Dating after annulments

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ok, I think I must be wording this wrong because no one has answered my question. Do you think it is very difficult to marry a person knowing you will have to deal with an exwife, and have to raise or have custody disputes. Theology aside. How do you deal with the baggage (sorry dont know any other word), of a person’s past. I dont mean failure, I just mean that each spouse brings their past with them.
Marital love is a sacrificial love. One should be going into marriage asking not what they can get out of it, but what they can give. Everyone is going to have some baggage, so I think rather than looking at someone’s baggage as impediments to your own happiness, rather you should question whether you are the right person to make light the load that they have. If you don’t think that you are capable, then it probably would be wise to not get involved. We all have baggage. Hopefully you will find someone that will be there to help you with yours and whose difficulties you will be equipped to deal with.

I’m just glad that 27 years ago the man that became my stepfather was not put off by my mom having the baggage of two kids. He stepped up to the plate and has been a great husband for my mom and a great dad for my sister and I. In fact, to this day he still treats my sister and I no differently than he does our other sister who is his actual daughter (my half sister). I’m sure it wasn’t easy for a bachelor to suddenly become a dad of a 13 year old and a 10 year old, but he gave it his sincere effort and for that I am grateful.
 
Marital love is a sacrificial love. One should be going into marriage asking not what they can get out of it, but what they can give. Everyone is going to have some baggage, so I think rather than looking at someone’s baggage as impediments to your own happiness, rather you should question whether you are the right person to make light the load that they have. If you don’t think that you are capable, then it probably would be wise to not get involved. We all have baggage. Hopefully you will find someone that will be there to help you with yours and whose difficulties you will be equipped to deal with.

I’m just glad that 27 years ago the man that became my stepfather was not put off by my mom having the baggage of two kids. He stepped up to the plate and has been a great husband for my mom and a great dad for my sister and I. In fact, to this day he still treats my sister and I no differently than he does our other sister who is his actual daughter (my half sister). I’m sure it wasn’t easy for a bachelor to suddenly become a dad of a 13 year old and a 10 year old, but he gave it his sincere effort and for that I am grateful.
Good point. I will consider this. It is just scary to think that a potential husband has already experienced marriage. I think I would be jealous.
 
Good point. I will consider this. It is just scary to think that a potential husband has already experienced marriage. I think I would be jealous.
I’ve hard that women are dangerous of partners past and men of partners future, but you seem to disagree, apparently. 😃

Seriously, though, it’s not an ideal situation, but it can have its good sides, such as experience perhaps (maybe not good sides that would make you seek it, but good enough to alleviate the gravity of the situation). Think maybe the guy was deceived or otherwise abused and/or hurt by another woman. You now have the opportunity to help in the healing of a good guy. Doesn’t it sound good? Now, people who receive express prohibition to marry without the bishop’s consent are a different story. 😉 And yes, of that you can be sure - if someone is at enough fault to warrant this, the tribunal has and will use the power to prohibit him from marriage without prior consent of the ordinary (bishop).
 
Are you going to put a widow or widower into the mix as well? I mean, they had spouses and possibly children as well. Yet few would ‘raise an eyebrow’ at a widower or widow who remarries. Maybe widowers/widows are thought to be ‘too old’ (yet there are many young widows/widowers and always have been).

I also hate the idea that my children might be equated to ‘luggage’. 😦

Life is not a 21st century sitcom/drama. And a lot of people who marry ‘without baggage’ (or at least without ‘visible’ signs) wind up being divorced anywhere from a few months to a few years later too!
 
Litllulu, I want to thank you for posting these questions here. The responses from the members of this forum have given me much to think and pray about. I am a single mom and expect that I will be receiving a decree of nullity (lack of form) soon. I have actually had the same questions about myself that you asked in your original post.

I have wondered about dating, and all you folks who posted here reminded me that it is not my choice, but God’s will that takes precedence. I am not “damaged” or a “failure” (though I sometimes feel that way), but rather a forgiven and beloved child of God. And my son (and his father and grandparents, etc.) are such a blessing in my life. If God wills it, there will be a man looking for these added blessings in his marriage. If not, then I will joyfully live out a chaste and full life.

I appreciate all your posts more than I can express. May God bless you all for your answers, and you, Litllulu, for asking these questions.

Gertie (not my real name, but I like it)
 
I would, of course you have to be aware of the economic implications that this situation brings. You must be aware that it is a package deal. You marry the person with kids and everything.

I married a divorced and protestant woman, this divorced woman has two kids of her own. One blessed day she decided to baptize our little girl. I jump out of my seat because I was sort of praying for it, because I was feeling the need to return to the church.

