Danger of Monastery Icons

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Western Icon Writers who have studied in the Eastern Tradition that are doing just that. For example: dominicon.com/
DominICON is Fr. Brendan McAnerney, OP a Dominican priest with faculties for the Melkite Church. He’s a marvelous teacher. I’ve taken his week long lecture class twice at DSPT and his week long writing/painting holy icons class there once. I don’t think he offers reproductions of his holy icons. I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure each from DominICON is an original.

St. Isaac of Syria Skete offers good reproductions of various sizes. I don’t know that they have holy icons of purely Western saints. Fr. Brendan keeps close to the traditional language of iconography. Most other icons of Western Saints I’ve seen deviate considerably from that tradition.
 
DominICON is Fr. Brendan McAnerney, OP a Dominican priest with faculties for the Melkite Church. He’s a marvelous teacher. I’ve taken his week long lecture class twice at DSPT and his week long writing/painting holy icons class there once. I don’t think he offers reproductions of his holy icons. I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure each from DominICON is an original.
He does usually, but not right now as he was just assigned as a pastor recently so he is very busy as one might expect. I have been communicating with him a bit as I was hoping he might commission an Icon of St. Dominic for me.

Thanks, and Peace,
 
My apologies for the derail but while we are on the subject, are these guys legit?

uncutmountainsupply.com/categories/icons.html

Peace,
Not sure what prompted your question about this specific site, but according to their website, they are a mission of the Serbian Orthodox Church - Dormition of the Theotokos Serbian Orthodox Christian Mission.

They do appear in the directory of churches and monasteries on the official website of the Serbian Orthodox Church in North and South America

serborth.org/clergy.html?type=details&id=398

This is what one would expect of a “legitimate”, church-affiliated source.

To get us back on point, the story with Monastery Icons is much different …
 
There are actually a number of Western Icon Writers who have studied in the Eastern Tradition that are doing just that. For example: dominicon.com/ and fatherbill.org/gallery.php

Peace,
The work at Dominicon looks stunning, but hand-painted icons are well beyond the budget of most individuals. They are great for the churches with larger budgets, but I like to have reproduction icons around the house. I really wish they had reproductions for sale on the site.

The work at FatherBill.org looks pretty interesting, but there are some oddities on there: Servant of God Dorothy Day is labelled a “holy prophet” and “hagia” (saint): fatherbill.org/gallery.php?action=viewPicture&id=272

Jean Donovan: fatherbill.org/gallery.php?action=viewPicture&id=241
As far as I know, she has not been formally declared a martyr, let alone a saint. That’s not to say she won’t be; I don’t pretend to know that.

Then there’s Mary Dyer: fatherbill.org/gallery.php?action=viewPicture&id=257 She’s a Quaker, so what is she doing there?

Not one, but two of Gerard Manley Hopkins: fatherbill.org/gallery.php?action=viewPicture&id=336, fatherbill.org/gallery.php?action=viewPicture&id=61 Who also has not yet been declared so much as Servant of God.

And all of that is after only a quick look at the first page of each group of icons. I don’t know what I’d find if I went further. Perhaps they get more traditional later in each collection, although it should seem quite strange to me to lead with the things people are less likely to buy…
 
Not sure what prompted your question about this specific site, but according to their website, they are a mission of the Serbian Orthodox Church - Dormition of the Theotokos Serbian Orthodox Christian Mission.
I hadn’t read too much of their site. I just came across the it and thought they had reasonable prices and so I had saved the link. If it was bogus I wanted to get rid of the link while I was thinking about it. If not, I would dig deeper later on.

Thanks!
 
He does usually, but not right now as he was just **assigned as a pastor recently **so he is very busy as one might expect. I have been communicating with him a bit as I was hoping he might commission an Icon of St. Dominic for me.
Yes, and as he was cutting back his work, preparing for retirement… obedience…🙂
In that DominICON Photos section the narthex photo shows his work in the temple where he serves in Sacramento. I’m not sure if that iconostasis he is preaching in front of is his work or not. He’s a wonderful iconographer and priest… I do admit I’m a groupie when it comes to our Dominicans. 😃
 
The work at FatherBill.org looks pretty interesting, but there are some oddities on there:
Fr. Brendan keeps close to the traditional language of iconography. Most other icons of Western Saints I’ve seen deviate considerably from that tradition.
I just picked up the 2012 wall calendar for my Latin parish. We have been given the 2012 Saints of the Americas Calendar from Catholic Extension. In it among other images that borrow* very loosly* from holy icons is for example St. John Neumann, June, shown holding a cross in his hand. In the traditional language of icons this cross in hand says that the saint depicted in the icon is a martyr. According to his biography St. John died of natural causes, not martyrdom. :confused:

We consider our art East and West to be catechesis. I have serious problems with many of these Western paintings which borrow from our Eastern Iconography. I think they can be very confusing, as your post describes also, FrancisB;8754787.
 
