Dating/courtship

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Haha.

Yeah… um… I know plenty of people with perfectly lovely marriages who weren’t friends first.

Friends first is the ideal, I’m sure, but there are no hard and fast rules when it comes to these things. We have to be open to what comes and to what God is telling us instead of putting things in a neat little box and refusing anything that doesn’t fit in the box. 🤷

Just my two cents.
I totally agree. Our worldly rules have no place in God’s will. If he wants you to fall hard and fast for the girl you are bound to marry- you damn well better fall hard and fast then. 😉

We cannot ever know what God has in store for us.

God bless,
Joshua
 
Just don’t mistake lust for love. I made that mistake long…long ago.
 
I’m sticking to my guns about the friends first thing-becasue that’s why Jason Evert from Chastity.com recomends…
Actually, I’ve read almost everything that’s out there on his website and I can’t find anything to that effect, except for this one, which is a little vague. 😉 He primarily writes that at the age of late teens one should rather explore the world and find out more about himself than get into a relationship in which he or she would “die for the other”, as he put it. He also makes a point that solid friendships going back to highschool last longer than highschool romance. 😉

The reason I bring this up is that people in general and, I suppose, especially men in particular, aren’t made to switch their attraction back and forth according to someone else’s plan. They can get over their feelings (eventually, and rather for good, without a perfect come-back to an earlier point), and they can respect someone else’s boundaries, but they can’t really sweep romantic love under the carpet when the other demands them to be friends and friends only (at least if personal contact is frequent), nor can they really rekindle a love that has been hushed. And, to me, to kill romance in order later to marry the same person as a marriage of convenience, sounds like madness. This even though, as I said, I’m a big fan of friendship (first and foremost) between romantically interested couples (and I also agree that teenagers should be focusing on school primarily, as I eventually did, which was good for me, and focusing too much on a girl when I was in actually early teens had hurt my education a lot).

Finally, allow me to reiterate that removing romance from the early stage of getting to know someone interesting (I’m talking about 0% romance here, not 90% friendship and 10% romance, which is a very good proportion as far as I go) is prone to snatching. That is, anybody industrious enough can snatch the man or woman you’re interested in. The same man or woman might even have skipped that opportunity if you had let your interest be known. I’m not saying this is an all-trumping argument but I believe it needs to be given some thought.
 
Haha.

Yeah… um… I know plenty of people with perfectly lovely marriages who weren’t friends first.

Friends first is the ideal, I’m sure, but there are no hard and fast rules when it comes to these things. We have to be open to what comes and to what God is telling us instead of putting things in a neat little box and refusing anything that doesn’t fit in the box. 🤷

Just my two cents.
Amen to that. With love there are no rules.
I personally couldn’t imagine dating someone who I was friends with first…and then ruin our frienship? No thanks. Plus if I put a man in the ‘friend category’ in the first place it was for a reason–I wasn’t attracted to him. But thats just me. 🤷
 
Amen to that. With love there are no rules.
I personally couldn’t imagine dating someone who I was friends with first…and then ruin our frienship? No thanks. Plus if I put a man in the ‘friend category’ in the first place it was for a reason–I wasn’t attracted to him. But thats just me. 🤷
You and most other women, I believe. Including those that talk a lot about being friends first. 😉

Take this from a man who probably knows more about getting friend-zoned than any five posters from this thread. 😛

(This said, women do change their minds, their friend-zoning isn’t as set in stone as they think. I’ve defeated it once (or twice, depending on the forensics) and my sister is currently in a relationship with a “friend” like that, which I had predicted.)
 
You and most other women, I believe. Including those that talk a lot about being friends first. 😉

Take this from a man who probably knows more about getting friend-zoned than any five posters from this thread. 😛

(This said, women do change their minds, their friend-zoning isn’t as set in stone as they think. I’ve defeated it once (or twice, depending on the forensics) and my sister is currently in a relationship with a “friend” like that, which I had predicted.)
I can agree to that. Nothing is really set in stone. I guess (for me), when I make up my mind about something there is no going back. By then I have moved on and don’t give it a second thought. Then again, I’m that way about everything. :rotfl:

I can see how the friend thing can blossom on some occassions, though. You get really comfortable being friends, just say anything and act like yourself–which can then lead to love I suppose? Love is just love. I can’t understand how and why it works the way it does.
 
