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I do not wish to judge, or provoke anyone else to judge whether or not anyone is going to Hell, since only God can know that. But I would just like to know what the qualifications are, objectively, that cause one to go to Hell. From my own study and thought, the views on this seem vary disparate: some seem to believe it is very hard for anyone to go to Hell, while some (including Catholics) think it is very easy. For example, some say that the only way to go to Hell is by sinning with absolutely full culpability and never having any remote form of repentance throughout one’s life; while others say one simply has to not be Catholic to go to Hell. I am asking this specifically from a Catholic standpoint, and wanting to know the Catholic teaching on it.
 
I do not wish to judge, or provoke anyone else to judge whether or not anyone is going to Hell, since only God can know that. But I would just like to know what the qualifications are, objectively, that cause one to go to Hell. From my own study and thought, the views on this seem vary disparate: some seem to believe it is very hard for anyone to go to Hell, while some (including Catholics) think it is very easy. For example, some say that the only way to go to Hell is by sinning with absolutely full culpability and never having any remote form of repentance throughout one’s life; while others say one simply has to not be Catholic to go to Hell. I am asking this specifically from a Catholic standpoint, and wanting to know the Catholic teaching on it.
Well Gods mercy has no bounds, but if you reject God in life why would you want to spend eternity with him? it is simply a matter of choice
 
The short answer is that we don’t know how many people are going to hell and therefore we don’t really know how easy it is. We hope for the salvation of all, but we know that “some” people do go to hell. Thats about it.

But I would like to add a thought. Lucifer chose to rebel against God, even though with his angelic intellect he knew with 100% certainty that the outcome of his rebellion would be to spend eternity in hell. This is the mystery of pride. He chose Hell rather than serve God. I think that a lot of people see Hell as some sort of torture prison, which God made to punish those whom he doesn’t like, but this isn’t how it is. Hell is the absence of God, where people freely choose to go. Fulton Sheen wrote that someone who doesn’t love God would suffer much more in heaven than in hell.

It is a mystery we don’t fully understand, but if someone here on earth chooses not to serve God in this life, then there is no real reason to think that s/he will choose any different in the next life. The Christian mission is to proclaim the Gospel and call people to repent of their pride.
 
But I would just like to know what the qualifications are, objectively, that cause one to go to Hell.
The one and only qualification is, are you in a state of grace? If not, then you will not be going to heaven.

The differing viewpoints you hear are concerned with how to acheive and maintain a state of grace…such as OSAS, or having a sacramental life, or having perfect contrition, or just living a “good” life. But the common denominator with all these arguments is, you need to be in a state of grace.
 
I’d add that if we are earnestly seeking God’s favor and His will despite our ignorance, He is willing to cleanse us of our sins though that may be done while in the state of purgatory – which is a gift as well.

However, once we have our eyes opened to our sins we have an obligation to flee from that sin (although we know we will probably fail many more times) else we won’t be able to say we are then earnestly seeking God if we remain complacent.

I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Try to do God’s will, repent when you don’t, repeat. Persevere to the end and you will win the race.
 
I’d add that if we are earnestly seeking God’s favor and His will despite our ignorance, He is willing to cleanse us of our sins though that may be done while in the state of purgatory – which is a gift as well.

However, once we have our eyes opened to our sins we have an obligation to flee from that sin (although we know we will probably fail many more times) else we won’t be able to say we are then earnestly seeking God if we remain complacent.

I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Try to do God’s will, repent when you don’t, repeat. Persevere to the end and you will win the race.
This is a modern thought. In the old days, tresspassing in what now seems like a trivial matter was condemned and you had heaps of guilt thrown on you. Take this excerpt from a private revalation thing:

Here is a true story about a soul that visited a religious sister after being sent to Purgatory:

(Taken from Purgatory Explained, published by TAN Books & Publishers)

Those who have had the misfortune to give bad example, and to wound or cause the perdition of souls by scandal, must take care to repair all in this world, if they would not be subjected to the most terrible expiation in the other. It was not in vain that Jesus Christ cried out, “Woe to the world because of scandals! Woe to that man by whom the scandal cometh!” (Matt 18:7).

