Dating someone with Bipolar?

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I have to add one thing that might or might not be useful. Two of our near circle have mental illness (one bipolar, one who-knows-what) and they both say that they are doing great! better than ever! no matter how badly things are going, objectively speaking (i.e. near-homelessness after getting kicked out of a group home). You can’t really depend on self-reporting in these cases, either with regard to current psychological state or whose fault the altercation they got into was. Of course, your new guy may actually be doing great, but I think he might say he was doing fine even if he wasn’t fine.

Best wishes!
 
This is off-topic, but the critters may not actually be in your attic. We thought the same thing for several years, but then I realized that the squirrels were actually holding disco parties on the roof itself, and the plywood sheets making up the roof (under the shingles) were acting like a drumhead and transmitting the vibrations into the beams that make up the structure of the house.
Yeah I took a good look a the attic yesterday and didn’t see anything. Yesterday morning I saw a squirrell prancing around so he may have been just on the roof. I still need to have those gaps closed. I’m on my 7th contractor they come out and give me and estimate then never show up the do the work. I have a a roofing company coming out today so fingers crossed.
 
I have to add one thing that might or might not be useful. Two of our near circle have mental illness (one bipolar, one who-knows-what) and they both say that they are doing great! better than ever! no matter how badly things are going, objectively speaking (i.e. near-homelessness after getting kicked out of a group home). You can’t really depend on self-reporting in these cases, either with regard to current psychological state or whose fault the altercation they got into was. Of course, your new guy may actually be doing great, but I think he might say he was doing fine even if he wasn’t fine.

Best wishes!
Yep that’s why I really need to talk with him and judge for myself it may just take time to really know. I haven’t heard from him so I may need to text him. I wouldn’t blame him for being put out that I he was ready to talk about all this other day and I just wasn’t.
 
Yep that’s why I really need to talk with him and judge for myself it may just take time to really know. I haven’t heard from him so I may need to text him. I wouldn’t blame him for being put out that I he was ready to talk about all this other day and I just wasn’t.
Decide that this will take time because it deserves to be given time and yet is at risk of being rushed. Do not accept that things need to happen on his timeline. If you’re going to have a relationship, he needs to respect your challenges and your timeline, too. That isn’t first nature for him, but he can do that. If his challenges always come first and yours get the back seat, after all, then you are setting up a child-parent or patient-caregiver situation. You will both want to avoid that.

As far as you know, he may be doing that by giving you time and trying to be as patient with you as he hopes you will be with him. Time off from texting you is not a bad sign…patience is a good thing!
 
Decide that this will take time because it deserves to be given time and yet is at risk of being rushed. Do not accept that things need to happen on his timeline. If you’re going to have a relationship, he needs to respect your challenges and your timeline, too. That isn’t first nature for him, but he can do that. If his challenges always come first and yours get the back seat, after all, then you are setting up a child-parent or patient-caregiver situation. You will both want to avoid that.

As far as you know, he may be doing that by giving you time and trying to be as patient with you as he hopes you will be with him. Time off from texting you is not a bad sign…patience is a good thing!
Totally off topic but as it’s my own thread and I mentioned the problem “Praise God” I found a contractor who was fixing my exterior house issues as I left him. That was a major stresser of mine. He also doesn’t think I have a roof leak but a condensation issue. He suggested a few things I will try and continue to monitor the problem. I didn’t hear critters this morning but will keep my guard of. With the gaps in sides of the roof closed up it would keep them out at least. As to the original issue still haven’t hear back may call him Saturday.
 
To anyone who wondered I did end up calling him but never heard back so I guess there’s my answer. 🤷
 
To anyone who wondered I did end up calling him but never heard back so I guess there’s my answer. 🤷
You might hear from him yet, but you may as well let it go, yes. This is going to be a roll-with-the-flow kind of relationship. Keep your center of gravity settled and see where the boat goes.

My husband thought I didn’t want anything to do with him when we first met, because he never heard from me. I’d written him a thank you note for a very nice time, but instead of sending it I lost it on my desk. I figured, ok, nice time, that was nothing serious, because I didn’t hear from him. About three months later, I called him to say, “hi, I’m going to have time off between when work ends and school starts, how’d you like to get together some time?”, and we figured out what happened. If he was hoping for someone super-organized, that was his first hint that I was not going to fit the bill, but he decided on me, anyway.

If time goes by and you find yourself wondering what he’s up to, give him another call and see.
 
