Dark Night's vs. feeling condemnation?

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Is it possible to experience particular judgement while still alive? Do the dark night’s include the feeling of condemnation?? Need some real help with this…Any saints write of this??😦
 
Samson01 said:
Is it possible to experience particular judgement while still alive? Do the dark night’s include the feeling of condemnation?? Need some real help with this…Any saints write of this??😦
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It is highly recommended to work out your purgation while on earth. Particular Judgement is only after the moment of death and only can be dealt with there. HOWEVER if you work out your purgation while on earth and truly work on it, Particular judgement will be much more doable (lack of a better word). There are many ways to work out purgation on earth to lighten the load so to speak. The best way also to avoid prugation in the next life is to ask our Ever Virgin Mother to allow you to suffer on earth so that when you meet God you will have all your ducks in a row.
But Particular Judgement is not untill the moment of death. What you are most likely going through is what I would call Dark Night light. I went through it and let me tell you what wonderful benefits come after!!! I wish I could go back 6 years and relive that again. WOW!! what a scarey ride but what a wonderful intimacy I had with Jesus after it was over I still have to this very day. Mother Angelica once said “how to avoid purgatory is simple (laughs form her and the audience) is to do God’s will” I am sure doing his will willingly and lovingly. My feelings on this. Scoob.
 
scoobydoo6v92 said:
It is highly recommended to work out your purgation while on earth. Particular Judgement is only after the moment of death and only can be dealt with there. HOWEVER if you work out your purgation while on earth and truly work on it, Particular judgement will be much more doable (lack of a better word). There are many ways to work out purgation on earth to lighten the load so to speak. The best way also to avoid prugation in the next life is to ask our Ever Virgin Mother to allow you to suffer on earth so that when you meet God you will have all your ducks in a row.
But Particular Judgement is not untill the moment of death. What you are most likely going through is what I would call Dark Night light. I went through it and let me tell you what wonderful benefits come after!!! I wish I could go back 6 years and relive that again. WOW!! what a scarey ride but what a wonderful intimacy I had with Jesus after it was over I still have to this very day. Mother Angelica once said “how to avoid purgatory is simple (laughs form her and the audience) is to do God’s will” I am sure doing his will willingly and lovingly. My feelings on this. Scoob.
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This light is what I have called an “illumination”. Have asked for this “purgation” and done the Demontfort consecration as well. But this is a heavy feeling of condemnation…one that won’t go away. Even reading scripture seems convicting. Don’t feel I have lived up to what has been revealed to me and seems nearly impossible. Thanks, Samson
 
It is impossible without God’s grace. Perhaps a full acknowledgement of our own poverty is a necessary foundation for God to be able to use us fully.
 
Samson01 said:
This light is what I have called an “illumination”. Have asked for this “purgation” and done the Demontfort consecration as well. But this is a heavy feeling of condemnation…one that won’t go away. Even reading scripture seems convicting. Don’t feel I have lived up to what has been revealed to me and seems nearly impossible. Thanks, Samson
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Samson01,

Do you have a spiritual director? I would highly recommend one. If you have been taking steps and still have a sense of condemnation this could be a test from God, and you would be wise to seek counsel from a holy priest.
 
TuAutem said:
It is impossible without God’s grace. Perhaps a full acknowledgement of our own poverty is a necessary foundation for God to be able to use us fully.
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yes, I get a good dose of that from time to time…Thank you.
 
smichhertz said:
Samson01,

Do you have a spiritual director? I would highly recommend one. If you have been taking steps and still have a sense of condemnation this could be a test from God, and you would be wise to seek counsel from a holy priest.
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I don’t have a SD right now. My regular confessor is on leave until Aug. and I’m just starting to meet with a counselor/Priest about some past issues, but he is starting the relationship in a mostly counselor mode. May see if he takes to direction next month. He is still in the information gatharing stage. Thank You. Samson.
 
Samson01 said:
I don’t have a SD right now. My regular confessor is on leave until Aug. and I’m just starting to meet with a counselor/Priest about some past issues, but he is starting the relationship in a mostly counselor mode. May see if he takes to direction next month. He is still in the information gatharing stage. Thank You. Samson.
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That’s good. This sounds like a serious issue, and I don’t think you will find the peace you are looking for by posting a thread. Not saying we can’t offer some advice and help, but ultimately, you need a regular spiritual director / counselor to help you through this.

Be at peace. You are in my prayers.
 
smichhertz said:
That’s good. This sounds like a serious issue, and I don’t think you will find the peace you are looking for by posting a thread. Not saying we can’t offer some advice and help, but ultimately, you need a regular spiritual director / counselor to help you through this.

Be at peace. You are in my prayers.
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Thanks Stephen, there is a lot going on…a whole family at stake…
 
After the death of Jesus, a person can only be condemned after his death. Up until our death Jesus is only Our Savior, not a Judge (He comes as Judge at our particular judment when we die). It appears Satan is deceiving you into believing you are condemned … he wants you to despair, be anxious and not trust in Jesus so you will lose your faith and be eternally lost. Please do not give into these temptations of Satan, and persevere in a state of grace renounicng temptations of condemnation when they come to mind. It is a good thing you will be meeting with a priest regularly. You need some “unloading” and healing. Persevere! Peace!
 
