Dante's Devine Comedy: anyone read it?

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I have just started reading the Devine Comedy, after hearing Robert Lockwood having it as on of the 10 books all Catholics should read.

How is your take on this book, especially its Catholicism?
 
It is WONDERFUL. Make sure to read the whole thing, not just the Inferno. My personal favorite is the Paradiso.

Keep in mind that Dante was a poet, not a theologian, although he does draw on St. Thomas Aquinas. So his writing and interpretations of theology are certainly fallible. However, he seems to have maintained a very strong faith during a time when the Church was suffering from some terrible institutional corruption. He does a good job of criticizing the corruption without criticizing the Church - something which is very important for our current times.

It is a beautiful, masterful book and I found reading it to be a very spiritual experience. Enjoy. 👍
 
Sadly I’ve only read the Inferno but that alone was already enough for me to praise Dante. XD It gave me ideas for all manner of fearsome creatures and dungeons. :cool:
 
I would recommend John Ciardi’s translation. Ciardi was a poet himself and captured the “flavor” of the poem very well, especially the bawdiness. His notes are good as well. Sayers has somewhat better notes but misses the poetic rhythms of the original.
 
It is WONDERFUL. Make sure to read the whole thing, not just the Inferno. My personal favorite is the Paradiso.

Keep in mind that Dante was a poet, not a theologian, although he does draw on St. Thomas Aquinas. So his writing and interpretations of theology are certainly fallible. However, he seems to have maintained a very strong faith during a time when the Church was suffering from some terrible institutional corruption. He does a good job of criticizing the corruption without criticizing the Church - something which is very important for our current times.

It is a beautiful, masterful book and I found reading it to be a very spiritual experience. Enjoy. 👍
Man, now I’m eager to read it! I own “Inferno” but didn’t get all the way through it because I got distracted by life events. I haven’t read the Purgatory or Heaven books and wasn’t that interested in them until now, because my English professor criticized them and said they were boring. My guess is that they were boring to her because she wasn’t a Catholic, and perhaps not Christian. She mainly liked “Inferno” for the scenes of violence (she likes horror stories a lot). I’m glad you’ve cleared me up on this! Now I’m interested in reading all three.

I think my older sister, who’s not a Christian anymore, also criticized the later two books as insufficiently interesting.

Neither of these two judges was either Catholic or probably very religious at all, so that might be part of why they thought the way they did. What are your thoughts about those two books, if you care to elaborate on your feelings about them?
 
Neither of these two judges was either Catholic or probably very religious at all, so that might be part of why they thought the way they did. What are your thoughts about those two books, if you care to elaborate on your feelings about them?
First of all, Dante is a poet, the Divine Comedy is an epic poem, and I would guess that one’s enjoyment of Dante - especially of the second two parts - has about as much to do with how much one appreciates good poetry as it does with how spiritual one is. The person who will enjoy the book *most *is someone who loves both poetry and theology, as Dante obviously did.

I’ve spoken to several non-Christians who felt that the Purgatorio was the most interesting of the three sections. I think that might be at least partly because the souls in the Purgatorio are in a state of transition, of change (as are we). Good has ultimately won the battle there, but there is still evil that needs to be purged; there is still a struggle. Dante himself goes through a process of purification in this section and there are serpents, guardian angels, an earthly paradise, and Dante walks through fire.

In the Paradiso, Dante meets a number of saints - including Francis, Dominic, Clare, Thomas Aquinas, Paul the apostle, and finally - after being blinded by the intensity of the light of glory, which increases the closer he comes to God - he is questioned about faith, hope and love by the apostles Peter, James and John respectively; then he regains his sight and sees the Blessed Virgin. He meets various figures from Italian history. Mostly, he has theological conversations with the souls in Heaven. Someone who has zero interest in theology and spirituality and is also not a poet will not find much to interest them.

However, I dare to say that the Paradiso is in every way the most ambitious of the three parts - it is easier to write about vice than about virtue, easier to depict suffering than glory, as Dante is very much aware - and that it is astonishingly successful. The poetry is sublime (especially if you can read it in the original Italian - English translations can never do it justice). Dante, and the reader with him, is drawing nearer and nearer to God, and this is exciting. The book ends with Dante seeing the Holy Trinity.

I’d like to just share a few quotes. :o I won’t quote the theological conversations, even though I personally find them interesting, but just a couple of the images of Heaven so you get a taste.

In the first quote, Dante is with Beatrice. She is a glorified soul who has been appointed to guide him through Heaven. Dante is gazing at her face, which has become increasingly bright over the course of their journey. She now tells him to look at the new place they have come to. Dante writes:
“The man who knows just how my vision pastured
upon her blessed face, might recognize
the joy I found when my celestial guide
has asked of me to turn my mind aside,
were he to weigh my joy when I obeyed
against my joy in contemplating her.
Within the crystal that - as it revolves
around the earth - bears as its name the name
of that dear king whose rule undid all evil,
I saw a ladder rising up so high
that it could not be followed by my sight:
its color, gold when gold is struck by sunlight.
I also saw so many flames descend
those steps that I thought every light displayed
in heaven had been poured out from that place.” (Canto XXI: 19-31)
There is so much in this short passage! I won’t comment on it because it would make this post even longer, though. 😊