I can agree to that. Nothing is really set in stone. I guess (for me), when I make up my mind about something there is no going back. By then I have moved on and don’t give it a second thought. Then again, I’m that way about everything. :rotfl:
Oh yeah, that’s why my sister had also said. 😉 Excuse me while I gamely hide my lack of complete confidence in what you’re saying! :p:D
I can see how the friend thing can blossom on some occassions, though. You get really comfortable being friends, just say anything and act like yourself–which can then lead to love I suppose? Love is just love. I can’t understand how and why it works the way it does.
We lawyers call it usucaption. If you sit on a property for long enough, even in bad faith, you eventually gain good title. 😉
 
I’m confused… so what should I do???
Jason, first of all live your vocation and your life to the fullest. This does not only include being married or ordained or neither (or even both, as does happen), it includes finding your place in life or rather in the plan of creation. You can’t read God’s will with a crystal ball but you can improve your understanding with prayer. The most important relationship you have is that with God. The rest may be important but is less important. And don’t think your life is less worth living if you don’t have a woman to share it with. Make the most of it. Not for yourself, for God and for other people. You will still have won at the end of the race.
 
Yeah, but I’m not sure what my voation is…

I’m 34. but I’ve never dated at all… right now I’m in RCIA to recieve my sacrament of Confirmation…
 
Yeah, but I’m not sure what my voation is…

I’m 34. but I’ve never dated at all… right now I’m in RCIA to recieve my sacrament of Confirmation…
That you’ve never dated means nothing. I’ve made sure I’ve never or almost never dated (mostly by avoiding the word “date”), doesn’t mean I’ve ever stopped feeling like snatching some princess from a realm far away, ever since I was a toddler. Dating is a broken concept anyway.

As for any priestly or religious vocation, perhaps RCIA would be a good opportunity to ask about that since you have access to qualified people right now, I suppose.

Good luck and welcome home.
 
Dating is a broken concept anyway.
I don’t want to get too off-topic, but can you elaborate a little? Synopsis prz, not thesis <3. I suppose my first question is whether my definition of dating is the same is yours… anyway, I’ll just let you explain. 🙂
 
I don’t want to get too off-topic, but can you elaborate a little? Synopsis prz, not thesis <3. I suppose my first question is whether my definition of dating is the same is yours… anyway, I’ll just let you explain. 🙂
Dating does not allow for normal getting to know, which is possible when you spend time with someone at work or in long conversations or while managing business or whatever. This all the more when you’re expected to make your decision regarding your “relationship status” by the third date (with a heretefore complete stranger to boot). You probably wouldn’t begin to trust an insurance dealer within such a timeframe. The product is people not knowing each other much when they marry.

At the same time dating, while more on the formal side than casual hooking up, does not really respect good old manners all that much. It establishes a low-level, nascent romantic relationship between two strangers. When you ask someone for a date, the word “date” conveys the dinner and movie and some kissing thereafter unless things go bad. That sits ill with me, I cannot accept the idea of conveying such a suggestion to a stranger (it feels irreverent). Call me a wet blanket. I generally believe that dating is insufficient in its respect for women. At any rate, it fails to provide a solid structure with a moral highground, it just enjoys some respect due to its longevity, reaching back to the fifties, which gives six decades of tradition.

Finally, there’s the whole deal with exclusive vs non-exclusive dating, wherein “exclusive dating” often means two mid-teens acting like married, and “non-exclusive dating” tends to mean kissing a different boy or girl every day of the week, sometimes actually openly having two boyfriends or girlfriends (whether also in name or not). A healthy ground in between is something I’d love to see but don’t often. At least not in CAF threads (more so in real life, though).

Make no mistake, I’m no big fan of Victorian reconstruction either (good morals is one thing, good manners is another, resurrecting a dead bourgeois lifestyle from a past historical period is a completely different cup of tea). I believe people fail to appreciate polite social exchange as between a lady and a gentleman (which does not need to hurry to affirm or disavow any potential future romantic twitterpations from the very get-go). Just meeting people respectfully and talking, without enacting any sort of a script and without an artificial framework of milestones sounds like a better idea to me.

