Dating an Atheist

  • Thread starter Thread starter datinganatheist
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRealJuliane forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_khaki/viewpost.gif
*We’re gonna rope you in yet, just wait!

:crossrc:

An atheist quoting the Catechism? Oh, yeah, you’re in trouble now, buddy!

:D*

I would like to point out, however, that a certain pitchfork toting individual himself quoted Scripture.

😉

Yes I do that too! :bible1: I check periodically for signs of a tail growing, but there is none so far, and no horns are yet poking through my thinning hair.
 
Banned topic? does this mean that there are topics which cannot be talked about on this blog? Why would that be? Too contentious?
First, this is a sponsored site. It is not a blog.
Over the years certain topics have proved to be
triggers of contentious and uncharitable posts.

Each forum posts any banned topics in the Admin
section as you enter the forum. Also some “bans”
might appear within the Rules of the Forum.

Plus some topics are only banned for a short time.
 
Banned topic? does this mean that there are topics which cannot be talked about on this blog? Why would that be? Too contentious?
Yes, there are a number of topics that are banned, either temporarily or permanently.

The Rules of the Road section contains a list of Banned Topics:

forums.catholic-questions.org/forumdisplay.php?f=91

But it also pays to look at the top in the “sticky note” section of the various sub forums because some banned topics are listed there instead or in addition to the “Rules of the Road” section.
 
Yes, there are a number of topics that are banned, either temporarily or permanently.

The Rules of the Road section contains a list of Banned Topics:

forums.catholic-questions.org/forumdisplay.php?f=91

But it also pays to look at the top in the “sticky note” section of the various sub forums because some banned topics are listed there instead or in addition to the “Rules of the Road” section.
THANK YOU!

You said it far better than I did.
 
…Yes I do that too! :bible1: I check periodically for signs of a tail growing, but there is none so far, and no horns are yet poking through my thinning hair.
Thinning hair is a sign of holiness,.👍
At least I hope so.😊😊😊
 
threatening to break up with you after a year if you don’t have sex with him?

doesn’t sound like a nice person to me
 
I feel confused
You don’t sound confused. You want someone who really loves you = respects and honors your beliefs.
he always asks how sex could be a sin if we both love each other and aren’t hurting anyone.
I wonder how many other people he has been with? Some STD’s even give women cancer, lifelong infertility, then there is HIV. Sex before marriage isn’t always completely harmless from a medical point of view, much less spiritual point of view.
I feel confused, especially since he always asks how sex could be a sin if we both love each other and aren’t hurting anyone.
It actually is causing you a lot of distress emotionally and physically so it is causing one of you some hurt of some degree.
I love this man so much, and I really don’t want our relationship to end.
Too bad he doesn’t feel the same way as he is giving you time limits and ultimatums. That isn’t real love.
 
OP,
if you are any way serious about your faith, you would not be “in-love” with someone who does not share it. You would not be violating God’s moral law if you were serious about your faith. It doesn’t matter whether he is atheist, muslim, jewish, hindu, baptist, lutheran etc,
your potential partner for life, then one you hope to have children with does not share or believe or support what you say you believe. Also you have harmed any future bond in marriage be participating in pre-marital sex. There have been many secular studies that show and prove that having pre-marital sex, living together does more harm than good to a long lasting happy marriage. You have 2 strikes against any lasting future with this guy, difference in beliefs or faith and the sex. You need to decide that if you are in any way serious of practicing your Catholic faith, you need to go to confession and realize that you may have to let go of him and move on with your life and faith. You can’t mix oil and water. You have made bad choices which will be painful to undo.
 
This ought to be understood in the plural.

The man you describe does not sound like a bad sort. The truth is, he may be doing more with the grace he has been given than many of us, for didn’t the Lord include this in his description of the Last Judgement: Then the righteous will answer him and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?Matt. 25:37-39 Obviously, it is possible to please the Lord without specifically setting out to do that.

In the meantime, however, realize that it is no piece of cake for an atheist to be married to a devout Catholic, either. This sexual issue–which to his credit, he is willing to make a sacrifice for in order to satisfy your beliefs, not his own–is not going to be the last issue. What happens when he is there to watch you teach your children the faith? He will be confronted with the choice of biting his tongue or pretending beliefs he does not have, or else he will feel duty bound to tell the truth and teach your children what he honestly thinks is the truth: that even though it is in the best nature of humans to be caring and mutually willing to make sacrifices for each other out of love, God doesn’t exist and neither does most of what their mother is teaching them.