Dante’s first glimpse of God is as a point in the distance surrounded by light, a “Point that seems enclosed by that which It encloses” (Canto XXX10-11). Such a striking and apt image - especially in context - when we consider that God is everywhere, all-encompassing, but also at the center, and within our souls. Later, as he draws closer, Dante sees the heavenly host as a rose reflecting and reflected in the light of God:
“There near and far do not subtract or add;
for where God governs with no mediator,
no thing depends upon the laws of nature.
Into the yellow of the eternal Rose
that slopes and stretches and diffuses fragrance
of praise unto the Sun of endless spring,
now Beatrice drew me as one who, though
he would speak out, is silent. And she said:
‘See how great is this council of white robes!’ …
So in the shape of that white Rose, the holy
legion was shown to me - the host that Christ,
with His own blood, had taken as His bride.”
(Cantos XXX-XXXI - ellipses indicate places where there is text that I didn’t quote)
If nothing else, read the last canto of the book, in which Dante sees the Trinity. The last few lines always make me want to weep and sing at the same time.
 
I remembered one more quote I wanted to add! This one is from a theological conversation:
“ ‘Regnum celorum suffers violence
from ardent love and living hope, for these
can be the conquerors of Heaven’s Will;
yet not as man defeats another man:
the Will of God is won because It would
be won and, won, wins through benevolence. ’” (XX. 94-9)
I just really like that. The passage referenced is from the Gospels - “The kingdom of Heaven suffers violence, and the violent bear it away.”

Obviously I am a Dante fanatic and I’m sure this is way more than anyone wanted, but thank you for allowing my to entertain myself, anyway. 😛
 
Obviously I am a Dante fanatic and I’m sure this is way more than anyone wanted, but thank you for allowing my to entertain myself, anyway. 😛
Somehow though it makes me feel uneasy and shallow that I’m one of those creepy, dark deviants who are more into the Inferno than any other part of the Comedy.

Heck one of my favorite lines was the inscription found to the entrance of Hell. (Don’t know what translation this is from but I found it on the net :o).
“Through me the way into the suffering city,
Through me the way to the eternal pain,
Through me the way that runs among the lost.
Justice urged on my high artificer;
My maker was divine authority,
The highest wisdom, and the primal love.
Before me nothing but eternal things were made,
And I endure eternally.
Abandon every hope, ye who enter here.”
Something must be wrong with me but I feel like a guardian of hell when I read this, a being that is not condemned but finds the beauty of heaven and its purity alienating that he prefers touring hell. 😛
 
Somehow though it makes me feel uneasy and shallow that I’m one of those creepy, dark deviants who are more into the Inferno than any other part of the Comedy.

Something must be wrong with me but I feel like a guardian of hell when I read this, a being that is not condemned but finds the beauty of heaven and its purity alienating that he prefers touring hell. 😛
Nah, you’re not a “creepy, dark deviant”. I am re-reading the Comedy (I kind of skimmed over Purgatorio and Paradiso), and still I find the Inferno to be more interesting.
 
I’m glad there are plenty of people who like Purgatorio and Paradisio best, though! It encourages me to read them :).

Thanks for those posts, Student09 :). This is definitely something I want to do at some point. I’ve got a lot of other reading on my plate right now, but maybe I’ll start chipping away at Inferno again. You’ve certainly encouraged me to read the last two books in addition to the first, books I might very well have never read if not for this recommendation!
 
It’s been ages, but Dante Alighieri’s The Divine Comedy - never heard of the Devine Comedy by Dante - was one of those life changing books for me.

…read it as part of my major in English many years ago…

don’t know if I’m up to it these days…
 
I’ve read it three or four times and it gets better every time! Definitly recommend it
 
I’ve read it three or four times and it gets better every time! Definitly recommend it
Good idea! I have it at home in English and in Italian, and have read it in English. Once upon a time I thought to read them together to pick up some Italian in order to enjoy the flavor of the original better. Unfortunately, that proved daunting and I didn’t get all that far. However, for years and years, and as I have aged, I have remembered this: (I THINK I remember it fairly well)

Nel mezzo del cammin’ di nostra vita
Mi ritrovai per una selva oscura,
Che la dirritta via era la smarritta.

Ah! Quanto a dire qual e cosa dura!

There are various translations of that, but any way you translate it, all people of middle age ought to memorize it.

"In the middle of life’s road
I found myself in a dark wood,
Where the direct way was hidden from me.

Ah! How to tell of its difficulty!

Those are the very first lines of the poem, and everything that follows is the protagonist’s finding his “way”. Some years ago, I happened to be talking to a no longer young lady lawyer whose parents were from Italy. She, herself, was totally Americanized, but had learned Italian when she was young. Anyway, she was on the verge of making a change in her career, principally because she had concluded that she was not doing right by her family in continuing in what was an enormously demanding career.

Anyway, I just casually remarked that I only knew one thing in Italian but, being middle aged, it meant a lot to me. So I said the above lines because it was the only Italian I remembered. That’s a sort of archaic Italian, but an Italian-speaker can understand it. Really choked the lady up, and she remarked how very, very much those lines resonated with her at that moment in her life. One never knows.
 
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