Dating an Atheist

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I hope you realize how much your husband loves you. For an atheist, or any non-Catholic really to do all of that for love shows a great amount of sacrifice and caring. He must really see something special in you:)
I know. He shows me every day how much he loves me. :o

But it never hurts for someone to remind me. 👍
 
Do you really find marriage to be “very difficult?” On rare occasions you will post something about life with your husband. I got the impression that you are relatively happy. As for myself, I don’t think I’ve ever had to actually “make a decision” to love my husband. It just seems to come very naturally - our different religious outlooks notwithstanding.
Yes, I do believe marriage is very difficult.

And yes, my DH and I are very happy. But that is precisely because we founded our marriage on Christ knowing we cannot do it without him, and that we must always strive to sacrifice for the other and love them with Christ’s love-- even on days we don’t particularly feel like it.

Secular marriages, on the whole, have an entirely different approach. You don’t have to read posts on here for long to see that sacrificial love is in the minority.
 
A few thoughts from an atheist.
  1. Just a reminder before we bash all Catholic-atheist marriages that there are some people on here who are married to atheists and do not regret it. They don’t feel lonely or as though they should have married within their faith.
  2. Should you decide to date him you cannot do it thinking that he will convert. You cannot marry him planning on being able to convert him later in life. You have to take him as he is now. And you do have to understand that even if he agrees to raise the children Catholic they will know that he doesn’t believe. He cannot and should not lie to his kids about his religion. That is not how you raise children and have an open and trusting household.
  3. I am not a big fan of the idea of Christian-atheist marriages in general. That’s not to say that there aren’t many happy, healthy, and strong couples and families built around them, but it can make things a lot harder. There are so many basic things that you will have to respect each others views on but that you will never be able to agree with. Some outlooks and beliefs are just completely incompatible. That’s not to say that one person is better than the other, or a better person, far from it. They could be two of the best, most honest, most loving, generous, and moral people on the planet but they just wouldn’t be good together, and that is ok. Even amongst people that do have the same faith there will always be wonderful people that for whatever reason should not get married and raise a family together.
As an atheist my dating pool would have been very small if I had limited myself to other atheists. So I did realize that I could date someone who was casually religious and very liberal about it. You know, the kind who don’t really go to church and believe that they have a personal relationship with god. Maybe even the “more spiritual than religious” types. But I knew that I would never be with a devout anything. There would just be too many issues and one or both of us would have to compromise on issues that no one should have to compromise on. ** As it turns out I did meet and fall in love with another atheist, and it does help tremendously that we have the same basic outlook and worldview**.
Actually, you know that as a baptized Catholic, he is still a Catholic, even if he has fallen away from the Church. HE may not consider himself to be a Catholic, but his baptism has left an indelible mark on this soul. And when I was a practicing witch, I didn’t consider myself to be a Catholic either, but I certainly was, and when God wanted me to come home, I did.
 
Actually, you know that as a baptized Catholic, he is still a Catholic, even if he has fallen away from the Church. HE may not consider himself to be a Catholic, but his baptism has left an indelible mark on this soul. And when I was a practicing witch, I didn’t consider myself to be a Catholic either, but I certainly was, and when God wanted me to come home, I did.
For all intents and purposes, he’s an atheist. If I narrowed my search down to atheists who had never been baptized in to a religion I would have been a very lonely person.

When it comes to his beliefs, values, outlooks, worldview, morals, ethics, thought processes, etc we are compatible, and when it comes to building a marriage that is far more important than what one’s parents had them baptized as as children.
 
Betty and Mary,

Thank you both for your replies. It is wonderful to hear how well your marriages work in light of the religious differences, and your responses were helpful to me. I still wouldn’t significantly change my advice to the original poster, but it is good to know that some Catholic/atheist marriages do work well.

Mary, my heart goes out to you for the health problems that you mentioned. That must be tough, knowing the risks that would come with another pregnancy.

Betty, have you heard good explanations of the Catholic teaching on contraception, such as Janet Smith’s “Contraception, Why Not” talk? Also, how do you reconcile Jesus’s promise that the Holy Spirit would lead the church into all truth, with your perception that the church continues to teach wrongly on contraception? I’m not trying to pick a fight on this issue. But you mentioned that you had gotten a furious response from nuns when you were younger, which made me think that perhaps you hadn’t heard arguments for the teaching beyond that furious response. (Or perhaps you have heard the best arguments, and you just aren’t convinced.)
 