Hear what Father Rossignoli relates in his Merveilles du Purgatoire. A painter of great skill and otherwise exemplary life had once made a painting not at all conformable to the strict rules of Christian modesty. It was one of those paintings which, under the pretext of being works of art, are found in the best families, and the sight of which causes the loss of so many souls.

Soon, however, renouncing this pernicious style, he confined himself to the production of religious pictures, or at least of those which were perfectly irreproachable. Finally, he was painting a large picture in the convent of the discalced Carmelites, when he was attacked by a mortal malady. Feeling that he was about to die, he asked the Prior to allow him to be interred in the church of the monastery, and bequeathed to the community his earnings, which amounted to a considerable sum of money, charging them to have Masses said for the repose of his soul. He died in pious sentiments, and a few days passed, when a Religious who had stayed in the choir after Matins saw him appear in the midst of flames and sighing piteously.

“What!” said the Religious, “have you to endure such pain, after leading so good a life and dying so holy a death?”

“Alas!” replied he, "it is on account of the immodest picture that I painted some years ago. When I appeared before the tribunal of the Sovereign Judge, a crowd of accusers came to give evidence against me. They declared that they had been excited to improper thoughts and evil desires by a picture, the work of my hand. In consequence of those bad thoughts some were in Purgatory, others in Hell. The latter cried for vengeance, saying that, having been the cause of their eternal perdition, I deserved, at least, the same punishment. Then the Blessed Virgin and the saints whom I had glorified by my pictures took up my defense. They represented to the Judge that the unfortunate painting had been the work of youth, and of which I had repented; that I had repaired it afterwards by religious objects which had been a source of edification to souls.

In consideration of these and other reasons, the Sovereign Judge declared that, on account of my repentance and my good works, I should be exempt from damnation; but at the same time, He condemned me to these flames until that picture should be burned, so that it could no longer scandalize anyone."

If such are the consequences of an immodest picture, what then, will be the punishment of the sill more disastrous scandals resulting from bad books, bad papers, bad schools, and bad conversations?

With that kind of view on damnation, (not that purg is damnation, but still…) we are all screwed. Our way of living is so far removed from worrying about something like this sending us to hell. But if it does, uh-oh.
 
This is a modern thought. In the old days, tresspassing in what now seems like a trivial matter was condemned and you had heaps of guilt thrown on you. Take this excerpt from a private revalation thing:

Here is a true story about a soul that visited a religious sister after being sent to Purgatory:

(Taken from Purgatory Explained, published by TAN Books & Publishers)

Those who have had the misfortune to give bad example, and to wound or cause the perdition of souls by scandal, must take care to repair all in this world, if they would not be subjected to the most terrible expiation in the other. It was not in vain that Jesus Christ cried out, “Woe to the world because of scandals! Woe to that man by whom the scandal cometh!” (Matt 18:7).

Hear what Father Rossignoli relates in his Merveilles du Purgatoire. A painter of great skill and otherwise exemplary life had once made a painting not at all conformable to the strict rules of Christian modesty. It was one of those paintings which, under the pretext of being works of art, are found in the best families, and the sight of which causes the loss of so many souls.

Soon, however, renouncing this pernicious style, he confined himself to the production of religious pictures, or at least of those which were perfectly irreproachable. Finally, he was painting a large picture in the convent of the discalced Carmelites, when he was attacked by a mortal malady. Feeling that he was about to die, he asked the Prior to allow him to be interred in the church of the monastery, and bequeathed to the community his earnings, which amounted to a considerable sum of money, charging them to have Masses said for the repose of his soul. He died in pious sentiments, and a few days passed, when a Religious who had stayed in the choir after Matins saw him appear in the midst of flames and sighing piteously.

“What!” said the Religious, “have you to endure such pain, after leading so good a life and dying so holy a death?”

