Dark Night of the Soul?

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Hi everyone,

I feel like I’m at the end of my rope here. Work is miserable to me. I go in every dreading it, literally shaking in fear. I hate waking up in the morning, and I hate going to sleep at night because I know the pain that will come the next day. I feel abandoned by God, that He has let me suffer through this pain for years, and that there is no real end to this pain. I’ve had thoughts of suicide to even get away from it. I used to be so happy before this, and now I feel that God has left me here to suffer, and wither away in misery.

Please pray for me everyone, and I would really appreciate your words of encouragement or advice.

God bless you.
 
There is generally a reason for suffering–usually it’s something we’re supposed to learn, or do, or change… or sometimes we are called to just accept and willingly offer it up.

What have you been doing recently to change your work situation? Looking and applying for other jobs that would be a better fit for you? Seeking out training opportunities or further education to build up your skill set? Doing any kind of volunteer work to help others, to help you with your perspective, and possibly open new doors? Saving up money to put towards these or other options (such as moving to another area with more opportunity, or starting your own business)?

It’s not easy to deal with a negative work environment day in and day out, even if you can envision an end to the tunnel. I will certainly pray for you. :gopray2:
 
First of all, let me say how sorry I am for your trials and assure you of my prayers.

I encourage you to speak with a priest as soon as you can to get help in your difficulties. If he determines you are indeed experiencing a true dark night of the senses or of the soul, you may not want to go through it without spiritual guidance. These very particular spiritual states can be extremely frustrating, painful and tiring, especially for those who attempt to endure them alone.

God bless.
 
… I feel abandoned by God, that He has let me suffer through this pain for years, and that there is no real end to this pain. I’ve had thoughts of suicide to even get away from it. I used to be so happy before this, and now I feel that God has left me here to suffer, and wither away in misery…
I’m confused, and not to pick, but you said God has let you suffer ‘through this pain for years’, and then you said, 'I used to be so happy before this"… was there something recent that happened? Or were you never happy with your work? How many years have you been suffering now? What things were different before the misery started? Like when you were ‘so happy’ … what was different from what it is like now? Are you sure its your work, or an aspect of your work- work place, people you work with, aspect of work time… etc? Could it be you are low on a much needed vitamin?

Either way, what the others have said here is excellent advice. I want to second talking with your priest- confessional is a great place, just make sure there aren’t a whole bunch of people in line behind you just because some people get upset when someone needs the time to talk to a priest, and you definitely need to. (Suicidal thoughts and feelings are top on the list of needing to talk with a priest! Like a “soul” heart attack- gets first dibs on emergency care-pronto!)
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I'm not sure if this is dark night of the soul- that pertains mostly to spiritual things (from what I've read).  It could be but there isn't enough information in your post to know- but that's personal, so don't feel pressured to write about it here.  A priest should know more about it and help guide you through.  

I've learned that a suicidal thought/feeling means something there in your heart, in your soul needs to be addressed.  Like if you broke your foot- that pain you feel... that means 'hey body, there was some damage here.. this needs to be addressed to mend it, so that the damage doesn't get worse".   Funny how people will ignore soul pain, but not bodily pain.. as if one is real and the other is not!   Sometimes the reason for the pain is often hidden to us (which we can try to discover through meditation and prayer) , or sometimes the pressure is leading to a necessary change is difficult to feel, acknowledge that need for change... lots of fear in changing too sometimes- we are creatures of habit and like security!   Sometimes we are stuck in it- as in there is nothing to do but to offer it up which God teaches us virtue through that suffering.--->  Think of Moses in the desert for years before he lead the Israelites..  Or Joseph being a slave of Egyptians, a prisoner..etc.
Certainly though, it is important to come up for air (let off steam-in a good way) if pressured so much you are thinking of ending it. I can’t say take off time from your work because you might have the type of job you can’t do that… however, maybe you can find some sort of compromise- something in the meantime that will help put some life back into your heart. Example- wake up a bit early and take the long scenic route to work… or go out and photograph how things look in the early morning sun. Sometimes we are so busy giving to others we forget to take in a bit for ourselves- or sometimes maybe we do need to address the suffering of others to put own on into good perspective!

This refilling of life in our souls is actually what Sunday is supposed to be about. We receive what God gives and set aside special day for that so that we can be filled… God says, at least one day set aside to come to me so that I can refresh you! Don’t be fooled… God made Sabbath for man, not man for the Sabbath. Sunday is often kind of taken for granted and even some persons will see to it that their free time of that day is spent with their nose still to the grindstone by their own doing.

