Darwin's Theory of Evolution is not scientific

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opop said:
J. B. S. Haldane, when asked what hypothetical evidence could disprove evolution, replied “fossil rabbits in the Precambrian era”. In other words, the prediction that you will not find such and such species in such and such strata is a prediction that can be verified.
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This shows a marked lack of understanding of the concept of evolution and what it is doing when it’s used to interprets the physical structure of organisms existing now and the remnants of those that once were in time. The fact is that there is nothing that can disprove evolution because it is philosophical, not scientific. It’s a lens that distorts reality, such that whatever you look at will fit the distortion. The reality is something greater and more obvious - creation.
 
Try to repeat something that is random.

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LeafByNiggle said:
Evolution is empirical, observable, repeatable, and predictable
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I have no idea what he means. This comes across as just words put together, amounting to nonsense. I need some clarification as to his line of thinking.
 
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Aloysium said:
The evidence I am requesting has to do with particular mutations in DNA and the concomitant change in the protein for which they code. What you present here is really inadequate to make your case.
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The HbC mutation, which protects against malaria, is beta6Glu → Lys, a mutation in the Beta Haemoglobin protein, replacing Glutamine with Lysine at position 6. See Modiano et al (2001). You will also note that this paper makes a prediction:
These findings, together with the limited pathology of HbAC and HbCC compared to the severely disadvantaged HbSS and HbSC genotypes and the low betaS gene frequency in the geographic epicentre of betaC, support the hypothesis that, in the long term and in the absence of malaria control, HbC would replace HbS in central West Africa.
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This is an example of where evolution can make a testable prediction. HbA is the standard haemoglobin chain, HbS is the sickle cell mutation, “severely disadvantaged”.

The Apo AI-Milano mutation is ApoAI173Arg–>Cys. It protects against heart attacks caused by high cholesterol.

Those two should be enough to be going on with. I will need to dig more for my other examples as there are different mutations having similar effects there. Tibetan and Andean Americans have different ways to adapt to high altitude.

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LeafByNiggle:
the loss of one function is accompanied by the gain of another function - namely the ability to breed with others of the new species.
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I think you should explain how your proposed mechanism would work.
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I not proposing a mechanism, so there is no mechanism for me to explain. I am just observing that a new species has gained a function in the same sense that it has lost a function. Buffalo claims the inability to breed with its parent species is a loss of function, and that’s all that speciation is - a loss of function. I am just showing that to be wrong.
 
Your ability to screen out information in order to maintain your view is remarkable.

Dawkins, a famous supporter of evolution and an atheist, is saying that the only where there can be intelligent design is if a species EVOLVED (you forgot to bold that word) to the point where it had the technology to design new life forms.

All you heard is “la la la la intelligent design is possible la la la.” Truly remarkable. 😃
 
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LeafByNiggle:
repeatable
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What do you mean? It sort of runs counter to the definition of random.
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Not at all. A random coin toss tends to come up heads 50% of the time. You can repeat that experiment tomorrow and the next day and it will still tend to come out 50% heads. The theory is repeatable, even though it is about a random process.
 
It’s such a dumb claim that an average five year-old would immediately ask: “So. . . when giraffes got super-long necks, what function were they losing? They ability not to eat leaves high in trees? The ability to have short legs?”
 
Aloysium said:
The fact is that there is nothing that can disprove evolution because it is philosophical, not scientific. It’s a lens that distorts reality, such that whatever you look at will fit the distortion. The reality is something greater and more obvious - creation.
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As already said, yes, there are things that would disprove evolution if they were discovered, like rabbits fossils in Precambrian strata. Furthermore, the apparition of new species by genetic mutation was empirically observed in at least two cases: tragopogon miscellus and tragopogon mirus So yes, it’s science, not philosophy. Also creation is not opposed to evolution. The distortion seem to be in your own eyes.
 
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rossum said:
The HbC mutation, which protects against malaria, is beta6Glu → Lys, a mutation in the Beta Haemoglobin protein, replacing Glutamine with Lysine at position 6. See Modiano et al (2001). You will also note that this paper makes a prediction:
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Hemoglobins S and C are structural variants of normal HbA that result from separate mutations in the β-globin gene. HbS is protective against death from Plasmodium falciparum malaria.

This is because the deficiency that results in very painful short lives also negatively effects the malaria organism which lives in red blood cells. As has been stated and restated this sort of process of random genetic mutation could never result in the eventual formation human offspring from a presumed unicellular progenitor.
 
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LeafByNiggle said:
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repeatable
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What do you mean? It sort of runs counter to the definition of random.
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Not at all. A random coin toss tends to come up heads 50% of the time. You can repeat that experiment tomorrow and the next day and it will still tend to come out 50% heads. The theory is repeatable, even though it is about a random process.
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Please explain how this applies to evolution.
 
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Evolution doesn’t have rules. It’s a description of the interactions among species and environmental conditions over time.
 
Aloysium said:
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LeafByNiggle:
repeatable
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What do you mean? It sort of runs counter to the definition of random.
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Not at all. A random coin toss tends to come up heads 50% of the time. You can repeat that experiment tomorrow and the next day and it will still tend to come out 50% heads. The theory is repeatable, even though it is about a random process.
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Please explain how this applies to evolution.
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It applies to your comment in which you claimed that evolution could not be repeatable because it involves randomness. My example shows that your objection to evolution being repeatable is faulty.
 
Aloysium said:
Hemoglobins S and C are structural variants of normal HbA that result from separate mutations in the β-globin gene. HbS is protective against death from Plasmodium falciparum malaria.
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HbS and HbC are different variants. HbC protects against malaria and has far fewer deleterious effects than HbS.
Aloysium said:
As has been stated and restated this sort of process of random genetic mutation could never result in the eventual formation human offspring from a presumed unicellular progenitor.
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Almost every single human being results from a “unicellular progenitor”, and that progenitor is not presumed. It is called a zygote, and it is formed when a sperm fertilises an egg. The exceptions are identical twins, where more then one human being forms from a single zygote, or chimeras where one human being forms from two zygotes.

Apart from that obvious error, do you have any scientific evidence to back up your opinion? For example, do you have any evidence that single celled eukaryotes cannot have given rise to a multi-celled organism like Volvox or a sponge? That was the first step in the process.

rossum
 
benjamin1973 said:
Evolution doesn’t have rules. It’s a description of the interactions among species and environmental conditions over time.
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I’m talking about “Survival of the fittest” if man has cause the extinction of a multitude of species, it was because they were unfit.Man can’t be blamed, because he is a product of evolution also.
 
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benjamin1973 said:
Your ability to screen out information in order to maintain your view is remarkable.

Dawkins, a famous supporter of evolution and an atheist, is saying that the only where there can be intelligent design is if a species EVOLVED (you forgot to bold that word) to the point where it had the technology to design new life forms.

All you heard is “la la la la intelligent design is possible la la la.” Truly remarkable. 😃
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Do you really think Dawkins would not make this claim. The point to be made is he admits ID is possible but will into accept the designer as God.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Buffalo claims the inability to breed with its parent species is a loss of function, and that’s all that speciation is - a loss of function. I am just showing that to be wrong.
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Looking at this from a birds eye view speciation is loss of a function once had. We just happen to label them differently and try to claim somehow this is macro-evolution.
 
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