You might hear from him yet, but you may as well let it go, yes. This is going to be a roll-with-the-flow kind of relationship. Keep your center of gravity settled and see where the boat goes.

My husband thought I didn’t want anything to do with him when we first met, because he never heard from me. I’d written him a thank you note for a very nice time, but instead of sending it I lost it on my desk. I figured, ok, nice time, that was nothing serious, because I didn’t hear from him. About three months later, I called him to say, “hi, I’m going to have time off between when work ends and school starts, how’d you like to get together some time?”, and we figured out what happened. If he was hoping for someone super-organized, that was his first hint that I was not going to fit the bill, but he decided on me, anyway.

If time goes by and you find yourself wondering what he’s up to, give him another call and see.
I’ve left it up to GOD. If he calls he calls otherwise I’m letting the whole thing go and moving on. I’m not one to hold on to things or wait around. I put my hand out and leave it at that if it’s meant to be it will be is sort of my outlook.
 
To anyone who wondered I did end up calling him but never heard back so I guess there’s my answer. 🤷
Well Luv I am not surprise at all. That is typical behavior of someone with bipolar disorder. Stuff like this is what I meant when I said you need to know what you are getting into. Is very likely he may re appear when you least expected and truth is this most likely will happen over and over. One day he may love you and one week after disappear with no logical explanation and not wanting anything to do with you. Personally I am not a fan of POP music but there is a song out there which I’ve always said describe a relationship with a bipolar person perfecto you: you are hit then you are cold, you are yes them you are no, you are in then you are out. He probably will come back when his mood changes, but again, you need to know what you are getting into before hand and be sure you can deal with it.
 
I’ve left it up to GOD. If he calls he calls otherwise I’m letting the whole thing go and moving on. I’m not one to hold on to things or wait around. I put my hand out and leave it at that if it’s meant to be it will be is sort of my outlook.
Sounds like a very sane way to live to me. 👍
 
Well Luv I am not surprise at all. That is typical behavior of someone with bipolar disorder. Stuff like this is what I meant when I said you need to know what you are getting into. Is very likely he may re appear when you least expected and truth is this most likely will happen over and over. One day he may love you and one week after disappear with no logical explanation and not wanting anything to do with you. Personally I am not a fan of POP music but there is a song out there which I’ve always said describe a relationship with a bipolar person perfecto you: you are hit then you are cold, you are yes them you are no, you are in then you are out. He probably will come back when his mood changes, but again, you need to know what you are getting into before hand and be sure you can deal with it.
Still, a dropped call-back or two is par for the course for the general population, too. (Not that the ADHD author who said that as a society we’re all “crazy busy” these days was all that far off the mark. :rolleyes:) Your point is well-taken–absolutely!!–but it also may not apply in this situation. Sometimes when people don’t call back, it isn’t their mental health issue talking. Sometimes, it is one of the same reasons for which anybody might have failed to call back.

People who have certain mental health issues in their repertoire appreciate it when those of us with a different playlist of issues remember that no one’s successes and failures all spring from the same “hit song.”
 
Still, a dropped call-back or two is par for the course for the general population, too. (Not that the ADHD author who said that as a society we’re all “crazy busy” these days was all that far off the mark. :rolleyes:) Your point is well-taken–absolutely!!–but it also may not apply in this situation. Sometimes when people don’t call back, it isn’t their mental health issue talking. Sometimes, it is one of the same reasons for which anybody might have failed to call back.

People who have certain mental health issues in their repertoire appreciate it when those of us with a different playlist of issues remember that no one’s successes and failures all spring from the same “hit song.”
I know that sometimes people don’t call and isn’t their mental issue but in this case we are talking about someone with a disease who makes him behave that way. I am not sure if you are realizing we are talking about a disease with very well defined symptoms. If you have chicken pox and you get an itchy blister, what are the odds that the itchy blister is not caused by the chicken pox? Sometimes people get itchy blister unrelated to chicken pox…but those people don’t have chicken pox. If you have chicken pox and you get an itchy blister you can be almost 100% sure the blister is produced by the chicken pox. Same situation here.
And yes no one failures spring from a song but I have very very close experience with bipolar disease and very well knowledge of it, and being in and out the next minute, saying yes one minute then no five minutes later, loving you one minute then hating you 15 minutes later, is a perfect description of the behavior of a bipolar person.
 