I told her no, I don’t want any kind of problems with your father. She said that is going to be my fathers day gift for you.
June 20, 2004. We had to fight for that blessing since the local priest would not baptize the child for us being mixed religion and Living in Sin. Finally he agreed to do it only if somebody vouched for the God Parents stating they were catholic.

Well we started going to the church. She of course was like any fundamentalist questioning everything that was done on the Mass.

A month later she started taking cathechism class, withoiut telling me a thing. She would come and ask these kind of questions that are normal stuff for us. Like what says the scripture about Mary and so. I would have to study to answer back to her.

One year after, she noticed that during consacration something else was happening. Note that we know this things, but most of the time this are revealed to protestant persons that are looking for God in The Church.
She noticed that what happened at the Calvary is what happens at the altar during consacration of the species.

She was so impressed by what was revealed to her that she wanted to take part on it.

We talked to the local priest again and he said that he would convalidate our marriage, but there was a problem she was divorced from another pentecostal man who was Catholic once but baptized in the pentecostal church. Only because he was baptized on that church their marriage was valid to the Catholic Church and it was a sacrament.

I was outraged because if we believe in only one baptism Ef 4, 5. How could that second repetitive pentecostal baptism be representative of a formal defection from the Church. This was a misinterpretation of the law. Beside she was called by Christ to join his body.

Everybody even the Bishop, told us to pray to God that soon we would find a solution. I told her you must be strong and ask for a nullment decision. She did not want that, because there was to many protestant people involved and she did not wanted to bother them. Every sunday at mass I would ask god for a solution before the Holy Eucarist and to give her courage to start the nullment process. She would pray for another solution, something like for Rome to see the Canon law 1087 in another way just like I had interpret it.

Every sunday we pray to Christ for the solution. We baptized her oldest daughter. Not the boy yet. We had been going to the Church every sunday for almost two and a half years.

Now, on December 6, 2006 day of Saint Nicholas, the real St. Nick. We received a phone call from the Godfather of the oldest girl, he is on the seminar studying canon law. He told my wife that there was a new interpretation to the Formal act of defection. He sent the copies to us, we received them, read and were so Happy. It was unbelievable, imagine the odds of Rome changing anything, specially something that has being like that since 1983, 24 years.
For us this is a miracle of the Holy Eucharist Sacrament.

The letter says in brief that for you to be considered a Formal defector from the church there are three conditions:
  1. You must make the internal descision to defect.
  2. You must turn into a notorious defector practicing another religion or cult or chirstian cult. (The second baptism covers that.)
  3. You must put it in writing so the Parrish can anotate into the baptism record that you are a defector.(This is the formal defection from Church)
Guess what nobody does that in Latin America, of course out of ingnorance, but it was the door that my wife was adking for so we could get married in the Church, with out bugging anybody in the families.

So since my wife was married to a Catholic baptized person who did not contracted matrimony following the canonical form and was not a formal defector, her previous marriage was declared null for lack of canonical form.

To end the story, she made all the sacraments and we got married aleluya! on February 24, 2007. We are very happy, when she made her first communion she had the vision again she saw Christ dying on the cross saying, It’s all done. I was waiting for you. She got scared and she open her eyes.

If I don’t tell you that satan is pi…, I would be lying to you because he lost two souls that saturday had try to ruin everything since that day, but love can win against all odds and we really love each other.
We must keep praying and going to Mass to keep our marriage Holy.

We were blessed by God due to our prayer and the prayers of all the Family. This is a free gift that god made us and we did not deserve it.
 
I was in no way shape or form knocking the people who DO date divorcees. I was not asking the morality of it, I understand what an anullment means in the eyes of God. I just see people with true hardships after dating someone who has been married annulled, married annulled, married annulled, and they do this two or three times, have a bunch of kids with different partners and in the eyes of the Almighty its ok because it “never happened”. Maybe religiously speaking it did not “happen” but the effects are the same, child support, custody battles, discipline disputes, privilege disputes, so many argue for the sake of arguing, some use their kids as a way to get back at the ex spouse. It seems demoralizing at times. I dont knock divorcees, I recognize the fact that people GET left, and are not always leaving someone. It is just something I personally struggle with. I don’t know if I want to tangle myself in messes I don’t have to. I know, not everyone is like that, but it is not uncommon. Thanks for your posts!👍

My point is this: no one in the eyes of the law will be exempt from child support etc. just because their church said that the marriage never took place!
 
The civil effects are always going to be there, including kids from the previous marriage(s) and child support.

Nobody is saying go out today and find the first guy with decrees of nullity, 2 ex-wives and 6 kids, marry him, and all will be well.

We are saying that simply because a person has a decree of nullity does not make him a “bad catch” or “damaged goods”.