Yes, and as he was cutting back his work, preparing for retirement… obedience…🙂
In that DominICON Photos section the narthex photo shows his work in the temple where he serves in Sacramento. I’m not sure if that iconostasis he is preaching in front of is his work or not. He’s a wonderful iconographer and priest… I do admit I’m a groupie when it comes to our Dominicans. 😃
Yep. He said that the call to serve as a pastor came out of the blue. He did give a name of someone to check out regarding Icons but I have not done so as of yet. As for being a groupie for Dominicans, what can I say? I love 'em also!
 
I just picked up the 2012 wall calendar for my Latin parish. We have been given the 2012 Saints of the Americas Calendar from Catholic Extension. In it among other images that borrow* very loosly* from holy icons is for example St. John Neumann, June, shown holding a cross in his hand. In the traditional language of icons this cross in hand says that the saint depicted in the icon is a martyr. According to his biography St. John died of natural causes, not martyrdom. :confused:

We consider our art East and West to be catechesis. I have serious problems with many of these Western paintings which borrow from our Eastern Iconography. I think they can be very confusing, as your post describes also, FrancisB;8754787.
5Loaves- According to the artist (Br. Robert Lentz, OFM) this is the reason of including the cross:

“The Feast of the Exhaltation of the Cross held great meaning to him, thus the choice to show him holding a cross of sticks, symbolic of his first chapel built of logs, and his time serving in the American wilderness.”

Hope it helps!
John
 
5Loaves- According to the artist (Br. Robert Lentz, OFM) this is the reason of including the cross:

“The Feast of the Exhaltation of the Cross held great meaning to him, thus the choice to show him holding a cross of sticks, symbolic of his first chapel built of logs, and his time serving in the American wilderness.”

Hope it helps!
John
That is very good feedback on the artist’s rendering, indeed. You use the term “artist” correctly in this context. I think our friend 5Loaves would agree that may not be something an iconographer would do if writing [not “painting”] an icon of this blessed soul, despite the connection and individual symbolism.

Peace!
 
5Loaves- According to the artist (Br. Robert Lentz, OFM) this is the reason of including the cross:

“The Feast of the Exhaltation of the Cross held great meaning to him, thus the choice to show him holding a cross of sticks, symbolic of his first chapel built of logs, and his time serving in the American wilderness.”

Hope it helps!
John
I don’t wish to appear uncharitable but this explanation does nothing for me except tell me that apparently the artist knowing of the symbolism a hand cross gives then chose none the less to use it out of context. Surely he could find any number of other appropriate ways to incorporate images related to Exaltation of the Cross and St. John’s log chapel.

I think when we borrow from the cultural treasure of a culture outside our own we need to be very mindful that we are not appropriating. I wonder if these artists consider how we feel when we see our tradition taken advantage of in this way or if they’re mostly listening to those in the West who enjoy these icons. Again, I don’t want to be lacking in charity but I find it very difficult. I’m bound to be in my Latin parish now where people will be talking about these icons in our 2012 wall calendar as if they were in the same category as faithfully written holy icons. Personally, I don’t think they are. I appreciate that artists find the tradition deeply compelling. Then strive, as does Fr. Brendan to remain within the vocabulary of the tradition. :twocents:
 
Brother Lentz is known for breaking all the rules having to
Do with iconography. Personally I find 99% of his “icons” very hideous .
 
Brother Lentz is known for breaking all the rules having to
Do with iconography. Personally I find 99% of his “icons” very hideous .
My mistake, the artist is actually Lewis Williams, SFO.

Cheers!
John
 
My mistake, the artist is actually Lewis Williams, SFO.

Cheers!
John
Yes. Lewis Williams, SFO is the artist of the icon of St. John Neumann shown for the month of June. Since Williams is, according to this calendar, “a student of master iconography Br. Robert Lentz, OFM” it made sense that the teacher, Br. Robert, would be familiar with the work of the student. So your comment made “sense” to me. 🙂 I did find it harsh…

Oh, I see it was actually the post by chicagojohn that made sense… teacher knows student… 🙂

And as I expected in RCIA last night in my Latin parish when we gave calendars to those who hadn’t yet picked them up people were talking about how beautiful the calendar is. Again, my own objection isn’t the subject matter. These are all wonderful Saints of America, but rather that in my opinion it’s unfortunate when borrowing from the cultural treasure of a culture outside their own and then violating the basics of that treasure-- that is disturbing to me. Again, that’s my :twocents: I don’t pretend to be an iconographer. I’m a simple Eastern Catholic who has read various books on holy icons and studied in two* brief* summer courses with Fr. Brendan for the purposes of better knowing the holy icons that surround me in worship in the temples I go to and in the many other places we naturally encounter them everywhere. 🙂
 
Dang. Br. Lentz has halos on people like Einstein and Cesar Chavez, and an “Apache Christ.”:confused: I’d worry about that as much as Monastery Icons.

I had mine specifically blessed when I heard. I have to figure that all truth is God’s truth, and if a cultish group paints the Virgin of the Sign, it’s still the Virgin of the Sign.
 
Abouna Brendan is a wonderful pastor. Per the question whether the icons on the iconostasis were painted by him, no they were not. He does marvelous work, but I have not seen any of his new icons (if he is painting any) since he became our parish’s pastor two years ago.
 
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