I know that sometimes people don’t call and isn’t their mental issue but in this case we are talking about someone with a disease who makes him behave that way. I am not sure if you are realizing we are talking about a disease with very well defined symptoms. If you have chicken pox and you get an itchy blister, what are the odds that the itchy blister is not caused by the chicken pox? Sometimes people get itchy blister unrelated to chicken pox…but those people don’t have chicken pox. If you have chicken pox and you get an itchy blister you can be almost 100% sure the blister is produced by the chicken pox. Same situation here.
And yes no one failures spring from a song but I have very very close experience with bipolar disease and very well knowledge of it, and being in and out the next minute, saying yes one minute then no five minutes later, loving you one minute then hating you 15 minutes later, is a perfect description of the behavior of a bipolar person.
I do realize that we’re talking about a disorder with well-defined symptoms. This is not the same situation as chicken pox, although I will tell you that when I got chicken pox as an 18 year old, when I first saw all the spots, my first reaction was to think that I had just become the victim of the worst acne break-out ever. Still, I kept getting zits, too, just like everybody else. Not every one of my skin blemishes could be put on the plate of varicella zoster!

What I mean is that when you have ADD or ADHD, you get really sick of people treating you as if a) you are incapable of ever getting your act together and b) every time you drop the ball, it is some inevitable effect of your “disorder”, as if they never get distracted or disorganized themselves or as if you never drop the ball for the same reasons they do.

Finally, what people with un-attended bipolar disorder do on a routine basis is not the routine for people who attend to how their mental challenges can affect themselves and those around them. Yes, the person who starts a relationship with someone in this category had better realize that their beloved is never going to entirely stop dropping the ball in the way that people with bipolar issues tend to do, and count the cost. Still, if they’re going to go in and interpret everything the person does as “oh, well, I’m not surprised at all, it’s not as if *people like you *can be expected to do better”, then that isn’t going to work, either. The boundaries we are each pointing out marks out a narrow path, and not one that is easy to travel, this is true. I have no quarrel with you on that one!

I think we’re on the same page. If she’s going to see him as Mr. Bipolar, whose every act can be attributed to Being Bipolar, that isn’t going to work. He can’t live that way. If she’s going to see him as Mr. Exceptional, for whom none of the rules apply because of his special situation, leaving everyone else to make up the difference, *that *is not going to work, either. She can’t live like that, and they will have no friends. But as you point out, if she’s going to see him as some version of Mr. Typical who is no more likely to make certain mistakes or to have certain dysfunctional behavior patterns than anyone else, then she’d better bail right now. He is going to have some swings in his life, that is all there is to it.

He is none one of those–not Mr. Bipolar, not Mr. Exceptional, and not Mr. Typical–he knows that*, and if he is to marry, he needs a spouse who gets that. (*If he does not know that, the whole enterprise is sunk before it leaves port…)
 
I do realize that we’re talking about a disorder with well-defined symptoms. This is not the same situation as chicken pox, although I will tell you that when I got chicken pox as an 18 year old, when I first saw all the spots, my first reaction was to think that I had just become the victim of the worst acne break-out ever. Still, I kept getting zits, too, just like everybody else. Not every one of my skin blemishes could be put on the plate of varicella zoster!

What I mean is that when you have ADD or ADHD, you get really sick of people treating you as if a) you are incapable of ever getting your act together and b) every time you drop the ball, it is some inevitable effect of your “disorder”, as if they never get distracted or disorganized themselves or as if you never drop the ball for the same reasons they do.

Finally, what people with un-attended bipolar disorder do on a routine basis is not the routine for people who attend to how their mental challenges can affect themselves and those around them. Yes, the person who starts a relationship with someone in this category had better realize that their beloved is never going to entirely stop dropping the ball in the way that people with bipolar issues tend to do, and count the cost. Still, if they’re going to go in and interpret everything the person does as “oh, well, I’m not surprised at all, it’s not as if *people like you *can be expected to do better”, then that isn’t going to work, either. The boundaries we are each pointing out marks out a narrow path, and not one that is easy to travel, this is true. I have no quarrel with you on that one!

I think we’re on the same page. If she’s going to see him as Mr. Bipolar, whose every act can be attributed to Being Bipolar, that isn’t going to work. He can’t live that way. If she’s going to see him as Mr. Exceptional, for whom none of the rules apply because of his special situation, leaving everyone else to make up the difference, *that *is not going to work, either. She can’t live like that, and they will have no friends. But as you point out, if she’s going to see him as some version of Mr. Typical who is no more likely to make certain mistakes or to have certain dysfunctional behavior patterns than anyone else, then she’d better bail right now. He is going to have some swings in his life, that is all there is to it.