This is the time of life when you really can come to an adult understanding of the faith. Growing up, the faith can seem like a long list of ‘don’ts’ and some ‘do’s’, but as you finish school and find your way into what you will be in the world, there should be a lot of prayer involved, and time spent quietly before the Blessed Sacrament. Decisions done in the next 5 years can set a course for your lifetime. It can be a time where you can really mess things up!

One day, should you be married with a family, hard times will come. They do for everyone, and if you know how to walk hand in hand with the Living God, you wouldn’t settle for a life partner that doesn’t do this as well. Someone who knows how to go on his knees before the Throne of the Almighty and see the power of God come upon the people and situations that need change and grace. A man with a Rosary in his pocket knows how to draw down power and when there’s life and death, finances, illness, children, health, housing, and every other concern, that’s the kind of man you want as a husband. And that means being an amazing woman of faith yourself! Now’s the time to come into that. You are the temple of the Living God! Christ won that for you on the Cross. To date an atheist is telling God that these things really aren’t all that important, but they are, and it’s an awesome and frightful thing to walk with God every day! Come into your inheritance! It’s yours to have!
 
This is the time of life when you really can come to an adult understanding of the faith. Growing up, the faith can seem like a long list of ‘don’ts’ and some ‘do’s’, but as you finish school and find your way into what you will be in the world, there should be a lot of prayer involved, and time spent quietly before the Blessed Sacrament. Decisions done in the next 5 years can set a course for your lifetime. It can be a time where you can really mess things up!

One day, should you be married with a family, hard times will come. They do for everyone, and if you know how to walk hand in hand with the Living God, you wouldn’t settle for a life partner that doesn’t do this as well. Someone who knows how to go on his knees before the Throne of the Almighty and see the power of God come upon the people and situations that need change and grace. A man with a Rosary in his pocket knows how to draw down power and when there’s life and death, finances, illness, children, health, housing, and every other concern, that’s the kind of man you want as a husband. And that means being an amazing woman of faith yourself! Now’s the time to come into that. You are the temple of the Living God! Christ won that for you on the Cross. To date an atheist is telling God that these things really aren’t all that important, but they are, and it’s an awesome and frightful thing to walk with God every day! Come into your inheritance! It’s yours to have!
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Agree 100%. There are many effects that are very subtle. And the faith of the believer can be weakened in so many ways…it takes 2 people to make a marriage, a sacramental marriage. You need support as does your spouse. Without that partner, you have no support. You are alone. No matter how close you are in other ways, when it comes time to pray…You’re alone. In church…alone…teaching the children the faith…Alone.
 
This is the time of life when you really can come to an adult understanding of the faith. Growing up, the faith can seem like a long list of ‘don’ts’ and some ‘do’s’, but as you finish school and find your way into what you will be in the world, there should be a lot of prayer involved, and time spent quietly before the Blessed Sacrament. Decisions done in the next 5 years can set a course for your lifetime. It can be a time where you can really mess things up!

One day, should you be married with a family, hard times will come. They do for everyone, and if you know how to walk hand in hand with the Living God, you wouldn’t settle for a life partner that doesn’t do this as well. Someone who knows how to go on his knees before the Throne of the Almighty and see the power of God come upon the people and situations that need change and grace. A man with a Rosary in his pocket knows how to draw down power and when there’s life and death, finances, illness, children, health, housing, and every other concern, that’s the kind of man you want as a husband. And that means being an amazing woman of faith yourself! Now’s the time to come into that. You are the temple of the Living God! Christ won that for you on the Cross. To date an atheist is telling God that these things really aren’t all that important, but they are, and it’s an awesome and frightful thing to walk with God every day! Come into your inheritance! It’s yours to have!
Generally I agree with this. But I know too many families, good Catholic families, where the husband cut and ran the first time trouble came. Just because a man “walks with the Lord,” doesn’t mean he won’t run to the devil.
 
Yes, I do believe marriage is very difficult.

And yes, my DH and I are very happy. But that is precisely because we founded our marriage on Christ knowing we cannot do it without him, and that we must always strive to sacrifice for the other and love them with Christ’s love-- even on days we don’t particularly feel like it.