“Alas!” replied he, "it is on account of the immodest picture that I painted some years ago. When I appeared before the tribunal of the Sovereign Judge, a crowd of accusers came to give evidence against me. They declared that they had been excited to improper thoughts and evil desires by a picture, the work of my hand. In consequence of those bad thoughts some were in Purgatory, others in Hell. The latter cried for vengeance, saying that, having been the cause of their eternal perdition, I deserved, at least, the same punishment. Then the Blessed Virgin and the saints whom I had glorified by my pictures took up my defense. They represented to the Judge that the unfortunate painting had been the work of youth, and of which I had repented; that I had repaired it afterwards by religious objects which had been a source of edification to souls.

In consideration of these and other reasons, the Sovereign Judge declared that, on account of my repentance and my good works, I should be exempt from damnation; but at the same time, He condemned me to these flames until that picture should be burned, so that it could no longer scandalize anyone."

If such are the consequences of an immodest picture, what then, will be the punishment of the sill more disastrous scandals resulting from bad books, bad papers, bad schools, and bad conversations?

With that kind of view on damnation, (not that purg is damnation, but still…) we are all screwed. Our way of living is so far removed from worrying about something like this sending us to hell. But if it does, uh-oh.
Must have been one heck of a painting!
 
Must have been one heck of a painting!
There’s just nothing in the Gospels that condemn this kind of thing SO much…it’s almost obsessed with in Catholicism. I mean, the story relates that it was the kind that causes the loss of so many souls at the mere sight of it…but it was the kind found in wealthy households, so it was most likely a straight up nude.

I just don’t get it. It almost gets back to the ‘work hard physically all day from sunup to sundown, pray when you aren’t working, eating or sleeping, and do this every day.’ That seems to me the ONLY way to escape Purg and or Hell in order to keep one’s mind from doing evil. If you have one idle moment, you could likely damn your soul.
 
The current Roman Catholic teaching is that we don’t know if there are people in Hell.

Leading theologian Fr. von Balthasar thought “revelation gives us neither the assurance that all will be saved, nor the certitude that any are condemned.”
romancatholicism.org/balthasar-hope.htm

My personal opinion is that it’s a crapshoot. It’s unknown and unknowable Here are the positions, take your pick:
  1. Nobody is in hell.
  2. Maybe nobody is in hell.
  3. Some people are in hell.
  4. Some people are in hell and we know who some of them are.
  5. Boatloads of people are in hell.
  6. Everybody is in hell except for the tiny remnant that I belong to.
 
I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Try to do God’s will, repent when you don’t, repeat. Persevere to the end and you will win the race.
Honestly, I wasn’t talking about myself. I worry about my own afterlife, of course; but I was really worrying about others, both those I know and don’t know. I’m aware of how deeply sin is entrenched in the lives of so many millions of people in the world, and it saddened and worried me to think how many of them could go to Hell - which is why I asked. It seems to be uncertain, as I essentially said in my initial post. I don’t believe in “contamination” sin, as in the story ForwardProgress mentioned, and idea that is in fact Protestant, not Catholic. And I also don’t believe most people will go to Hell, or that no one will; the Bible disagrees with both, as does modern Catholic theory on culpability. It is hard to mortally sin, but it is even harder to be forgiven for mortal sins. Exactly how much mortal sin causes one to go to Hell, especially if certain conditions are unmet such as baptism, I don’t know and probably never will know - nor does anyone else it seems. Thank you all for your comments.
 
Hell is a state, but not a state like Iowa (Bill Bryson might disagree). In other words Hell is not a place. A soul in the immediate presence of God and hating Him, is “in” Hell.
How many such, no-one knows, but it would be prudent to avoid beng the only one.
 
The current Roman Catholic teaching is that we don’t know if there are people in Hell.
Wasn’t Our Lady quoted as saying that “Souls are falling to Hell like leaves in the Autumn”? (Or something to that effect.)

And didn’t she also say at Fatima that “More people are condemned to Hell for sins of the flesh than any other reason”?

Each of those statements would indicate that there are, indeed, souls in Hell…

Regards,
Ponyguy
 
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