If you don’t want to marry somebody who has previously attempted marriage, then don’t. Better to decide that now, before getting involved. On the other hand, don’t expect your “field” to be open as wide in the choices of perspective spouses.
 
Would anyone consider dating a person who had previously married (annulled of course), or someone who had kids?
I just cant see myself being married to someone who has already done it before, and failed on top of it!
hmm …
As one who has received an annulment,has a child from my first marriage, and am now in a happy, successful marriage, I’m a bit offended by your comment. At the same time, I can understand some of your concern, since I heard part of the same comments from my husband.

Do you think that God has a hand in your future mate? What if He picked a spouse for you that had been married before, unsuccessfully? What if that person had children? Would you turn down someone that Our Lord had chosen for you?

My husband told me that he never intended to date someone divorced, or with children. He was a 39 year old bachelor, and dealing with those types of “issues” scared the daylights out of him. Good thing he didn’t run the other way. We’ve made it through year number one, and have a beautiful baby girl to bless us as well.

Being married before brings something to the table for myself. I’m a better person because of it. I have my oldest daughter, whom I love dearly. I often say that she was the successful part of my first marriage. Plus, I would not have appreciated my husband NEARLY as much, had I been single all these years.

:twocents:
 
You are assuming that because a person files for, or has divorced filed on them, means the marriage failed because of them. But a marriage is made of two persons, and it can be broken by one, not necessarily both. Most of us who have gone through this have actually been very ‘successful’ at being wives (or husbands), mothers (or fathers), but in spite of this, somehow, someway, the other partner found this ‘not enough’ for him/her. **And despite the best efforts of one party to preserve a marriage, if the other will not participate, the marriage will fail.
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It is difficult enough to cope with how ‘society’ sees us and judges us on ‘wordly’ terms. Knowing that we did our Christian duty and feeling secure in God’s understanding and that it was not our ‘failure’ that precipitated things, and having the healing of a decree of nullity, is healthy for us, body and soul.

That is why it is so troubling to find that, even among those who know the faith, know the situations, etc., there are still some who would lump all of us who have undergone this as ‘failures’, unworthy of even consideration because supposedly we ‘couldn’t make it the first time.’
Just wanted to say that this was an excellent post …
I went through this feeling of being a failure during/after my divorce as well, and had a hard time again when the relationship with my husband began moving toward marriage.

Thank God my husband took a chance on this “failure”. I look at it as doing it right, with the right man!

God bless.

Dianna
 
I was in no way shape or form knocking the people who DO date divorcees. I was not asking the morality of it, I understand what an anullment means in the eyes of God. I just see people with true hardships after dating someone who has been married annulled, married annulled, married annulled, and they do this two or three times, have a bunch of kids with different partners and in the eyes of the Almighty its ok because it “never happened”. Maybe religiously speaking it did not “happen” but the effects are the same, child support, custody battles, discipline disputes, privilege disputes, so many argue for the sake of arguing, some use their kids as a way to get back at the ex spouse. It seems demoralizing at times. I dont knock divorcees, I recognize the fact that people GET left, and are not always leaving someone. It is just something I personally struggle with. I don’t know if I want to tangle myself in messes I don’t have to. I know, not everyone is like that, but it is not uncommon. Thanks for your posts!👍
A person with three decrees of nullity under his or her belt does indeed seem to have a problem. And that’s more likely poor choosing or an own share in the fault, than being deceived thrice. I would say if you have a problem with the idea of being with someone who has had a marriage declared null, then don’t date that group of people simple as that. Everyone has such exclusions (I have my pet peeves too). But if you actually were to fall in love with such a person and would otherwise marry him, I don’t think it would be wise to skip him on principle just because of the nullity decree.
My point is this: no one in the eyes of the law will be exempt from child support etc. just because their church said that the marriage never took place!
And neither will the Church exempt him! The Church demands that children be supported (Church tribunals can rule on child support), as does basic human decency. Would you even want to look at a man who doesn’t want to support his children with another woman?
 
Before my own divorce, I would have said “no, I would not be involved with someone who has alreayd ‘failed’ at a marriage”.

Now that I’m divorced myself, I’ve changed that opinion. My ex-husband failed, not me. You never know the story unless you ask. (And no, there does not always have to be"fault" on both sides for a divorce to happen…one person can screw it up enough for both of you…just the same way one person cannot “save” it by themselves if it’s broken.)
 
There you are with that word “failed” again.
I agree “failed” is not a very friendly word, but to be truthful, when I filled out my petition for decree of nullity, I noticed my diocese refers to them as exactly that “failed marriage”.

My marriage failed. I didn’t. There’s a difference. 🙂
 
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