Do you want that for him? Do you want that for your children? It is a hard life. Are you willing to make sacrifices so that your husband will come to the faith, which will be your task? It is possible, but consider the great love Servant of God Elisabeth Leseur had for her husband. Archbishop Fulton Sheen tells how he heard of her story:

*Just at the turn of the century, there was a woman married in Paris, just a good, ordinary Catholic girl, to an atheist doctor, Dr. Felix Leseur. He attempted to break down the faith of his wife and she reacted and began studying her faith. In 1905, she was taken ill and tossed on a bed of constant pain until August 1914. When she was dying, she said to her husband, “Felix, when I am dead, you will become a Catholic and a Dominican priest.”

“Elizabeth, you know my sentiments. I’ve sworn hatred of God, I shall live in the hatred and I shall die in it.”

She repeated her words and passed away. She died in her husband’s arms at the early age of 47.

Rummaging through her papers, Felix found her will. She wrote:

“In 1905, I asked almighty God to send me sufficient sufferings to purchase your soul. On the day that I die, the price will have been paid. Greater love than this no woman has than she who lay down her life for her husband.”

Dr. Leseur, the atheist, dismissed her will as the fancies of a pious woman. He decided to write a book against Lourdes. He went down to Lourdes to write against Our Lady.

However, as he looked up into the face of the statue of Mary, he received the great gift of faith. So total, so complete was it, that he never had to go through the process of juxtaposition and say, “how will I answer this or that difficulty?”

He saw it all. At once.

The then reigning pontiff was Benedict XV. Then came World War I. Hearing of the conversion of Dr. Leseur, Pope Benedict XV sent for him. Dr. Leseur went in the company of Fr. Jon Vinnea, orator of Notre Dame. Dr. Leseur recounted his conversion and said that he wanted to become a Dominican priest. Holy Father said, “I forbid you. You must remain in the world and repair the harm which you have done.”

The Holy Father then talked to Fr. Vinnea and then again to Dr. Leseur and said:

“I revoke my decision. Whatever Fr. Vinnea tells you to do, you may do.”

In the year 1924, during Lent, I, Fulton J. Sheen, made my retreat in the Dominican monastery in Belgium. Four times each day, and 45 minutes in length, I made my retreat under the spiritual guidance of Father Felix Leseur of the Order of Preachers, Catholic Dominican priest, who told me this story.*

If you love him enough to marry him and believe that this is in God’s plan for you, then accept that it is also in God’s plan to give you the task of sacrificing for your husband’s conversion, and with no guarantee you will see fruit from that labor, either in this life or the next. Your story might not be as dramatic as that of Elisabeth and Felix LeSeur, but your story will require great sacrifice from both of you. Either discern that this is not your call, and give this man up to God’s care, or else resolve to give the work of his salvation your all and truly resolve to seek for him the best, which is to say a conversion into the faith handed down by the Apostles, which is the ordinary route to everlasting life.
This! 👍 😃
 
Hello!

I would appreciate anyone’s advice because I am at a loss. I don’t know what to do and I’m scared. Please, if you can’t give advice, pray for me, because I need it!

Thank you, and sorry for the long post!

~ datinganatheist
I’m not going to say Run away - or go for it… I’m going to ask some difficult questions.
  1. if you really want to be Devout, then Focus on that. A great place to start is “Introduction to the Devout Life” by St Francis de Sales. - It’s not a light read. I’ve been at it more than a year, and Im about 60% through. But almost every page contains treasures.
  2. You say you’re dating. Are you seriously considering marriage in the forseeable future?
    His idea of a year- according to some stastics I’ve read (but couldnt find to quote properly right now) that’s not a bad length of time for an engagement / courtship People with very long or very short courtship periods are less likely to make a go of the marriage. (12 - 18 month courtships have the lowest divorce rates)
    Similarly People who live together first are more likely to divorce than those who don’t.
  3. if you’re considering marriage to have a Catholic marriage to an athiest you will need formal dispensation. he will need to commit to a fully Catholic marriage. - Raising the kids as Catholics - not using ABC - He must not even suggest the idea of a Pre-Nup (even the suggestion would potentially give grounds for annullment. He must committ in full to the idea of “Till death do us part” and “Let no man pull assunder”
If you want to pursue this relationship, you should certainly take advice from a good priest, but you must also take time with him to discuss these matters. What’s his definintion of marriage. Can he agree to a Catholic one? Will he agree to take proper pre-nuptual instruction from the church - probably - ideally he should attend an RCIA course or similar to gain an understanding of what is expected of him - in addition to the standard course other engaged couples undertake.

If he cannot agree to a proper Catholic Marriage, and genuinely attempting to raise your children as Catholics, then you cannot enter into a vaild sacramental marriage with him. Therefore you must either break this off before you get even more hurt or enter into a marriage which is either potentially or automatically null and void.

so:
Is a time frame of about 1 year enough for you to plan a wedding? would you both be ready then? Are you ready to get engaged now? (if you’ve just started College then that might be a no) If No, then why are you dating now instead of waiting a couple of years? Dating without the realistic prospect of marrying the other person is just entering the occasions of sin. and putting your emotional and spiritual well-being at huge risk.

