Darwin's Theory of Evolution is not scientific

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It seems you have totally misunderstood and consequently misrepresented what I said.

I have not suggested that, “non-God forces created us,” as you put it. God created us and evolution is part of the process. I never said that we, “go to Church because we believe in science” etc. Science doesn’t replace God, it tells us about the universe he created. I am saying that there is no conflict between faith and science and that to suggest there is creates an unnecessary obstacle to belief for some people.
 
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Yes, I’m trying to stop people from thinking the Biology textbook is the be all and end all of human identity. It isn’t.
 
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edwest211 said:
Yes, I’m trying to stop people from thinking the Biology textbook is the be all and end all of human identity. It isn’t.
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Maybe you could point to a a specific post that even suggests that? I’m as scientifically minded as you can get and atheist is my middle name. But even I don’t believe that.

So don’t do any wool pulling around here buddy. You’re as about as fundamentalist as it is possible to be. So literally anything posted about evolution denies your whole viewpoint of existence. If it is true, then you are living a lie. Not the most comfortable position in which to find yourself. But hey, you picked it.
 
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Yes, I’m trying to stop people from thinking the Biology textbook is the be all and end all of human identity. It isn’t.
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We’re on a Catholic forum. The theistic part of theistic evolution should be a given.
 
What is the theistic part? No explanation that I’ve seen is workable. The Biology textbook has to leave it out, that I get.
 
If you want to look into that, thomisticevolution.org is a great resource. I haven’t yet made it through all they have, but their essays on God’s providence are useful in seeing how evolution as science shows us and God’s handiwork are compatible. The essays are written plainly and easy to understand.
 
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What is the theistic part?
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See this planet we’re on? God made it and we know how.

See the Sun? God made it and we know how.

See the solar system? God made it and we know how.

See the galaxies? God made them and we know how.

See one of the common clauses in all those statements? The bit about God being responsible? That’s the theistic bit.

See the other clause that says how we know He did it? That’s the scientific bit.
 
I don’t understand why you don’t have an opinion other than one belonging to others. From all the stuff you have read on the subject, try to come up with something that communicates what you think. It should be asy to put together a few words on how evolution reflects God’s handiwork - creation from nothing and the beginnings of mankind in one man.
 
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I’ll admit to laziness at times. But mostly because I don’t feel much motivation to write long posts when it accomplishes the same as talking to a wall. When I first participated in these threads, I wrote more. Now, after seeing countless circles of endless “Show me the proof”, “Here’s the proof”, “That not proof”, it gets wearisome. Every now and then, if something catches my eye, I’ll get into the mood, but otherwise I may as well just show people a source from those more knowledgeable than me if it has the same result. (Side note: I admire you, @Rossum, that you have continuous stamina to actively participate in these threads.)

Though for now I will say that for the theist who looks at evolution as God’s handiwork, I don’t know how anyone could think about it and not be in awe.
 
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Though for now I will say that for the theist who looks at evolution as God’s handiwork, I don’t know how anyone could think about it and not be in awe.
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An atheist sees the same handiwork and is in awe of evolution.
 
“Natural selection is the blind watchmaker, blind because it does not see ahead, does not plan consequences, has no purpose in view. Yet the living results of natural selectioin overwhelmingly impress us with the appearance of design as if by a master watchmaker, impress us with the illusion of design and planning. The purpose of this book is to resolve the paradox to the satisfaction of the reader, and the purpose of this chapter is further to impress the reader with the power of the illusion of design.”

The Blind Watchmaker: Why the Evidence Reveals a Universe Without Design by Richard Dawkins
 
Techno2000 said:
An atheist sees the same handiwork and is in awe of evolution.
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And how much greater their awe would be if they knew who did it all.

Again, one of the great scandals Christianity faces from the Fundamentalist viewpoint that requires denial of reason in regards to evolution is that it pits a person between that known by reason and that known by faith. And in an era when people by large have not been told how reason is open to God’s existence and faith is diminished to believing despite of no evidence as opposed to believing because of the word of another, the results are heartbreaking. The false requirement to deny evolution creates a barrier to a relationship with God.
 
Last I checked, Dawkins wasn’t in this thread. And I’m sure I could find someone saying a round earth, non-heliocentric solar system, or any manner of things are disproof of religion.
 
Should we hang banners on Churches? “We believe in Evolution! Come on in!”
 
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the Fundamentalist viewpoint that requires denial of reason in regards to evolution is that it pits a person between that known by reason and that known by faith.
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Other than being told it is so, where do you see evolution and not devolution? Genetic mutations mount and fortunately most are neutral and can be taken care of by dominant genes created such that they do the job intended. how does mixing up a leter here nd ther in a peece of litrature evr get to the point that it bcoms a masterpice. Reason tells us there is no such thing as evolution behind the diversity and growing complexity we find in nature - it is the Word of God at work.
 
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When one looks at the fossil record, we see the rise of species after species. In our own heritage, we see Austrolopithecus and other species that led up to man. In our recent history, we see the different skin colors and variety of hair and eye, helping people to better survive where they lived. I’d go on, but I’ve got stuff to do now.
 
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Techno2000:
An atheist sees the same handiwork and is in awe of evolution.
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And how much greater their awe would be if they knew who did it all.

Again, one of the great scandals Christianity faces from the Fundamentalist viewpoint that requires denial of reason in regards to evolution is that it pits a person between that known by reason and that known by faith. And in an era when people by large have not been told how reason is open to God’s existence and faith is diminished to believing despite of no evidence as opposed to believing because of the word of another, the results are heartbreaking. The false requirement to deny evolution creates a barrier to a relationship with God.
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Did God have to use evolution for the fish and loaves or water to wine, I’m more in awe of God creating things without having to use evolution.
 
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