thanks to all for the responses! I hate dating but learning to get to the good of all relationship you must go through the initial awkward phase of a relationship. I tend to worry to much about, will she like this shirt or say the wrong thing, for those you happily married, you are blessed this is over!
Hey, there are worse things in dating than picking the shirt. I assure you they care about a dozen things more than what shirt you pick. For starters, if they’re traditionally minded girls, they probably mind how you wear it more than what colour it is (that is, properly tucked in, ironed etc) and even when it comes to clothes, shoes are probably more important to them (got to shine) because they supposedly say something about your solidity.
In fact, I always have the shirt perfectly matched and it hasn’t got me anywhere, so you can see how unimportant it is.
Dating is not a necessity. It’s a broken concept that was born say, hundred years ago, and is by no means a moral or ethical, much less a religious requirement. If you can go about it in a different way, do it. I do. I haven’t been on a date in the most semantically accurate sense in my whole life (I’ve used the very word “date” only jokingly and only a couple of times) and I’ve numbered a good number of failed relationship attempts by now.
You don’t need to fit into the dating custom. Ask her to join you in whatever you want to be doing with her, if she agrees and it’s moral, then it’s fine. I generally take them to long and boring walks or invite them to coffee bars for sorry addicts. Perhaps a different approach would work for you.
As for asking permission of the parents, I don’t like the implications. Adult people don’t need such permissions.
And by all means, if it’s moral and it doesn’t sound desperate to you, just say it and do it. Courage is the only necessary thing for victory sometimes. Be yourself and be bold. Only then will you find someone who actually likes you.