Dating as a Catholic in a secular world

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I was 61 when I met a widower. He had been very happily married for 40 years, when his wife died. Although he was self sufficient in being able to look after himself (not looking for a housekeeper), he missed the company and friendship of a wife, and he also missed having someone to love.

He knows about fidelity (40 years of never looking at another woman). He is supportive, loyal, and, because we are of the same generation and background, we are very compatible.

I know he will never forget his wife, nor stop grieving for her in his way, but then I don’t want him to. I am grateful to this wonderful woman for ‘raising’ such a wonderful husband for me!

So, my advice is to look for a widower who was happily married.
 
Being that I am never married I prefer that myself but would possibly consider a widower. However it would have to depend on his age and all of that because I really wouldn’t feel comfortable being the second wife in most cases.

Bataar, you sound like a great guy and many women would be thrilled to date a guy like you. I like men without experience.
 
Since I am perpetually single, that places me among the undivorced.

Also, I am among the undated. Maybe dendrochronology could date me.

Dating by capture might be my only remaining option, though a dangerous practice.

So the temptations of dating elude me.

You can’t have everything.
 
What is discouraging is that the Church focus so much on marriage and the family, but when there are no well-adjusted, available, practicing Catholics in your area, what are you supposed to do if you are looking to have a valid sacramental marriage?
 
That is so true.I called my local diocese to ask if they would consider starting a singles group for older singles and the guy told me the problem with that is the older singles may not come. I’m not sure about that because I have met a lot of older singles and many were never married and they want to meet someone. Many of them did online and it was a bust and tried meeting people locally but that failed.
 
I wouldn’t be so closed to the idea of marrying someone who already has children. I hope you realize that people with children in or out of wedlock are not damaged goods…so long as they’ve had the necessary repairs (i.e., Confession).

I married a woman with a child, and I love them both dearly. It was the second best decision I’ve ever made!
 
I wouldn’t be so closed to the idea of marrying someone who already has children. I hope you realize that people with children in or out of wedlock are not damaged goods…so long as they’ve had the necessary repairs (i.e., Confession).

I married a woman with a child, and I love them both dearly. It was the second best decision I’ve ever made!
I never said they were damaged goods but I don’t want either the drama or financial aspects, not to mention that I want to marry in church.

As it turns out I am going out next week with the man I mentioned in my first post and he fits what I desire.
 
What is discouraging is that the Church focus so much on marriage and the family, but when there are no well-adjusted, available, practicing Catholics in your area, what are you supposed to do if you are looking to have a valid sacramental marriage?
I’ve been saying this for years but all either say I’m wrong or just being difficult. With the ever growing single and never married population that the church seems to be completely ignoring I feel the church is shooting herself in the foot by pretending singles don’t exist and then they wonder way people fall away from the church??? No singles activites unless you’re under 25??? No fellowship?? No one to great you at mass?? No programs for never married or annulled singles who can validly marry then they wonder why many end up living with someone or in a relationship that wouldn’t be considered valid in the church…oh well.
 
I know the feeling. I’m a 34 year old, never married, never even dated anyone guy. I’ve pretty much settled on the fact that I’ll be alone.
Why I can tell you as a guy the numbers are in your favor there are more ladies looking for a relationship than guys. If you really want a relationship take the risk and put yourself out get involved in your church or a catholic organization where you can meet people.
 
Lots of important questions and ideas in this thread.

To the OP, my feeling (take it for what it’s worth) is that you’re closing yourself off to some potentially great men. I understand wanting someone who is able to have a valid sacramental marriage. That’s a moral and faith issue. But to shut yourself off to the idea of anyone with an ex-wife or anyone with children is to rule out 99% of the population. If you define a good man down that narrowly, of course there are no good men.

For myself, I would love to marry a wonderful Catholic man someday, someone who is strong in his faith and shares my values. Yet, I currently go out to dinner and plays frequently with a male friend who practices some cobbled together semi-self-created form of what he says is closest to Shinto-ism. He has lived a very un-Catholic lifestyle, to say the least.

The question is: what is marriage about? According to our Catholic faith, the purpose of marriage is to help one another grow in faith and get to heaven.

I can say that my ‘Catholic’ husband and my ‘Catholic’ parents and sister have done little to help me grow in faith or to encourage me. They have more often torn down my trust in God, torn me down as a person, destroyed my sense of worth, and at the very worst, XH’s lies had me literally fearing I was going crazy, unable to trust my own senses, staring at things, hearing things, and wondering if they were even true. (Look up gaslighting–it’s what he was doing.)