Apologies for the tongue-in-cheek language if anyone feels offended. I probably should edit it out.
 
Dating does not allow for normal getting to know, which is possible when you spend time with someone at work or in long conversations or while managing business or whatever. This all the more when you’re expected to make your decision regarding your “relationship status” by the third date (with a heretefore complete stranger to boot). You probably wouldn’t begin to trust an insurance dealer within such a timeframe. The product is people not knowing each other much when they marry.

At the same time dating, while more on the formal side than casual hooking up, does not really respect good old manners all that much. It establishes a low-level, nascent romantic relationship between two strangers. When you ask someone for a date, the word “date” conveys the dinner and movie and some kissing thereafter unless things go bad. That sits ill with me, I cannot accept the idea of conveying such a suggestion to a stranger (it feels irreverent). Call me a wet blanket. I generally believe that dating is insufficient in its respect for women. At any rate, it fails to provide a solid structure with a moral highground, it just enjoys some respect due to its longevity, reaching back to the fifties, which gives six decades of tradition.

Finally, there’s the whole deal with exclusive vs non-exclusive dating, wherein “exclusive dating” often means two mid-teens acting like married, and “non-exclusive dating” tends to mean kissing a different boy or girl every day of the week, sometimes actually openly having two boyfriends or girlfriends (whether also in name or not). A healthy ground in between is something I’d love to see but don’t often. At least not in CAF threads (more so in real life, though).

Make no mistake, I’m no big fan of Victorian reconstruction either (good morals is one thing, good manners is another, resurrecting a dead bourgeois lifestyle from a past historical period is a completely different cup of tea). I believe people fail to appreciate polite social exchange as between a lady and a gentleman (which does not need to hurry to affirm or disavow any potential future romantic twitterpations from the very get-go). Just meeting people respectfully and talking, without enacting any sort of a script and without an artificial framework of milestones sounds like a better idea to me.

Apologies for the tongue-in-cheek language if anyone feels offended. I probably should edit it out.
Hmm, interesting. I use the term “dating” for what I do, but it doesn’t really resemble what you described as dating. However, I’m not engaging in what most would define as courtship either, so I’m not sure what you’d call it.

It’s semantics, but without more words to describe various methods, I’d just as soon say “dating isn’t bad, people are just doing it badly.”
 
Hmm, interesting. I use the term “dating” for what I do, but it doesn’t really resemble what you described as dating. However, I’m not engaging in what most would define as courtship either, so I’m not sure what you’d call it.

It’s semantics, but without more words to describe various methods, I’d just as soon say “dating isn’t bad, people are just doing it badly.”
It is semantics indeed. I use all forms of “date” as a verb when just talking. It’s when it gets to more precise conversation that I begin to have issues. The same issues I described above, so permit me not to repeat myself.

The way I do it, it looks like dating except I don’t use the word “date”, there’s none of the typical sexualised talk, there’s no expectation (let alone fruition) of any kissing in the moonlight as long as the movie isn’t bad, etc. Just simple one-on-one social exchange on gentlemanly/ladylike terms.
 
The way I do it, it looks like dating except I don’t use the word “date”, there’s none of the typical sexualised talk, there’s no expectation (let alone fruition) of any kissing in the moonlight as long as the movie isn’t bad, etc. Just simple one-on-one social exchange on gentlemanly/ladylike terms.
Ah. In that case, amen.
 
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I feel like dating is just going out to different places … like taking a car out for a test drive over and over and over again before actually wanting to buy it or returning it to the dealer with lots of miles and pieces missing.

Courtship is when both of the people in the relationship have an end goal… Marriage. They both know that they are called to the sacrament but don’t know if it will be the both of them. They choose to stay chaste and live in deep prayer within their relationship.
 
So I was wondering… other than catholic dating websites, how can we meet single catholics?

I’m thinking maybe at mass/adoration or at prayer groups at the parish or in the confession line maybe?

What do you all think?

btw-I’m 34 and never been married yet. and I’ve never dated either…

and I’m in RCIA to recieve the Sacrament of Confirmation…
I weave Catholicism or Catholic issues into conversations sometimes. Even in business situations. And yes, I fish in business situations too.
 
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