Darwinism in schools?

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buffalo said:
My bottom three signatures are the Pope’s quotes:
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PBXVI also said this

there is a great deal of scientific proof in favor of evolution, which appears as a reality which we must see and that enriches our knowledge of life and of being as such. (Pope Benedict 7/24/2007)

other popes have talked about evolution

The teaching authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of the human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions, on the part of men experienced in both fields, take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, insofar as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter, for the Catholic Faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God. puis XII

There are no difficulties in explaining the origin of man in regard to the body by means of the theory of evolution According to the hypothesis mentioned it is possible that the human body, following the order impressed by the creator on the energies of life, could have gradually been prepared in the form of antecedent living beings.

Evolution and the catholic faith are not in conflict. As long as you hold God is the mind behind evolution it is in line with Catholic teaching.

When I look at science and when I look at the theory of evolution, it seems obvious to me that man has evolved into what he is now. God just at one point in human history took an adam and an eve and gave them souls. (only two) They were given the supernatural grace of immortality but then they sinned losing that grace, and all their decedents had sin. Just like the Church teaches.

BTW many theologians hold the view that evolution is correct. Out of the many theologians I know at two seminaries one is a young earth creationist (i’ll keep him nameless) and the rest are evolutionist who believe God created the world.
 
johnnyjones said:
Yes, evolution often needs to be tweaked.
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All science needs to be “tweaked”. Newton’s theory of gravity turned out to be not quite correct, so it was “tweaked” to give us Einstein’s General Relativity. In future Einstein’s theory will be “tweaked” to give us a theory of Quantum Gravity.

All you are doing here is showing us that you have inadequate knowledge of the way science works. As science discovers new evidence about how the world works, its theories are “tweaked” as necessary to accommodate the new evidence.

rossum
 
buffalo said:
Tweaked??? :rotfl:It is now religion.
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And religions don’t get “tweaked”?

Consider the Christian attitude to slavery. That has been “tweaked” since Roman times. Even God has “tweaked” the punishment for adultery. The world is full of change, and sometimes things need to be “tweaked” in order that they continue to match reality.

rossum
 
rossum said:
All science needs to be “tweaked”. Newton’s theory of gravity turned out to be not quite correct, so it was “tweaked” to give us Einstein’s General Relativity. In future Einstein’s theory will be “tweaked” to give us a theory of Quantum Gravity.

All you are doing here is showing us that you have inadequate knowledge of the way science works. As science discovers new evidence about how the world works, its theories are “tweaked” as necessary to accommodate the new evidence.

rossum
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Of course some things change. My version of tweaked doesn’t match yours. How many origin stories are we up to now?
 
rossum said:
And religions don’t get “tweaked”?

Consider the Christian attitude to slavery. That has been “tweaked” since Roman times. Even God has “tweaked” the punishment for adultery. The world is full of change, and sometimes things need to be “tweaked” in order that they continue to match reality.

rossum
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Do you see any potential for human beings to physically evolve further? I mean, since we were once apes, any chance of further transitional issues that may match reality.
 
johnnyjones said:
Do you see any potential for human beings to physically evolve further? I mean, since we were once apes, any chance of further transitional issues that may match reality.
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We were never “apes”. If your relating to the fact that homo sapiens evolved from the line that split between apes and chimpanzees, fine, but know what you are describing.

That species later became australopithecus, to other species such as homo habilis to homo erectus, to homo sapien.

Science is an every-changing field simply because we are always learning more and more about our world. The progress of technology allows us to discover things where once it was not capable.

One also has to remember that these transitions occurred over millions of years.

Like I said before, it’s my own belief that evolution happens because God wants it to.
 
ZoeyBdo said:
We were never “apes”. If your relating to the fact that homo sapiens evolved from the line that split between apes and chimpanzees, fine, but know what you are describing.

That species later became australopithecus, to other species such as homo habilis to homo erectus, to homo sapien.

Science is an every-changing field simply because we are always learning more and more about our world. The progress of technology allows us to discover things where once it was not capable.

One also has to remember that these transitions occurred over millions of years.

Like I said before, it’s my own belief that evolution happens because God wants it to.
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Some might differ that our ancestory was not that of apes. God made a man not a sub -species of man.
 
catholictiger said:
PBXVI also said this

there is a great deal of scientific proof in favor of evolution, which appears as a reality which we must see and that enriches our knowledge of life and of being as such. (Pope Benedict 7/24/2007)

other popes have talked about evolution

The teaching authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of the human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions, on the part of men experienced in both fields, take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, insofar as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter, for the Catholic Faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God. puis XII

There are no difficulties in explaining the origin of man in regard to the body by means of the theory of evolution According to the hypothesis mentioned it is possible that the human body, following the order impressed by the creator on the energies of life, could have gradually been prepared in the form of antecedent living beings.