He is none one of those–not Mr. Bipolar, not Mr. Exceptional, and not Mr. Typical–he knows that*, and if he is to marry, he needs a spouse who gets that. (*If he does not know that, the whole enterprise is sunk before it leaves port…)
Yes I do think we are on the same page on that she needs to have a realistic view of what entails to be in a relationship with someone like him. What you say in your fourth paragraph is totally true. If he wants to get married he needs to seek a spouse who goes into marriage not only completely aware of how it is going to be but willing to do the sacrifice, because as you very well said the whole enterprise is sunk before it leaves port. When I used to go to meetings of spouses of bi-polar patients the #1 statement repeated over by over by everyone was “I didn’t know into what I was getting to” and that is what I want to make the OP aware of as I would fear that she may end up as everyone else at the meetings.

Where I tend to disagree is on the view that it is a disorder. While I do agree with what you say about ADD or ADHD, both of those are disorders. Bipolar is not, it is a disease and a comparison to a disorder gives it an unrealistic view. If she thinks somehow that there may be a similarity between ADD and bipolar she is going to crash against I wall. I did crash into a wall, my late ex husband was supposed to be under medical treatment, according to all psychiatrist he was “controlled” and he was a “good case” and I was listening saying “are you suggesting to me that he is controlled ?!?!?!?!” So that is why I wouldn’t want Luv to have the same unrealistic expectation I had.
 
Is she the woman someone who would horvishly tempt you into false positives? (Horve is someone I like to know).
 
Yes I do think we are on the same page on that she needs to have a realistic view of what entails to be in a relationship with someone like him. What you say in your fourth paragraph is totally true. If he wants to get married he needs to seek a spouse who goes into marriage not only completely aware of how it is going to be but willing to do the sacrifice, because as you very well said the whole enterprise is sunk before it leaves port. When I used to go to meetings of spouses of bi-polar patients the #1 statement repeated over by over by everyone was “I didn’t know into what I was getting to” and that is what I want to make the OP aware of as I would fear that she may end up as everyone else at the meetings.

Where I tend to disagree is on the view that it is a disorder. While I do agree with what you say about ADD or ADHD, both of those are disorders. Bipolar is not, it is a disease and a comparison to a disorder gives it an unrealistic view. If she thinks somehow that there may be a similarity between ADD and bipolar she is going to crash against I wall. I did crash into a wall, my late ex husband was supposed to be under medical treatment, according to all psychiatrist he was “controlled” and he was a “good case” and I was listening saying “are you suggesting to me that he is controlled ?!?!?!?!” So that is why I wouldn’t want Luv to have the same unrealistic expectation I had.
I’m not sure about the distinction you are making. A disease is an acquired morbid change with a specific cause and characteristic symptoms. A disorder is a disturbance of structure or function that can be genetic, or acquired via the action of chemical substances, injury, or disease, or a combination of all the above. My impression is that bipolar disorder isn’t classified as a disease simply because it isn’t known what causes it, or even if the same thing is always at the root of it.

A disorder is not necessarily a mild condition compared to a disease and it is not necessarily a condition that can be “controlled” such that the characteristics of the syndrome are eliminated. Neither is a disorder something you can “work through” while a disease needs treatment. I did not mean to imply any of that, and it is worth making that clarification. Thank you!

The first time I wrote my last reply, I wrote “Yes, the person who starts a relationship with someone in this category had better realize that their beloved is probably never going to entirely stop dropping the ball in the way that people with bipolar issues tend to do, and count the cost” but I changed that to “Yes, the person who starts a relationship with someone in this category had better realize that their beloved is never going to entirely stop dropping the ball in the way that people with bipolar issues tend to do, and count the cost.” That “probably” had to go. Does that mean I give up all hope that people with bipolar can ever get help? No, because I don’t have a crystal ball that will tell me what will be possible when this mood disorder is better-understood. I mean that their spouse had better be ready for today’s reality, which is that this is a challenge that will not “go gentle into that good night” or even “go” at all. What tomorrow brings, who knows. From what I gather, though, today’s reality is that it is a battle that can at best be won a lot of days and survived on the other days, but not a battle that is going to end. It is worth it because of who you are fighting with, and because the field is more than a battlefield. (That’s not a great metaphor because a person is not a battle and the battle is not something “out there”, and my apologies for that insufficiency in it, but I hope you know what I mean.)