Secular marriages, on the whole, have an entirely different approach. You don’t have to read posts on here for long to see that sacrificial love is in the minority.
I’m glad to learn that my perception of your happy marriage was correct.

As I am married to a non-believer, I’m sure you would (correctly) label my marriage as "secular."Still, my husband and I are extremely happy. Maybe I was just lucky to find such a compatible guy, but I really don’t feel that I have to sacrifice on a day-to-day basis. Sure, we’ve had to deal with some trying circumstances. Family illness, financial rough spots (especially when his business was just getting off the ground), military deployments, etc. But through it all we’ve always tried to put the other person first…an “approach” that has worked for us. As I have indicated before, I would not trade my DH or our circumstances for any other.

So, maybe there is more than one road to a happy marriage.
 
Generally I agree with this. But I know too many families, good Catholic families, where the husband cut and ran the first time trouble came. Just because a man “walks with the Lord,” doesn’t mean he won’t run to the devil.
If gold rusts, what will iron do?
I can name Catholic men from good Catholic families that the wife left (not Catholic) when trouble came, and children were involved. It only shows that we are weak and that without God’s strength, how can we succeed? All the more should we look for a Catholic spouse who walks with God and to pray* for him daily* until we meet him. That he walk closely with God, and remain in His will. We are all weak and attracted to sin. We can all be a train wreck to ourselves and our families, and it should humble us.
 
If gold rusts, what will iron do?
I can name Catholic men from good Catholic families that the wife left (not Catholic) when trouble came, and children were involved. It only shows that we are weak and that without God’s strength, how can we succeed? All the more should we look for a Catholic spouse who walks with God and to pray* for him daily* until we meet him. That he walk closely with God, and remain in His will. We are all weak and attracted to sin. We can all be a train wreck to ourselves and our families, and it should humble us.
Be careful about comparing some poster’s spouses to gold and others to iron. Did you read what maryjk wrote? Her husband sounds about as golden as it gets.
 
I dated a non-Catholic, my best friend and one of the best men I’ve ever met, and my intolerance and arrogance toward him and his beliefs, not the other way around, was what broke us apart. Being “unequally yoked” can be immensely difficult, but it really depends on each relationship, and it definitely depends on you. By no means would I advise you to leave your boyfriend because he is an atheist. Do not work to actively convert him by force. Instead, serve as a great example of Catholicism. Show him how much joy and comfort your religion brings you and how wonderful it is to feel God’s love. Most importantly, treat him with the utmost Christian charity and patience. Remember the Golden Rule. In general and particularly when arguing, if you have nothing nice to say, pause. Reconsider. Maybe say a silent prayer. Consider his best qualities. Remember why you became friends and started dating. Look at him as a precious child of God. It is hard to maintain your rage and even harder to say hateful things when you follow those steps. Right now, only a couple months in, fierce arguments probably seem very far away, but all relationships have rocky periods, and you ought to be prepared for them. Adopt a very loving and patient attitude now, and you can possibly avoid a lot of those fights. Do not assume that he knows the Church’s position on anything, and certainly not that he understands it. Have these conversations early on, and, as other posters recommended, be sure that he’d agree to follow Catholic teaching in your marriage (and now, as you date). However, be very loving and kind. Do not preach and do not condescend. Listen to his beliefs and take them very seriously. Understand his morality and how it developed. Respect these things, even though you disagree. Please, please, please do not be like me and present a holier-than-thou, take-it-or-leave-it, haughty attitude. By no means compromise your beliefs, but be sure to understand and respect his, too, and to be very grateful for his compromises.

One assumption I made in my relationship was that the Church’s position (on everything) was so OBVIOUSLY right that even non-Catholics could see that, and my boyfriend was just being stubborn by not conceding. I did not really acknowledge that he could have his own serious moral disagreements with MY beliefs. For instance, our issues all stemmed from disagreements over sex. I was demeaning and arrogant, implying that his attitude toward the issue must’ve stemmed from an almost-perverted weakness but that he knew that the Church was right and he just needed to give in. That was intolerant, unloving, unkind, and unfair. He did not “know” that the Church’s teaching is “right” and has several very sincere disagreements. I just never bothered to listen, let alone try to understand, until it was too late. Had I, though I was not going to compromise my Catholic beliefs, we could’ve worked through issues rather than butting heads over the same problems again and again and AGAIN until we were so dizzy, frustrated, and sick that we both became resentful and weary and he walked away. I was totally ungrateful the entire time, even though he was making very big compromises and sacrifices for me. Strive to always understand and love your boyfriend.

