Dancing around the altar

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Calvary is one with the Mass because that’s when Jesus made the ultimate Sacrifice.

It is not a reenactment of Calvary, but a remembrance of it.

Jim
 
Then you stand in error, for they stood outside of the community celebrating the Mass.

Jim
 
Cardinal Arinze spoke about this once. He said if dance is part of your historic cultural worship (like in parts of Africa) then it can be ok. But if your culture doesn’t have such a thing (like European cultures) then no, it’s not ok

You can google it and find the video (or if I find it, I will post it)
 
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JimR-OCDS said:
don’t need to go google some doctor of the Church to prove this point.
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All I’m asking is for integrity.

Please admit that it is your modern conjecture that the Apostles danced at the last supper.

Either that, or provide some references from Fathers or Doctors who speak of the Apostles dancing at the Last Supper.

The Last Supper was NOT a normal passover seder like any other seder. It was that in a way, but it was also something new. It was the first Catholic Mass as well.

As far as I’m aware, there is zero evidence in holy tradition for the Apostles dancing at the Last Supper. That’s pure conjecture, and the burden of proof is on you if you’re claiming the Apostles danced.

Were the Apostles dancing before or after Jesus was betrayed?
 
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Wow, it’s almost as if the traditionalists had a point in saying that the newly composed EPs aren’t really stellar in enunciating the sacrificial nature of the Mass 😃
 
It can be an reinactment and a memorial. Not one or the other, but both.
 
Please admit that it is your modern conjecture that the Apostles danced at the last supper
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There is no specific text showing that the Apostles danced at the Last Supper.

However, being it was a Passover Celebration, we can go by Jewish tradition, even used today.

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You seem to have a mental block that the Sacrifice at the Mass is a living Sacrifice and not re-crucifying Jesus on the cross.

We remember His Passion Death and Resurrection, but we offer to Father, the sacrifice of the living body and blood of Jesus, who is present in the bread in wine.

Jim
 
How did they stand outside the community? It is not necessary to sand up around the altar in order to fully or actively participate in mass. That’s ridiculous.
 
Never once is it recorded that Jesus danced around his local synagogue or the Temple in Jerusalem. The disciples either. I think it is prudent to follow Our Lord’s instruction that His Father’s house be a house of prayer. On a common sense level, dancing doesn’t exactly lend itself to an atmosphere of prayer. Even if it is prayer to the person doing the dancing, then charity says I will not do this because it will distract or scandalize my brother who is trying to pray.
 
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They stayed in the pews rather than be up around the altar with the community of the other fifty men.

It was a men’s retreat at a Passionists Monastery/Retreat Center and at the Saturday Evening Mass.

It was perfectly legal and proper as the Retreat Master along with the Order had permission for this part of their Rubrics, from Rome.

The Passionists were founded by St Paul of the Cross and their specific ministry was retreat ministry especially for lay people.

Jim
 
St Paul followed the Rubrics of his time when the TLM was the ordinary.

Jim
 
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From what little I know, the rubrics say nothing about liturgical dances at any point during the Mass.
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Nor do they address clown makeup and nose, pogo sticks, lay use of the orans posture, cartwheels, or water balloons, but . . .

hawk
 
I know of a few places which allow liturgical dance, but these are in very specific circumstances, and never during the consecration or while the Eucharist is exposed. Our Order has churches in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, and liturgical dance is a very important part of the celebration of the Mass as it is the context by which the native tribes express joy. It is, however, reserved for very specific times when no sacred action is being executed by the priest. The liturgical dance was reserved for the Procession, offering of the gifts if the priest is not yet preparing the gifts on the altar (this sometimes takes a while as people sometimes also offer livestock or produce in thanksgiving for God’s providence in their lives), the time after the prayer after communion but before the final blessing (where many churches in the US read the announcements, and the Recession.

I have also encountered liturgical dance in a parish in Hawai’i with a large native Hawaiian population. They did a Hula of welcoming (very slow and solemn with specific gestures traditional to the welcoming of an important person) for a visiting priest between the prayer after communion and the final blessing.

Both the situation and the Congo and the Hula in Hawaii were approved by the local Diocese.
 
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AROUND CAJUN, AROUND!! Not ON. The group wouldn’t fit on the altar!

Funny! Good humor.
The altar is marble and wouldn’t break though
 
Coming back to what (name removed by moderator) said, it’s my understanding that dancing as an act of communal praise and worship by the people participating in the Mass may be acceptable (and that’s what it sounds like it was here).

However, liturgical dancing as a performance for the congregation to watch is not acceptable in the West since the 1990s.

Catholic Answers has a source on this here:

 
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