric world. Just like with anything else, do your research before joining anything and make up your own mind.

I’ve dealt extensively with the matter of orders of chivalry and can answer questions via PM for anyone interested.
 
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