This man, by contrast, has encouraged me repeatedly and consistently to live my faith. He reminds me I’ll find peace in the Adoration Chapel. I have at times gone more often as a direct result of knowing he’d remind me of that and encourage me to. He reminds me that faith is a challenge even to the great saints, and when I’m frustrated with the seeming continued attacks coming at me, reminds me faith is not about being handed an easy life. Yesterday when I was feeling like turning from my faith, one of his reactions was to check if I’d taken off the crucifix I always wear. Despite his own past and even his current feelings about sex, he has committed to doing nothing with me that would be against Catholic teaching or disturb my conscience. I have become a better, stronger person, better able to live my faith, as a result of being with him. His profound and many kindnesses have given me healing and helped me grow in forgiveness toward and compassion for my mother–thus he’s directly helped me grow in Christian virtues.

In turn, he has done a great deal of changing and growing; he has returned to daily prayer and is reading a Christian apologist, not because I asked him to, but simply because we went to see a play that got him interested in this particular author. He has changed his lifestyle dramatically–a decision he made on his own–as a result of being with me and being influenced by me in turn.

I do still feel that the ideal is sharing a faith, and yet my experience tells me that marrying a ‘good Catholic’ is no guarantee of having a good marriage that lifts both people up and brings them closer to God. Given a choice, I would take the person who brings me closer to God, and that won’t always be the Catholic. I wish all Catholics were that good and holy, but sadly, it just isn’t true.
 
I don’t care if I bypass some supposedly good men because they have kids or an ex-wife, I am firm in my beliefs and simply will not marry someone who can’t marry in church. end of story. I firmly believe that people should stick together for the kids in most cases (excepting abuse or infidelity)and I am not interested in marrying someone who not only can’t marry in church but in fact has serious issues that will affect my life. This guy I am going to go out with yes has issues but doesn’t have the other issues that to me are un bendable.
 
Lots of important questions and ideas in this thread.

To the OP, my feeling (take it for what it’s worth) is that you’re closing yourself off to some potentially great men. I understand wanting someone who is able to have a valid sacramental marriage. That’s a moral and faith issue. But to shut yourself off to the idea of anyone with an ex-wife or anyone with children is to rule out 99% of the population. If you define a good man down that narrowly, of course there are no good men.
Amen. And I’m not entirely sure why someone wouldn’t want to marry, say, a widower. I’m sure there are plenty of those who can have valid sacramental marriages, and some of them may have learned a thing or two about being good husbands from their first marriage. 👍
For myself, I would love to marry a wonderful Catholic man someday, someone who is strong in his faith and shares my values. Yet, I currently go out to dinner and plays frequently with a male friend who practices some cobbled together semi-self-created form of what he says is closest to Shinto-ism. He has lived a very un-Catholic lifestyle, to say the least.

The question is: what is marriage about? According to our Catholic faith, the purpose of marriage is to help one another grow in faith and get to heaven.

I do still feel that the ideal is sharing a faith, and yet my experience tells me that marrying a ‘good Catholic’ is no guarantee of having a good marriage that lifts both people up and brings them closer to God. Given a choice, I would take the person who brings me closer to God, and that won’t always be the Catholic. I wish all Catholics were that good and holy, but sadly, it just isn’t true.
I’m glad you’ve found a friend who supports your faith. So far I haven’t managed to find someone (outside of my family) who does that. I agree that marrying a “good Catholic” is no guarantee. You still have to pay attention and try to discern God’s will. I’ve come across some pretty rigid and cruel “good Catholics.” 😦
 
I don’t care if I bypass some **supposedly **good men…
I’ve tried several times this evening to think how to word this…highlighted a few of your quotes, etc., but I think this one sums up what gives me that feeling: that you seem to feel that only those who meet the criteria on your list are ‘good’ or ‘worthy.’ There’s truly nothing wrong with having criteria. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to marry according to your beliefs (which would be the sacramental marriage part of it) or even according to your preferences (which is what the children and ex-wife issue is).

But you seem to feel there are no good men out there, when the truth is, there are few men who fit your criteria. It seems you’re blaming society (and it’s partly true) instead of coming to peace with the idea that if you put ‘no children/ no ex-wife’ on the list you rule out the vast majority of men. It doesn’t make them bad men. It doesn’t make you bad for seeing the benefits in no children or ex-wife and wanting that. But it seems unfair to call so many men out there unworthy or ‘supposedly good.’
 
I’ve tried several times this evening to think how to word this…highlighted a few of your quotes, etc., but I think this one sums up what gives me that feeling: that you seem to feel that only those who meet the criteria on your list are ‘good’ or ‘worthy.’ There’s truly nothing wrong with having criteria. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to marry according to your beliefs (which would be the sacramental marriage part of it) or even according to your preferences (which is what the children and ex-wife issue is).