It is such a blessing to hear such wonderful stories from other posters about their amazing Catholic-nonbeliever marriages!!! Kudos to you guys, and thank you for sharing!!! But as has been cautioned, OP, do not expect your boyfriend to convert. You must be willing to spend your life and raise your children with an atheist. Again, be prepared for the challenges of being “unequally yoked,” but there is no need to flee them. Atheists can make wonderful husbands and fathers just as Catholics can make horrendous ones. And though you must be cautious so that you do not compromise too much and lose your faith, I actually think that dating a non-Catholic can be quite spiritually beneficial. Certainly, for him, you can possibly bring him to the Faith (and all your prayers and sacrifices for him may be working wonders that you just cannot see but are helping him greatly), and being with you will necessitate living, in many ways, according to Catholic standards. As for you, you will need to explain your religion to him. Conclusions that you’ve always thought perfectly natural may be positively incredible to him. You’ll need to increase your Faith and your understanding of it. This can be difficult, but it is an amazing opportunity to become a much stronger Catholic.

And do not listen when others tell you that you are being a bad Catholic by dating outside of the Faith. Helpful cautions are one thing, condemnations of you quite another. There are so many examples of saints who married non-believers and/or very sinful people, and great things came of these relationships. They could’ve refused to enter into those marriages. Maybe some would’ve even become martyrs over that. But many holy women thought that marrying those unholy men was quite in line with God’s will. St. Margaret was a calming, civilised influence on her husband, Malcolm, and by marrying him, she not only played a role in his salvation, but was able to enact reforms as Queen of Scotland but also bear and raise eight good, Catholic children. Her son, King David I, has quite a reputation as a pious, just ruler. Had Saint Monica not married the pagan Patricius, not only would he likely be condemned to Hell, the great Saint Augustine would not exist! And Saint Rita’s prayers and holy witness brought about the salvation of her husband and sons, and she also managed to resolve the long, bloody feud between her husband’s family, the Mancinis, and the rival Chiquis. Obviously, those are extreme examples, but I just wanted to show that great good can come of such a union. Do not despair. Concentrate on prayer and love. Relax. Have faith. God will provide! 🙂
 
Oh!!! I forgot to mention Elisabeth Leseur! Amazing woman! She married an anti-clerical atheist. He kept her immersed in a materialistic, secular world, so she turned inward. You can buy her works - they’re even available as a Kindle book! She writes beautifully about her inner devotion for the Church and her deep love for and patience toward her husband, much as his attitude hurt her. She prayed for him and offered up all her sufferings for his reversion to Catholicism. Upon her death, Dr. Leseur read her diary and was deeply moved - to the point of becoming a priest! He pushed for her cause for canonisation, which is now underway, published her writings, and influenced the great Fulton Sheen in a religious retreat. Later, Sheen often spoke of Elisabeth’s heroic piety and patience. I’m reading her works now. So inspirational!

I hope I helped a bit… Best wishes for you and your boyfriend. He sounds like a great guy. 🙂 God Bless! You both have my prayers!!!
 
I just don’t think anyone, especially someone only 18 years old, can fully grasp the impact of having an atheist or agnostic as a spouse. It’s all well and good to say these things, but once children arrive, the game changes completely. Now you have a new generation that needs influence and guidance. My non-believing spouse holds resentments because it’s my beliefs that have been transferred to our sons. Of course he cooperated as they grew up, which was a blessing. He could have been much worse to deal with. But they still have a huge void - they have not been raised by a Catholic father. As far as they know, their father is a Catholic. However, he has never prayed with them, never read the Bible with them, never approached one problem or even one triumph as a Catholic father would. They do not have that experience to fall back upon. Right now, they don’t know that it is a problem. Or at least, I don’t think that they do. Over time, they may realize what they’ve missed out on.

One just cannot imagine how lonely it is not being able to share one’s deepest aspects with one’s spouse.

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