I am close to someone who is marriedto someone who is bipolar. He has gotten some treatment, but he is convinced (every day, always) that he is Mr. Exceptional, that the world ought to change its rules for him, that apples should not fall due to gravity from his tree because he is different, and there is no indication that he ever will change, or has ever wanted to. What he wants is for the consequences to stop, he thinks he has a right for them to stop, and that is never going to happen. She would never marry him again, because there are only days when the front is quiet and days when the battle rages. They don’t have any days where they win. She is going to have to divorce him, too, because they are in a burning building that he won’t leave and has never intended to leave. It’s very sad, because she would have stayed through the losses gladly, if only there was some chance of both of them ever being on the same side of the battle. It is very sad, and scary, too. 😦

It is not always that way, but I’ve only ever heard it be different when the bipolar person realizes that he is going to have to meet the world more than halfway…a lot more. In that case, it can be different.
 
I know that sometimes people don’t call and isn’t their mental issue but in this case we are talking about someone with a disease who makes him behave that way. I am not sure if you are realizing we are talking about a disease with very well defined symptoms. If you have chicken pox and you get an itchy blister, what are the odds that the itchy blister is not caused by the chicken pox? Sometimes people get itchy blister unrelated to chicken pox…but those people don’t have chicken pox. If you have chicken pox and you get an itchy blister you can be almost 100% sure the blister is produced by the chicken pox. Same situation here.
And yes no one failures spring from a song but I have very very close experience with bipolar disease and very well knowledge of it, and being in and out the next minute, saying yes one minute then no five minutes later, loving you one minute then hating you 15 minutes later, is a perfect description of the behavior of a bipolar person.
Well at any rate I left the ball in his court. Never heard back but really at this point I’ve kind of lost interest. I don’t hang on to things that’s an advantage to having ADHD it makes moving on a bit easier.
 
I’m not sure about the distinction you are making. A disease is an acquired morbid change with a specific cause and characteristic symptoms. A disorder is a disturbance of structure or function that can be genetic, or acquired via the action of chemical substances, injury, or disease, or a combination of all the above. My impression is that bipolar disorder isn’t classified as a disease simply because it isn’t known what causes it, or even if the same thing is always at the root of it.

I am close to someone who is marriedto someone who is bipolar. He has gotten some treatment, but he is convinced (every day, always) that he is Mr. Exceptional, that the world ought to change its rules for him, that apples should not fall due to gravity from his tree because he is different, and there is no indication that he ever will change, or has ever wanted to. What he wants is for the consequences to stop, he thinks he has a right for them to stop, and that is never going to happen. She would never marry him again, because there are only days when the front is quiet and days when the battle rages. They don’t have any days where they win. She is going to have to divorce him, too, because they are in a burning building that he won’t leave and has never intended to leave. It’s very sad, because she would have stayed through the losses gladly, if only there was some chance of both of them ever being on the same side of the battle. It is very sad, and scary, too. 😦
The person you describe above sounds similar to my late husband. I had to separate from him as towards the end he started becoming violent physically and we had a small child, then He found another girlfriend and we ended up divorcing, and shortly thereafter he got an overdose from the medication, the girlfriend practically had him mechanized. It is very sad so I totally can understand what your friend is going through. The saddest part, for me, is that I tried everything in my hands to help him and make it work but it was like a lost battle everytime. Sometimes I think that maybe if he wouldn’t have run off with the girlfriend maybe I could have been able to help and maybe he would be alive so I totally know how sad the entire situation can be.

And what causes bi-polar disease is that the brain stops producing certain chemicals that should be producing and starts producing certain things it shouldn’t produce hence the mood swings. What I think experts know for sure is why the brain starts producing these things and stops producing chemicals that are vital for the brain. What I mean by a disease is that, for example, bipolar disease can be seen through an MRI or a Cat Scan. You can actually see the areas of the brain that are “damaged” (or where is a lack and overproduction to be more clear) while if you have someone let’s say with ADD or any other disorder and do a Cat scan you won’t be able to know only by looking at the cat scan that the person has ADD. Also many people with bipolar have some kind of brain damage i.e. the talking fast is a result of brain damage in the area of communication so given that said symptom is a consequence of brain damage you can’t do anything to stop it. So that is what I am referring with disease some kind “damage” in the brain that causes it.

And luv glad to hear you are moving on easily, don’t dwell on it too much. Leave it to god is the best you can do.
 
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