Mark 2:27

The Lord of the Sabbath
…26During the high priesthood of Abiathar, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which was lawful only for the priests. And he gave some to his companions as well.” 27Then Jesus told them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28Therefore, the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”…

Exodus 23:12
"Six days you are to do your work, but on the seventh day you shall cease from labor so that your ox and your donkey may rest, and the son of your female slave, as well as your stranger, may refresh themselves.

Deuteronomy 5:12
'Observe the sabbath day to keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you.

Deuteronomy 5:14
but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter or your male servant or your female servant or your ox or your donkey or any of your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you, so that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you.

Mark 2:28
Therefore, the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."

Colossians 2:16
Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a festival, a New Moon, or a Sabbath.

I don’t’ know if any of this is of help, but if not then just ignore it. I mean my writing, not the Scriptures, of course. You may even want to look into taking a retreat at a monastery somewhere. It depends on what you need. (It may sound awful to say this on a Catholic board, but sometimes one does need time to themselves- I believe God honors that too)

May God bless you and heal you. Times of trial are what gems are made of. Remember that. Don’t forfeit, even if it looks or seems like you are losing.
 
See a good psychiatrist if you can, but more importantly, pray. I’m 61 but when I was younger I felt the same as you, and nothing seemed to help. Now I suffer from depression and anxiety, and a lot of advice about do this or doing that simply do not work. What does work for me is Centering Prayer and Contemplative Prayer. The Cloud of Unknowing is an easy to read book that may change your life around. I’ll be praying for you!
 
I would say to see a psychologist about the suicidal thoughts and then go from there.
 
my dark night of the soul has been going on since about 2009 and I find that I am my own worst enemy. I am in no way suggesting that towards you, and I do sympathize with you. Just posting to let you know that you are not alone. God’s peace to you! 🙂
 
I truly do not know if I have ever had a Dark Night of the Soul, as I feel there are too many encounters that can be considered as such. I will pray for you. I remember a verse from a song that I like that says, “Sometimes Darkness can show you The Light” and I pray that this will pass and you will be further strengthened.
 
I truly do not know if I have ever had a Dark Night of the Soul, as I feel there are too many encounters that can be considered as such.
Just to be clear, since the thread title is a question about this.

What the OP and many others experience is not the Dark Night of the Soul, since that’s an extremely advanced spiritual state. Most of us are nowhere near that level of holiness.

What we experience are the sufferings of simply being in the purgative way, which is on the completely other end of the spectrum.
 
Praying to the Holy Spirit to give you guidance, direction, strength, fortitude & wisdom in your time of need.
 
For a very bad work situation I recommend reading each morning and night, carry a copy with you everywhere, Thomas Kempis “Immitation of Christ” praying for you today!
 
Just to be clear, since the thread title is a question about this.

What the OP and many others experience is not the Dark Night of the Soul, since that’s an extremely advanced spiritual state. Most of us are nowhere near that level of holiness.

What we experience are the sufferings of simply being in the purgative way, which is on the completely other end of the spectrum.
This is why I recommend the OP see a priest. Many people mistake a crisis of faith for a dark night of the soul. A priest can help determine whether or not a perceived dark night actually is one.

I am not in a position to tell the OP whether or not what (s)he is going through is a true dark night of either the senses or the soul because I don’t have the appropriate training to do so. Better to leave all of that to a priest who does. Way above my pay grade.

God bless.
 
Better to leave all of that to a priest who does.
Fair enough, I shouldn’t have worded my comment as strongly as I did.

Edit: I made some further comments that, having done a bit of research, I now retract and have deleted. 🙂
 
Fair enough, I shouldn’t have worded my comment as strongly as I did.
No worries - I’ve done the same as well. :whistle:
Nonetheless, on a theoretical level, I think it’s common to misunderstand any sort of difficulty or suffering or feeling of distance from God as being the Dark Night of the Soul.

I think that that is an abuse of the term.
I actually agree with you. There appears to be some confusion about the difference between DN-Soul, DN-Senses, and crisis of faith manifested in spiritual or personal difficulty, spiritual dryness, any of a number of types of suffering, and/or a feeling of distance from God. These are distinct conditions. I don’t think the tendency among some to use the terms interchangeably is so much an abuse as a misunderstanding of how they differ from one another, however.

Peace!
 
There appears to be some confusion …
I think so as well.

But I found the following from St. John Paul II:
Our age speaks of the silence or absence of God. It has known so many calamities, so much suffering inflicted by wars and by the destruction of so many innocent beings. The term dark night is now used of all of life and not just of a phase of the spiritual journey. The Saint’s doctrine is now invoked in response to this unfathomable mystery of human suffering.
My original comment in this thread focused on the dark night as being “just a phase of the spiritual journey,” namely, an advanced one.