If the feeling of condemnation you’re experiencing makes you feel unworthy to approach God, then that is from Satan, not God. The Holy Spirit brings *conviction, *which is a deep awareness of our sin which draws us in hope to the mercy of God.
 
Veritas41 said:
If the feeling of condemnation you’re experiencing makes you feel unworthy to approach God, then that is from Satan, not God. The Holy Spirit brings *conviction, *which is a deep awareness of our sin which draws us in hope to the mercy of God.
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More precisely, it makes me feel unworthy to speak of Him and His mercy’s He’s showm me. It is almost like the rock that one falls on also can be the rock that crushes, as in the millstone…
 
Samson01 said:
More precisely, it makes me feel unworthy to speak of Him and His mercy’s He’s showm me. It is almost like the rock that one falls on also can be the rock that crushes, as in the millstone…
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You need to tell satan through our Lord Jesus Christ to get behind you. A Dark Night is a way to draw you closer to Christ! When going through the Dark Night you want him so bad that you will DIE!!! to be with him. A Dark Night is something to the effect of a deep hole that you can’t fill a sense of being alone even if you are in a room of hundreds of people but you still feel totally alone. After reading your replies and getting more information I would say that satan has his grip on you and you need to seek priestly help. IT isn’t in my opinion a mental problem it is more so a spiritual problem. Need to see a priest as fast as you can. Call you local parish or diocese and find a priest that is availalbe. That is my opinion. Satan is ruining your life. DId you play with ouija boards or do something like that? just wondering. Something tells me that you are in his grip and need help from a priest. Nothing I can say or suggest will help. There are times in our lives that we can’t do it ourselves. The most obvious is confession we need a priest for that no other way. We need a priest to confect the Eucharist. The more hidden things are like situations like this where something spiritual is happening and it is something only a priest can deal with. If you don’t listen to anything I say, fine, but listen to one piece of advice see a priest and do it now. Rebuke you satan in the name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost!! Keep saying that and see a professional and that in your case would defenetly be a priest. My opinion and advice such as it is. God BLess Scoob.
 
scoobydoo6v92 said:
You need to tell satan through our Lord Jesus Christ to get behind you. A Dark Night is a way to draw you closer to Christ! When going through the Dark Night you want him so bad that you will DIE!!! to be with him. A Dark Night is something to the effect of a deep hole that you can’t fill a sense of being alone even if you are in a room of hundreds of people but you still feel totally alone. After reading your replies and getting more information I would say that satan has his grip on you and you need to seek priestly help. IT isn’t in my opinion a mental problem it is more so a spiritual problem. Need to see a priest as fast as you can. Call you local parish or diocese and find a priest that is availalbe. That is my opinion. Satan is ruining your life. DId you play with ouija boards or do something like that? just wondering. Something tells me that you are in his grip and need help from a priest. Nothing I can say or suggest will help. There are times in our lives that we can’t do it ourselves. The most obvious is confession we need a priest for that no other way. We need a priest to confect the Eucharist. The more hidden things are like situations like this where something spiritual is happening and it is something only a priest can deal with. If you don’t listen to anything I say, fine, but listen to one piece of advice see a priest and do it now. Rebuke you satan in the name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost!! Keep saying that and see a professional and that in your case would defenetly be a priest. My opinion and advice such as it is. God BLess Scoob.
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Scoob, I know the ol boy has been hounding me for a while. He hates a witness and does his best to trip me up. I have talked to so many Priest that sometimes it feels like they are the ones that are to be the target of this witness for some reason. My regular confessor is in his own fight with throat cancer and I’ve been trying to help him help me so to speak, but he is in a bad situation. I’m also a cancer survivor and it brings us to common ground. There is a lot more at sake then meets the eye, then just my soul. This current Priest heard my story at our first counseling meeting and all he said was “your interesting”. We spoke for an hour and a half in a 50 minute meeting. I know I have to wait until the 29th to speak with him again and it isn’t even about me anymore. In the meantime, I’m watching my family being striped from me over the past couple of years. Loneliness is a word that doesn’t cover it…
 
Samson01 said:
Scoob, I know the ol boy has been hounding me for a while. He hates a witness and does his best to trip me up. I have talked to so many Priest that sometimes it feels like they are the ones that are to be the target of this witness for some reason. My regular confessor is in his own fight with throat cancer and I’ve been trying to help him help me so to speak, but he is in a bad situation. I’m also a cancer survivor and it brings us to common ground. There is a lot more at sake then meets the eye, then just my soul. This current Priest heard my story at our first counseling meeting and all he said was “your interesting”. We spoke for an hour and a half in a 50 minute meeting. I know I have to wait until the 29th to speak with him again and it isn’t even about me anymore. In the meantime, I’m watching my family being striped from me over the past couple of years. Loneliness is a word that doesn’t cover it…
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yes i had a similar condition myself when i first came back to the church. satan leaves you alone when he has you, it’s only when you try and free yourself from him he really attacks. spent months fighting the belief i had committed a sin against the holy spirit and no matter what i did i was going to hell.
I rememeber waking up one morning during the height of it and the pressure seemed to lift for a couple of hours this was greatly needed it also corresponded to many of my family saying the rosary as they were very worried for my state of mind.
i can’t honestly say it wasn’t me having a breakdown, but it started when i started to believe in catholic teachings and stopped after months of praying many rosaries, nearly daily mass, adoration and divine mercy sunday
 
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