Evolution and the catholic faith are not in conflict. As long as you hold God is the mind behind evolution it is in line with Catholic teaching.

When I look at science and when I look at the theory of evolution, it seems obvious to me that man has evolved into what he is now. God just at one point in human history took an adam and an eve and gave them souls. (only two) They were given the supernatural grace of immortality but then they sinned losing that grace, and all their decedents had sin. Just like the Church teaches.

BTW many theologians hold the view that evolution is correct. Out of the many theologians I know at two seminaries one is a young earth creationist (i’ll keep him nameless) and the rest are evolutionist who believe God created the world.
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Indeed, the evo paradigm includes adaptation which no one denies.

Evo theory has a conflict here:

Adam as the first man
No polygenism
Eve coming from Adam.

No doubt the evo paradigm has taken hold of western civilization. But, I suggest we need to get current to see where the issues are. There are many design deniers out there.

BTW, not all ID people are YECS.
 
catholictiger said:
watch the charity brother

but sometimes science doesn’t get it completely correct and they need to tweak it.
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Right, science is provisional and subject to man’s reasoning. Revelation is not. The problem with Darwinism is that it is now unfalsifiable and every new conflicting finding they make up a story. Follow this for a while and you will see story after story. Why? Becuase they have to now make it fit. Their can be no alternative for materialists.

http://forums.catholic-questions.org/picture.php?albumid=639&pictureid=7720
 
rossum said:
All science needs to be “tweaked”. Newton’s theory of gravity turned out to be not quite correct, so it was “tweaked” to give us Einstein’s General Relativity. In future Einstein’s theory will be “tweaked” to give us a theory of Quantum Gravity.

All you are doing here is showing us that you have inadequate knowledge of the way science works. As science discovers new evidence about how the world works, its theories are “tweaked” as necessary to accommodate the new evidence.

rossum
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What? GR was not a minor tweaking…
 
rossum said:
And religions don’t get “tweaked”?

Consider the Christian attitude to slavery. That has been “tweaked” since Roman times. Even God has “tweaked” the punishment for adultery. The world is full of change, and sometimes things need to be “tweaked” in order that they continue to match reality.

rossum
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You have a misunderstanding here as I have shown about slavery in the past. In any case our understanding of Revelation gets fuller. No branches get cut off the bush. Why? Because truth stands always. Man’s understanding of the truth gets better.
 
ZoeyBdo said:
We were never “apes”. If your relating to the fact that homo sapiens evolved from the line that split between apes and chimpanzees, fine, but know what you are describing.

That species later became australopithecus, to other species such as homo habilis to homo erectus, to homo sapien.

Science is an every-changing field simply because we are always learning more and more about our world. The progress of technology allows us to discover things where once it was not capable.

One also has to remember that these transitions occurred over millions of years.

Like I said before, it’s my own belief that evolution happens because God wants it to.
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Did God know what Adam would look like?
 
johnnyjones said:
Some might differ that our ancestory was not that of apes. God made a man not a sub -species of man.
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It is becoming clearer now. The categorization of species was done with information at hand (coupled with the evo paradigm). I am confident as genetic research continues this will be shattered. Why? Because designers use common components to build many things.
 
buffalo said:
What? GR was not a minor tweaking…
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rossum did not say “minor”. You added that yourself. But General Relativity can be considered a refinement of Newtonian physics because the two theories predict almost the same things for speeds that are within the realm of common human experience.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
rossum did not say “minor”. You added that yourself. But General Relativity can be considered a refinement of Newtonian physics because the two theories predict almost the same things for speeds that are within the realm of common human experience.
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I added “minor” for emphasis. I submit GR and SR were not tweaks but major avoidances to the conclusions reached by experiments.

tweak

verb \ˈtwēk\

Definition of TWEAK

transitive verb
1
: to pinch and pull with a sudden jerk and twist : twitch <tweak**ed a bud from the stem>

2
: to pinch (a person or a body part) lightly or playfully <tweak**ed the baby’s ear affectionately>

**3
** **: to make usually small adjustments in or to <tweak the controls>; especially ****: fine-tune **

4
a : annoy, bother <tweak**ing the establishment> b : to criticize especially in a sly or sharp manner c : to poke fun at

5
: to injure slightly <tweak an ankle>
 
johnnyjones said:
Of course some things change. My version of tweaked doesn’t match yours. How many origin stories are we up to now?
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One. There used to be two, but the Steady State theory did not conform to reality and so was rejected by science.

rossum
 
buffalo said:
You have a misunderstanding here as I have shown about slavery in the past. In any case our understanding of Revelation gets fuller. No branches get cut off the bush. Why? Because truth stands always. Man’s understanding of the truth gets better.
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Precisely. Just as our understanding of Revelation gets fuller, so does our understanding of the real world. In both cases we have to adjust, or ‘tweak’, things to match.

rossum
 
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