Is he willing to enter into a Catholic marriage? - with everything that places on the marriage in addition to what is expected in secular society?

Are you willing to take up his Cross as well as your own? and carry them both? Is your Christianity enough to sanctify the whole family?

Is your faith strong enough to withstand his constant erosion of it due to his opposing beliefs? Do you desire to see him converted? (if not you do not truly love him)
 
I agree with those who have stated that sex is NOT love. Sex is only a part of how we express love but it is NOT love.

Pray, pray, pray… but I would encourage you to leave this man. He is not well suited to you at all. I know that’s hard to hear. Probably devastating… but his world view and yours do not mesh.

This can’t work. Not with his attitude and not with yours. You two are too far apart.

Let go. Let God.
 
I could have written this at your age. My “first love” was an atheist who supposedly “respected my faith completely”. I spent a lot of years with him, and my faith took a severe beating. Well, it was pretty much lost altogether until several years after I finally broke up with him. I am home now. I am forgiven, and I thank God for it, but I will always regret the lost years.

Get out now. Just do it. I know you love him and think you can’t live without him. Trust me, you can. I also know it will be hard. Sexual intimacy creates a powerful physical bond because that is what it is meant to do. In marriage, this is a desirable thing. Outside of marriage, well, it’s a recipe for heartbreak. I am not saying he is evil or abusive or anything like that, just that he is only concerned with this world, like my ex-boyfriend. Wish him the best, pray for him, but get out of this relationship. Look for a man who wants to help you get closer to God, not someone who will always be pulling you away.
 
Hello!

I came across this website while looking for help regarding interfaith dating.

I am a Catholic who has been brought up in a strict Catholic family. I would consider myself very devout also, due to the fact that I have attended Catholic schools all my life and go to Church every Sunday. But I just started college this year and fell in love with an atheist man. At first, it was supposed to be a casual dating situation, but it turned into something much more; I’m in love!

As I’ve mentioned, he’s an atheist, so we RARELY agree on religious issues. He COMPLETELY respects my religious views, and has never insulted me on my faith (except for when he’s just teasing me - we like to tease each other on our faith differences). Also, I like discussing with him the difference of our beliefs because it has made me more confident about myself and my background. So these things aren’t really a problem.

I have a two-part problem:

We had pre-marital sexual relations (which I know is a sin). As an atheist, he has no problem with pre-marital sex, and as things got more serious, I suddenly found myself not a virgin anymore. I don’t regret that I had sex with him because I do love him, but I do feel bad that I have sinned (that I regret). I feel confused, especially since he always asks how sex could be a sin if we both love each other and aren’t hurting anyone. What’s worse is that though I know that it’s a sin, I still feel tempted to do it again. I want to do it again, but I don’t want to sin. This has caused many sleepless nights and worry.

But the worse part of this problem is what he said. He said that in a relationship, he believes in The Triangular Theory of Love, which states that a solid romantic relationship must have intimacy, passion, and commitment. He believes that passion includes having sex. I told him that I understand his belief in this, but I don’t understand why he needs this to be fulfilled before marriage. He said that before marriage, he wanted to be sure that the marriage would work (he would be able to tell through this solid triangle). And when I told him that I might not be able to have sex with him again, I asked if he would stay with me. He said that he could guarantee a whole year, but he wasn’t sure if he would be able to stay with me after that. He said that he wasn’t sure if he could go out with me any longer without fulfilling that third point in the triangle. But he said that he’ll try because he loves me. I appreciate and love that he’s being completely honest with me, but I felt discouraged at that.

I love this man so much, and I really don’t want our relationship to end. I’ve been up at nights and crying because I worry over it. Every time I talk to him, he is able to comfort me, but he said that he’s getting frustrated because it seems that I want sex, but I quickly change my mind. These two opposing wants (the want of sex, the want of not sinning) are killing me! I don’t know what to do. And I don’t want to stop dating him!

I would appreciate anyone’s advice because I am at a loss. I don’t know what to do and I’m scared. Please, if you can’t give advice, pray for me, because I need it!

Thank you, and sorry for the long post!

~ datinganatheist
As a Catholic Christian, I would say that dating a non-Christian would make you unequally yoked.

bible.cc/2_corinthians/6-14.htm

Also, just because one goes to church does not make them a Christian.

Believe in Jesus Christ and you shall be saved!
 