But you seem to feel there are no good men out there, when the truth is, there are few men who fit your criteria. It seems you’re blaming society (and it’s partly true) instead of coming to peace with the idea that if you put ‘no children/ no ex-wife’ on the list you rule out the vast majority of men. It doesn’t make them bad men. It doesn’t make you bad for seeing the benefits in no children or ex-wife and wanting that. But it seems unfair to call so many men out there unworthy or ‘supposedly good.’
Because the fact is many of these men broke their marriage vows. Sure some are great guys but not all divorced dads are so great. Society tells people that it’s better to consider a divorced parent over a never married person because “if they are single there’s something wrong”. Instead I state it as the fact that there might be something wrong with them because they are divorced. I understand divorced because of abuse or infidelity but many reasons aren’t legit. That’s not the issue though, the issue is no I will not marry a man who can’t marry in church. Otherwise in my heart the marriage is invalid and religion is very important to me. Yes, if it comes down to never marrying or marrying someone ineligible to marry in church I will pick never marrying. I don’t want to be a stepmother to be blunt if there is a mother in the picture. Yes I do blame society because we have a disposable society where people get bored with their marriage or divorce because the spouse got fat or many other silly reasons. Someone like these people no aren’t marriage worthy because they will do it again. Incidentally I have dated a few divorced men both with and without children and very few got divorced for valid reasons. A couple divorced because they were cheated on (a legit reason)but so many just got bored of the marriage. Doesn’t mean I am not friends with them, but they just can’t be legit marriage partners.

Like I said I found a man who does fit what I desire so yes these men are out there. Why is he single? because he is very shy mostly.

I am not judging people for divorce but no in most cases am not open to someone who is divorced with kids or divorced no kids but without an annulment. The marriage ceremony is important to me.
 
Because the fact is many of these men broke their marriage vows. Sure some are great guys but not all divorced dads are so great. Society tells people that it’s better to consider a divorced parent over a never married person because “if they are single there’s something wrong”. Instead I state it as the fact that there might be something wrong with them because they are divorced. I understand divorced because of abuse or infidelity but many reasons aren’t legit. That’s not the issue though, the issue is no I will not marry a man who can’t marry in church. Otherwise in my heart the marriage is invalid and religion is very important to me. Yes, if it comes down to never marrying or marrying someone ineligible to marry in church I will pick never marrying. I don’t want to be a stepmother to be blunt if there is a mother in the picture. Yes I do blame society because we have a disposable society where people get bored with their marriage or divorce because the spouse got fat or many other silly reasons. Someone like these people no aren’t marriage worthy because they will do it again. Incidentally I have dated a few divorced men both with and without children and very few got divorced for valid reasons. A couple divorced because they were cheated on (a legit reason)but so many just got bored of the marriage. Doesn’t mean I am not friends with them, but they just can’t be legit marriage partners.

Like I said I found a man who does fit what I desire so yes these men are out there. Why is he single? because he is very shy mostly.

I am not judging people for divorce but no in most cases am not open to someone who is divorced with kids or divorced no kids but without an annulment. The marriage ceremony is important to me.
I feel the same OP. Stiick to your guns you would only be unhappy if you didn’t and settled for someone you didn’t feel in you heart you could validly marry. I wouldn’t mind being a stepmom myself so as long the marriage was annulled I could deal with an ex and kids but I couldn’t get involved again with someone who wasn’t free to marry in the church I would feel like my soul was at risk no relationship is worth that. Good luck.
 
For me, dealing with an ex is something I had a very hard time with. A guy I dated had kids and an ex-wife and it was not a happy breakup by any means. His ex was basically a psycho who kept asking for more money and he was always broke because he had to pay for more and more. He eventually did remarry and his ex went after him for more money and got it. He wasn’t Catholic anyway (he was an atheist)so we weren’t likely going to marry but I knew it was more than I could handle. Luckily this new guy isn’t in this situation.
 
I never said they were damaged goods but I don’t want either the drama or financial aspects, not to mention that I want to marry in church.

As it turns out I am going out next week with the man I mentioned in my first post and he fits what I desire.
One party having a child (even an out of wedlock one) is not necessarily an impediment to having a Catholic wedding. I married a Catholic man who had had an out of wedlock child and it was not an issue for our priest. That’s not to say your concerns aren’t valid, but don’t be under the false impression that both parties are required to be childless to have a Catholic wedding.

I hope the date turns out well for you!
 
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