Unfortunately, I’m far too ignorant of St. John of the Cross to speak more authoritatively of precisely what he intended.

But again, the Sainted Pope:
Physical, moral and spiritual suffering, like sickness—like the plagues of hunger, like war, injustice, solitude, the lack of meaning in life, the very fragility of human existence, the sorrowful knowledge of sin, the seeming absence of God—are for the believer all purifying experiences which might be called night of faith.
To this experience St. John of the Cross has given the symbolic and evocative name dark night, and he makes it refer explicitly to the light and obscurity of the mystery of faith.
Incidentally, I’m just quoting all of this stuff because I was hoping someone might find it useful or interesting. And also to balance out my original comment, which I think may have been a bit oversimplistic. I sure hope I’m not derailing the thread. 😛
 
Hi everyone,

I feel like I’m at the end of my rope here. Work is miserable to me. I go in every dreading it, literally shaking in fear. I hate waking up in the morning, and I hate going to sleep at night because I know the pain that will come the next day. I feel abandoned by God, that He has let me suffer through this pain for years, and that there is no real end to this pain. I’ve had thoughts of suicide to even get away from it. I used to be so happy before this, and now I feel that God has left me here to suffer, and wither away in misery.

Please pray for me everyone, and I would really appreciate your words of encouragement or advice.

God bless you.
Remember that it’s easy to trust and faith in God when blessed with His grace during good times. but it’s very difficult to trust and have faith when the grace is withdrawn. Think of it as a test, and believe that God will restore His grace in due time. Keep praying and persevering.
 
Incidentally, I’m just quoting all of this stuff because I was hoping someone might find it useful or interesting. And also to balance out my original comment, which I think may have been a bit oversimplistic. I sure hope I’m not derailing the thread. 😛
Well, I find it helpful and relevant, seeing how I’m far from an expert on these matters myself.

My original advice to the OP remains the same, however: seek the assistance of a priest. The OP may find the spiritual support a priest can provide beneficial for where (s)he is at this point, even if his or her condition turns out not to be a dark night in the classical understanding of the term. Psychological help, as recommended by others on this thread, may also be needed. And prayer is always good advice! 🙂
 
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God, with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind, and with thy whole strength
–Mark 12:30
Along with my other suggestions, I suggest that you strive to keep God in the forefront of your brain the best that you can. When you fail, and we all fail this commandment everyday if you take it literally like I do, confess it as a sin. If you’re not too fond of this life, as I am, transform it each and every day into a living sacrifice to God.
 
Thank you everyone so much for the responses. It’s great to see that so many people care so much for me, even though none of you really even know me. God has truly blessed me. I’ll respond to a few points.
  • Whether this truly is a Dark Night of the Soul or not, I can say that at the worst I have felt totally abandoned by God. I don’t want to call myself a saint by any means. The Lord knows my faults and they are many. I just know that this is the most abandoned by God that I have ever felt in my life, and it frightens me like nothing I’ve ever known.
  • I have scheduled time to speak with a priest. Seeing a counselor hasn’t really helped, so I’m hoping that spiritual guidance will be the cure.
  • Yesterday I went to the tabernacle to pray in front of Jesus. A few thoughts came immediately to mind. The first was the rosary. I felt a call to pray a rosary right then. I used to pray far more frequently, at least 4 times a week, but over the past years it has gone to 0 times a week. I felt like this was something that I owed God and that I was holding back. I also felt called to get my family involved in praying the rosary, which we did last night.
  • I’ve also had the thought that this is punishment for the sins in my life. I especially noted the sixth promise of the rosary: “God will not chastise him in His justice.” I have plenty that I need to be chastised for, so perhaps this is the punishment for my sins and my duplicitous heart. So I pray that through the rosary my addictions to sin can be extinguished and that God will extend His mercy.
I think that’s about all that I wanted to say. Thank you everyone again for your loving and kind words.
 
Hi everyone,

I feel like I’m at the end of my rope here. Work is miserable to me. I go in every dreading it, literally shaking in fear. I hate waking up in the morning, and I hate going to sleep at night because I know the pain that will come the next day. I feel abandoned by God, that He has let me suffer through this pain for years, and that there is no real end to this pain. I’ve had thoughts of suicide to even get away from it. I used to be so happy before this, and now I feel that God has left me here to suffer, and wither away in misery.

Please pray for me everyone, and I would really appreciate your words of encouragement or advice.

God bless you.
Bless you, it sounds like a real challenge at the moment.

If you ever feel the need to you can talk about and explore feelings of distress and suicidal thoughts completely confidentially (and non-judgementally) by contacting jo@samaritans.org (it is a UK based charity, but also welcomes people from all over the world).

Keeping you in prayer.

Michael
 
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