OP,
if you are any way serious about your faith, you would not be “in-love” with someone who does not share it. You would not be violating God’s moral law if you were serious about your faith. It doesn’t matter whether he is atheist, muslim, jewish, hindu, baptist, lutheran etc,
your potential partner for life, then one you hope to have children with does not share or believe or support what you say you believe. Also you have harmed any future bond in marriage be participating in pre-marital sex. There have been many secular studies that show and prove that having pre-marital sex, living together does more harm than good to a long lasting happy marriage. You have 2 strikes against any lasting future with this guy, difference in beliefs or faith and the sex. You need to decide that if you are in any way serious of practicing your Catholic faith, you need to go to confession and realize that you may have to let go of him and move on with your life and faith. You can’t mix oil and water. You have made bad choices which will be painful to undo.
Could you quote some scripture or direct us towards church teaching that supports this? Or is this just your opinion?
 
I could have written this at your age. My “first love” was an atheist who supposedly “respected my faith completely”. I spent a lot of years with him, and my faith took a severe beating. Well, it was pretty much lost altogether until several years after I finally broke up with him. I am home now. I am forgiven, and I thank God for it, but I will always regret the lost years.

Get out now. Just do it. I know you love him and think you can’t live without him. Trust me, you can. I also know it will be hard. Sexual intimacy creates a powerful physical bond because that is what it is meant to do. In marriage, this is a desirable thing. Outside of marriage, well, it’s a recipe for heartbreak. I am not saying he is evil or abusive or anything like that, just that he is only concerned with this world, like my ex-boyfriend. Wish him the best, pray for him, but get out of this relationship. Look for a man who wants to help you get closer to God, not someone who will always be pulling you away.
This. Re-read it over and over. She knows what she’s talking about.

👍
 
Hello!

I came across this website while looking for help regarding interfaith dating.

I am a Catholic who has been brought up in a strict Catholic family. I would consider myself very devout also, due to the fact that I have attended Catholic schools all my life and go to Church every Sunday. But I just started college this year and fell in love with an atheist man. At first, it was supposed to be a casual dating situation, but it turned into something much more; I’m in love!

As I’ve mentioned, he’s an atheist, so we RARELY agree on religious issues. He COMPLETELY respects my religious views, and has never insulted me on my faith (except for when he’s just teasing me - we like to tease each other on our faith differences). Also, I like discussing with him the difference of our beliefs because it has made me more confident about myself and my background. So these things aren’t really a problem.

I have a two-part problem:

We had pre-marital sexual relations (which I know is a sin). As an atheist, he has no problem with pre-marital sex, and as things got more serious, I suddenly found myself not a virgin anymore. I don’t regret that I had sex with him because I do love him, but I do feel bad that I have sinned (that I regret). I feel confused, especially since he always asks how sex could be a sin if we both love each other and aren’t hurting anyone. What’s worse is that though I know that it’s a sin, I still feel tempted to do it again. I want to do it again, but I don’t want to sin. This has caused many sleepless nights and worry.

But the worse part of this problem is what he said. He said that in a relationship, he believes in The Triangular Theory of Love, which states that a solid romantic relationship must have intimacy, passion, and commitment. He believes that passion includes having sex. I told him that I understand his belief in this, but I don’t understand why he needs this to be fulfilled before marriage. He said that before marriage, he wanted to be sure that the marriage would work (he would be able to tell through this solid triangle). And when I told him that I might not be able to have sex with him again, I asked if he would stay with me. He said that he could guarantee a whole year, but he wasn’t sure if he would be able to stay with me after that. He said that he wasn’t sure if he could go out with me any longer without fulfilling that third point in the triangle. But he said that he’ll try because he loves me. I appreciate and love that he’s being completely honest with me, but I felt discouraged at that.

I love this man so much, and I really don’t want our relationship to end. I’ve been up at nights and crying because I worry over it. Every time I talk to him, he is able to comfort me, but he said that he’s getting frustrated because it seems that I want sex, but I quickly change my mind. These two opposing wants (the want of sex, the want of not sinning) are killing me! I don’t know what to do. And I don’t want to stop dating him!

I would appreciate anyone’s advice because I am at a loss. I don’t know what to do and I’m scared. Please, if you can’t give advice, pray for me, because I need it!

Thank you, and sorry for the long post!

~ datinganatheist
I think if you really love this man, you should take sometime off from seeing him, God doesnt want you or him to be sinning. If this man is really your soulmate, he will respect you and value your beliefs because love is sacrifice and sacrifice is love. i think taking sometime off is good, it will let him test and see if he is better or worse without you.
 
My advice: Find someone else. If someone can’t respect your religious beliefs, you needn’t be with them. And, others have already chastised you for fornication, I shall do the same. It’s not that it’s a sin that’s the problem. It’s that it’s a sin, and you know it’s a sin, but you did it anyway. Which is more important, being one half of an official couple, or keeping your soul? Mortal sin is mortal for the reason that, if you die unrepentant, you could go to hell. You believe in Hell, I hope. Do you want to go there? Revelation 21:8.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top